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This thread probably won't get a lot of traction again until after the draft but I did come across this...

Browns had talks about Everson Griffen

Seems like that 2nd pass rusher was a priority target for Dorsey and Zeitler's name came up there as well.

I had been hoping that something like this would surface. If we have resources and some depth on roster, could we not use some players/ cap/ picks/future to go back into the first round?

How high do we jump or need to? At what price? Who is the "Gotta get this guy" worth what it may well cost?

I just have a hunch that Dorsey is done with his player for player FA; but I also feel he always has something cooking, waiting on the horizon. Value is its own reward.

It depends how far he's considering jumping. Per the trade value chart, jumping between 20 and 32 ranges from 850 points to 590 points.

I can't see it being any higher than that. Too expensive of a jump unless you're doing it for a quarterback.

We're sitting at 49 (410 points) and poised to be a playoff calibre team, so I'm thinking it'll be a future first on the line for a trade up.

Based on that, my gut feeling is that Dorsey is just making it clear he's willing to make a leap. Just in case someone inexplicably falls further than they should.

I also think it would have to be a high-value position such as linebacker, corner or tackle - unless Dorsey thinks he's seeing an all-pro.

Griffen gave up after his last contract. Much rather have Vernon at this point.

Trading back up is weird to me considering our "guys" have already said that trading away the 17th pick is like trading away a 2nd rd pick because they only have like 15 guys with a first round grade... Now all of sudden they want to trade back into the first? Nah. Not buying it.

I have 'heard' that as well, so I can't see us trading into the bottom half of the 1st round and it would be far too expensive to move into the top 15...

I could see it as a possibility for a great LB. Don't see it for a lineman. Not going to "steal" a CB. Certainly he is indicating open to listening. Just still have a hunch. In Dorsey I trust.

The more I see from the free agent safety market, the more it screams trading peppers for OBJ was shocking.

Especially when they just could have kept Landon Collins with the franchise tag for less than he got on the market.

I was just about to post this. If one of the guys we were going to take with that 1st pick drops, that's when we'll trade up. If not, then we might even trade down.

I saw some mock that had QBs going 1 & 2 overall and then I had the crazy idea of "what if Dorsey pulled off trading up to #3 and took Bosa?"

We’d be giving up our next three first round picks.

Just sayin. If there's one thing I hate, (well hundreds), it's the trade value chart.

Whoever wrote that was trying to disinform unsmart people, I think.

I say take that chart and wad it up into a cylinder and slide it down into a hole next to where stiller championship rings can go too.
way down.

If teams are motivated, all it takes is a little bit of what kind of things have been given out in the past, and putting a number value chart out that skews the advantage of being a little bit earlier wayy too much is like listening to the government tell you what foods taste good.

It's -- I don't like it.

Could be Dorsey pulling a Jedi mind trick trying to get teams in the bottom half of the first to think trading out is a good idea.

It's that time of year. The smokescreens can have smokescreens.

Of course, if they do trade up it will be because one of those "15" was still sitting there.

Good point. I'd forgot about those comments. It depends who wants to drop and who is there. This might also be the point in which the likes of Duke Johnson or Christian Kirksey come in to play.

Going into conspiracy theory mode, I'm thinking Dorsey is just wondering if Mayock will poop the bed. He's picking 24th and 27th. Jon Gruden just publicly stated his advice to Mike Mayock is "Don't mess up" because "It took a lot of slings to get you three first round picks."

I wonder if Dorsey is just putting feelers out in case Mayock's guys come flying off the board sooner than expected and he starts thinking trade down to take the pressure off his selections. We need only to go back to 2017 to see the pressure on Njoku and Peppers to perform. Since 2015, only two pro-bowlers have come in the 20-32 range.

I think the more likely trade is actually moving into the second.

Philly have been heavily tied to Duke Johnson in a potential trade. Talk is that Dorsey wants a 3rd but they won't budge. Clever, because they don't have a 3rd to give - they do have 2x second round selections and 2x fourth round selections.

If 49 is worth 410 and 25 is worth 720, how much they value Duke Johnson might get Dorsey back in the first but I'm not seeing that. Still too much value difference for, as you say, a draft Dorsey doesn't think is loaded in the back end of the first.

Dorsey, however, might just be trying to move from 80 to Philly's later 2nd round selection at 57. That's a difference of 190 to 330 - a points difference in which Johnson would be equivalent to a late 3rd round value.

I don't think Dorsey doesn't value this draft, however. I think he just can see a lot of players with 2nd round value. He's got three 5th round selections and several players who could help him get that value.

I agree with Bard. Linebacker would have to be a clear target in any move up. Kirksey and Schobert are questionable. Talented, but questionable. Particularly Kirksey at almost $10M per year.

Devin Bush and Mack Wilson are two guys tipped to be around in the late first range. Both are undersized, ultra-athletic linebackers with great blitz and coverage abilities. Could be the move.

Mack Wilson could be avalible @ pick 80, let alone @49.

I was just going by NFL.com's grade and recent mock.

I should note, I'm really poorly informed on this draft. I've not been keeping up at all, thus my lack of posting, and I'm not even confident in who'll go in the first round.

I think this is the first offseason in my lifetime (28 years old) in which I've just sat back and enjoyed this damn team rather than desperately trying to fix them from my armchair of impactlessness.

Normally I'm pouring through as many prospects as possible. This year, I've watched this about ten times and re-watched Browns games + Mayfield/Chubb/Garrett/etc highlights so many times I know the words to some AWFUL rap music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTdJU0Z7qfc

Apologies. Ignore anything I say about prospects until the draft unless I'm actually backing it up with something lmao.

Sure is an unusual experience, isn't it?
Lots of Dawgs are feeling the disorientation this year.

I would love to see Morris Claiborne on a 2 year front loaded deal.

Same with Zach Brown.

Suh still out there.

Stash Corey Luiget on PUP for a while?



also lol Jamie Collins still not signed.

He wasn't overpaid, but Landry is.

j/c

BREAKING: The Seattle Seahawks are trading DE Frank Clark to The Kansas City Chiefs in exchange for a 2019 first-round pick, a 2020 second-round pick and a swap of mid-round picks. (via Ian Rapoport)

If Frank Clark is worth that much, how much is Myles Garrett worth? We should definitely try to trade him for as much as possible.































(Joke.)

I see the kicker for the 49ers has cut off talks and wants out of San Francisco. Gould...think we would have interest?

If there is little compensation, yes. He's still franchise tagged so we can't just offer him a contract. It'd have to be a trade. Robbie Gould is one of the best.

The Cleveland Browns have signed WR Ishmael Hyman. He participated in the team’s minicamp this week on a tryout basis.

Hyman is 6-0, 196 pounds and officially in his first NFL season out of James Madison. Hyman helped JMU capture the 2016 FCS National Championship, while recording 29 receptions for 408 yards and four touchdowns as a senior. Most recently, Hyman was a member of the Orlando Apollos of the Alliance of American Football league. He is a native of Manalapan, N.J.

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/bro...medium=referral

Good luck young man.

Carpe Diem!

He has an opportunity in the NFL. That's all he can ask for. He might be just a TC body, but he could be more than that.

Dorsey's been nailing it, in terms of evaluating talent, so there must be something to this kid.

Rumors were we were floating Callaway to the Chiefs last night ... I wonder if we target a WR to sign/draft if there's a move

Hmmm, not sure I am board with that. I like Callaway as a deep threat.

I'd have to think with the Tyreek Hill developments, the Chiefs initiated this with the Browns. He fits the mold of Hill, but perhaps not as fast.

I wouldn't do this... I wouldn't even want Hill to come here.

That makes sense, KC initiating it.

Yeah, not saying I'd do it either, just that I heard itI heard it

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