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For the record, both were on his rookie contract. He deserved a massive raise from the rookie deal. And since he's pretty much carried the team on his back. I agree they'd be ignorant to let him get away, but on the flip side I think they're ignorant to give him 16+% of the cap.

What do you think Rodger's percentage of the Cap is for GB? Cousins, Ryan's, etc.

It's the going rate for a Franchise QB. Baker will be the same 4 years from now.

The owners don't have to pay them that much money. They choose to.

If you have an above average QB you can sell your fan base hope. If you have no QB you know you will be bad (unless you have a historic defense).

The problem is not paying QBs too much money. The best ones are worth it because they keep their teams in playoff contention no matter what. The problem is that teams are paying the wrong QBs because of misevaluation. Players like Joe Flacco, Derek Carr, and Matthew Stafford get huge contracts because their teams are afraid of going back into the QB wilderness.

If your QB can assist in his own protection, (moving in the pocket, escaping pressure, getting the ball out quickly, etc) then an average pass blocking line suddenly becomes a very good OL.

Your QB is only going to be a bargain once, if he's any good. Hopefully you are also working on making wise choices in the draft as his career progresses, so you can keep the talent train coming. A team needs to find the value players. (like maybe a 4th round Callaway, a 5th round Avery, or a 2nd round Chubb, or a 3rd round Ogunjobi) If you keep adding 3-5 drafted players who can contribute from each draft, you keep the cycle churning. Then you can also value shop for players who struck out elsewhere, but who might fit here (like Robinson, Perriman, Fells, and Charles) Sure these might be one year solutions, but the Pats always seem to have a bunch of "one year solutions" on their team, patched in among their own drafted players, and some carefully acquired players, obtained either by trade or free agency.

Every team is on the same boat. They all want that great QB, even knowing that they have to "overpay" for him. They have to carefully construct their team to manage the increased cap hit from a star QB.

Scroll up and read BDU's post. What have these guy's teams done since they signed their contracts?

I guess it comes down to this - do you want butts in the seats and a good team or championships? Last 10 years NO team with a QB with more than 12.4% of the cap has made the Superbowl. None.

You are taking my post out of context. I responded to a poster who said something like let's see if they improve from 10 and 6 and a first round exit in the playoffs. That has not always been the case. That was the point I was making.

Russell Wilson is very underrated. Take him off that team and they are drafting in the top 5.

I was listening to some reporters, including a former NFL qb, talking about which qbs would you want long-term. That eliminated guys like Brady, Brees, Rivers, Ben, and even Rodgers.

They all said Mahomes. There was a disagreement over Luck and Wilson being second and the other third. That put him ahead of guys like Wentz, Baker, Ryan, Stafford, Goff, etc.

Like I said earlier, I think a lot of casual fans underestimate just how good Wilson is.

You may not think it's credible, but I disagree. The league that generates the most revenue is paying it's players the least.

Having the highest revenue isn't because people enjoy watching the owners. They love watching the players on the field. The NFL players have been getting screwed over by the owners forever. These guys are not just regular employees. They are elite entertainers and deserve to be compensated as such. If one position is taking up too large of a percentage of the cap.......get rid of the hard cap.

My bad. I agree with everything you said - and I hope I never came across as saying he's not good. He's a heck of a player. For me, the choice between Luck and Wilson would all depend on the rest of the team and coaching staff. I just think QB payrolls are absurd, at the expense of the rest of the team (potentially).

I'll try one last time. If the cap was 1 billion dollars - QB salaries are disproportionate and have a negative effect on the rest of the roster. If the owners sold everything they owned, worked at Chic-fil-a, and gave all the money to the team... QB salaries would still be disproportionate and have a negative effect on the rest of the roster. Has nothing to do with how much the league makes, how much the owners make, or even how much the players make for that matter.

It’s almost like QBs are disproportionately more valuable than the other players on the roster.

For a team that has had a junk QB for 20 years, I would gladly have paid 200 millions for a HOF Qb in any of the previous season pre-baker.

My point of contention has always been that it's EASIER to build star-studded roster when your quarterback is on his rookie deal.

After his initial contract, you then need to be creative with building your team. Even though Brady took less money than he could have, the Patriots are very good at this... They could pay Brady more and still win.

With your QB on a rookie deal, you can sign high priced talent to the point of overpaying, and have a great chance to win. That's what we're doing. I think our team could and should look drastically different in a few years with one remaining constant, Baker Mayfield.

I would add Myles as that constant as well.

I would too... and I'd hope Ward is right there with them... I also think OBJ should be there as well... as for the rest of the team... all expendable.

I would say Ward, but I have to see him stay healthy consistently before I do that.

And if the contract restructuring rumors are true about Odell, I'm guessing he would be included as well. But that's three power contracts. That can be tough.

The cap is only going up (maybe significantly more soon) and team’s know how to fudge cap numbers better than ever. I am 0% worried about keeping our players.

Oh but it does. The owners are the one's who wanted a hard salary cap based on income. They set up the very rules that created the situation you describe. They didn't have to do that, they chose to.

That was the point of my prior post. It's the owners who created the situation that you seem to say they should get themselves out of. The players settled for for the cap in order to at least get a fair share of the profits and even then we see teams, just like the Browns, who have spent well under the cap for many years. The players still aren't getting the proper cuts of the profits from teams that pay well below the cap. The owners once again are favored in this deal. So it's not the players who created this situation. It's the owners. And now your proposition seems to indicate that the most important, elite, needed position in the game should be regulated in pay for a situation the owners created.

agreed.

The concussions are a concern.

What about that weird announcement he posted on instagram? Facebook? Twitter?

He and his woman in bed giggling as he slurs his words...Hey, Seattle I'm coming back...

I dont give a crap what he does!

If it aint Orange and Brown it DOESN'T MATTER!!

That would be 144m ... So you where in the neighborhood.

So once we turn the NFL into Venezeula, what exactly does that make Bill B. and the Patriots?

Are they Switzerland or Hong Kong?

I can't take credit for it - it was some sportswriter. I just figured it'd be more than Rodgers got.

So...they had to trade their best defensive player because they couldn't afford to pay him. The picks in return will be nice as long as at least one of them turns out to be a massive stud player. If not, then they made my point for me.

They didn't trade their best defensive player.

And they got the better of KC in this entire scenario.

I can just see the people trashing Baker when his time comes. It's inevitable the salaries are going to go up. When you have one of the best, he's going to get paid.

Fair, 2nd best behind Wagner.

We can revisit this conversation in a couple years - KC probably gave up too much, but I'll have to see how the 2 draft picks turn out before I can say Seattle did better.

The sad reality is in todays NFL U have to pay your top end QB’s what they command ... Wilson is at least a top 5 - 10 QB and was paid as a top QB as he should have been ....

This was a no brainer on Seattle’s part ... having a QB of his caliber is a must in today’s game ... without one your swimming up stream against a major ass current ...

I would fully expect when the time comes Baker will become the highest paid QB in the NFL.

True that.