You going after folks that work in grocery stores next? Maybe warehousemen in furniture stores? How low will you go?
I think the one's who are really going after them are the people who think they shouldn't make a living wage when they work 40 hours a week. I mean heaven forbid these people be able to pay their rent and buy groceries. And hell should freeze over before they are guaranteed healthcare, right?
It's funny watching people who consistently vote against those people's interests blame the other side.
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You going after folks that work in grocery stores next? Maybe warehousemen in furniture stores? How low will you go?
I think the one's who are really going after them are the people who think they shouldn't make a living wage when they work 40 hours a week. I mean heaven forbid these people be able to pay their rent and buy groceries. And hell should freeze over before they are guaranteed healthcare, right?
It's funny watching people who consistently vote against those people's interests blame the other side.
People who are against a living wage, an increase in the minimum wage and that every American should have healthcare. And the people who support candidates who share those views.
You can't claim you're not attacking people who work at lower wage jobs when you support the very people that are preventing these people from making a decent living and being able to have healthcare.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
People who are against a living wage, an increase in the minimum wage and that every American should have healthcare. And the people who support candidates who share those views.
You can't claim you're not attacking people who work at lower wage jobs when you support the very people that are preventing these people from making a decent living and being able to have healthcare.
Who is against people having healthcare or a living wage?
Just because we believe in the free market and that healthcare is a service and that the free market should determine what a owner pays his/her employees does not mean we are against anything.
Sorry, y'all lost me on this argument a few months back when the story came out about the single mom with 2 kids who couldn't survive on a mere $80,000 a year... and those who sympathized with her that it just wasn't enough to live...
Plus, nobody on the "living wage" side of the argument has EVER offered up what that should be...
If I hire a 24 year old single kid to do a job for the company, how much should I be forced to pay that person? Let's say the market for this person's skill would say I should pay them $45K/year.... At a minimum, I'm assuming you would tell me that I need to pay them enough to live on and cover all of those expenses you mentioned, right? Is $45K/year enough?
Now if a month later I hire a 24 year old single mother with 2 kids and no other means of support to do a similar job, am I obligated to pay her $65K because obviously her expenses are significantly greater? She has day care, diapers, increased grocery expenses, needs a bigger and more reliable vehicle, childrens clothes, car seats, a bigger apartment, medical expenses..
So tell me Pit, before I make another single post in the ridiculous "living wage" debate... tell me how to handle this. What should companies like mine and every other one across the nation be forced to do to make this right?
When you sit back and let the business world set the standard while depriving working people a living wage, you've made an obvious choice. The outcome is as obvious as the nose on your face.
This is based on where they live. On the actual costs to live there. Maybe you can explain the math?
I know the banker couldn't figure the math out.
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how many single moms with 2 kids that you know are making 80k a year?
must be that 300k housing division you live in. what a struggle.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Sorry, y'all lost me on this argument a few months back when the story came out about the single mom with 2 kids who couldn't survive on a mere $80,000 a year... and those who sympathized with her that it just wasn't enough to live...
I'm not sure who "ya'll" are. It sounds like you're lumping everyone into the same group. You know, like you seem to object to when people see things that way in regards to Republicans. See, I understand you're a moderate Republican. I don't see you as a part of "ya'll" when I speak about Trumpians.
I think a living wage should be dependent on the cost of living in the area where you live. Please take a look at the youtube video I posted above as what I see as unreasonable.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
how many single moms with 2 kids that you know are making 80k a year?
must be that 300k housing division you live in. what a struggle.
Personally I don't know any.. I was referencing an article that was posted on here a while back about teachers salaries and one of the women interviewed said she was having trouble surviving as a single mom with 2 teenage kids and she was making $80K a year.. I didn't make it up.. I don't remember specifically where she lived but I do remember it wasn't an area like NYC or DC or some other really high rent city...
i dont remember the article (though im sure i posted in that thread cause of course i did), but the fact that anybody lost you in the argument based on one situation is a bit odd coming from you, especially when im sure you're well aware that tons of single moms in this country are struggling like crazy.
im sure there are moms who've made it work, but come on man.....
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I think a living wage should be dependent on the cost of living in the area where you live. Please take a look at the youtube video I posted above as what I see as unreasonable.
I watched the video the last time you posted it.... Cost of living in any given area is irrelevant to my example.. I'm comparing two people doing the same job with completely different life situations and asking what I should be forced to do about it.. A single person with no kids or a person with a working spouse might be making the exact same amount of money as the person she is talking about and might be doing just fine..
But... for the sake of argument, let's say that $45K/year salary will comfortably afford the single person with a decent one BR apartment, a decent car, insurance, cable, utilities, food and everything required to live a safe and comfortable lifestyle... blahblahblah.. so let's establish $20/hour as the baseline for what a single person can live on comfortably in my area... that works out to $41,600/year.. So can we say that $20/hour is a "living wage"?
If so, what do I do about the single mom with two kids or the married man with 3 kids and a wife who doesn't work? How much do I have to pay them to do the same job, because that $20/hour is going to be totally inadequate to allow them to make ends meet...
I need you to help me figure this out because I'm in the process of hiring right now and I need to know... but keep in mind, when I'm interviewing somebody, I'm not allowed to ask them if they are married or have kids or where they live or if they are in debt, etc...
We're looking at this from two different angles. I most certainly do believe that the cost of living should be a huge variable in what a living wage is constituted to be in a given area.
Rent in Los Angeles, the cost of food and fuel are all vastly higher than they would be in Toledo Ohio. Those are direct factors of what it costs to live in each area.
And while I think you're being a bit snarky, you are right in that there is a no one size fits all as it pertains to a total solution for everyone. You will have variables as it relates to the amount of dependents an employee has. A living wage standard will not fix everything. It will not be the answer for everyone. But it will certainly make life better for millions of Americans.
I mean we can sit back and show how it won't solve everyone's problems as an excuse to do nothing, or we can see it as a great step to improve the life of millions of Americans. I mean even if you have to stuff three kids in a one bedroom apartment, that's better than no apartment..
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
We're looking at this from two different angles. I most certainly do believe that the cost of living should be a huge variable in what a living wage is constituted to be in a given area.
My example assumes that a cost of living baseline was established for an area for a single person with no kids...
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And while I think you're being a bit snarky, you are right in that there is a no one size fits all as it pertains to a total solution for everyone. You will have variables as it relates to the amount of dependents an employee has. A living wage standard will not fix everything. It will not be the answer for everyone. But it will certainly make life better for millions of Americans.
I'm not being snarky.. I'm sick of every "living wage" argument starting with.. "A single mom with 3 kids and no other support can't live on $XX, the company should be forced to pay her a 'liveable wage'"
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I mean we can sit back and show how it won't solve everyone's problems as an excuse to do nothing, or we can see it as a great step to improve the life of millions of Americans.
I still want somebody to explain to me what "it" is...
DC, end of the day though, you can't argue that people not earning a living wage is the core of the middle class dying and income inequality problem in the US.
A stable attainable middle class life is what built America and will keep her going. If we don't protect and rebuild a strong middle class we are on a fast track to economic collapse and the end of our democracy.
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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
My example assumes that a cost of living baseline was established for an area for a single person with no kids...
My theory should be we use the national standard for the average person working below the poverty level. If that works out to one child, or 1.3 children, then so be it.
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I'm not being snarky.. I'm sick of every "living wage" argument starting with.. "A single mom with 3 kids and no other support can't live on $XX, the company should be forced to pay her a 'liveable wage'"
Yet that has been no part of our discussion.
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I still want somebody to explain to me what "it" is...
If the first time man attempted flight they simply gave up, we wouldn't have jet airplanes.
"It" is coming to some consensus as to what a living wage is. "It' is someone admitting that even if it isn't a perfect solution, the working poor would be much better off if they had much higher wages.
"It" is NOT freezing the minimum wage for a decade. It is NOT allowing things to move in a positive direction because "it" isn't explained well enough.
Since you seem to be confused as to what "it" means, what does "it" mean to you? What should the minimum wage actually be? What do you think a fair living wage should be?
I do see this all of the time though. The new green deal is a pretty foolish with its goals and costs. It's a process you simply can't achieve in 10 years. But where is a plan to clean up the planet from the Republicans?
Healthcare? The Republicans spend lots of time picking medicare for all apart. They sight costs that are often times unsubstantiated and call it socialism. They work very hard to discredit it. But where is their proposal for healthcare in America? Trump said it was ready and would be unveiled within 100 days after he was elected. Now he says it will be unveiled after the 2020 election. We hear crickets from the rest of the Republican leadership on any concrete healthcare plan.
Taxing corporations. We watch a tax system that has provisions that allow profitable billion dollar corporations use existing loopholes from paying any income taxes at all in some cases. The Republicans scream that the left wishes to punish the rich. But where is their plan how these corporations should pay a fair amount of taxes into the system?
See it's easy to sit back and cherry pick why you disagree with something. It's easy to say, "well answer me this". What's much harder is to come up with your own ideas. It's much harder to make your own plans.
To negotiate and find any middle ground first both sides need to have a plan with which to start those negotiations. So far I've seen every reason in the world why we shouldn't do something, but no plan for what we should do instead.
I hear the democrats don't have a plan. They have plans but many don't seem to like them. In many cases I don't blame them. But where is their plan?
Where is the Republican plans to address wages, healthcare and corporate taxes? So far all I've seen are their plans to say they either shouldn't be addressed or no plan at all to address them.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I need you to help me figure this out because I'm in the process of hiring right now and I need to know... but keep in mind, when I'm interviewing somebody, I'm not allowed to ask them if they are married or have kids or where they live or if they are in debt, etc.
You are allowed to do a credit check and a criminal background check. And why would you need to ask? You know if all things were equal. But we all know they aren’t.
Yeah it’s an assumption, but you’ll probably pay the women and minorities less than the white men you hire for the same job anyways.
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A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives. – Jackie Robinson
As Trump soars higher, Dems reach their lowest point yet
Predicting what history will decide was significant is always dicey. But in the context of our fractured nation and the nonstop Washington tumult since 2016, events in the last three weeks have been nothing short of remarkable.
Against an enormous army of antagonists, political and cultural, academic and judicial, Donald Trump is enjoying some of the best days of his presidency. His power and popularity are expanding.
Meanwhile, Democrats and the left, including the media, have suffered one crushing blow after another. Their recent confidence that Trump was not long for the Oval Office is suddenly morphing into a panic that he could win a second term.
The worm began turning on the afternoon of Sunday, March 24, when Attorney General William Barr released his letter summarizing the findings of special counsel Robert Mueller. There was no collusion with Russia, Mueller found, and no obstruction of justice, Barr determined.
The momentous victory for Trump vindicated his claims of innocence. The fog of accusations that he was an illegitimate president was destroyed by a news flash that left no room for ambiguity.
To grasp the significance, imagine the consequences if the report found he was probably guilty of one or both charges.
The left would have erupted in orgasmic joy. We would be discussing articles of impeachment and Republicans would have fallen in line. There would have been worldwide implications as America turned inward to face its crisis.
Yet it is now apparent that Mueller’s report, as great as it was for Trump, was just the start of a dramatic turnaround in the fortunes of both the president and his tormentors. The bookend, at least so far, came last week with Barr’s stunning comment that “spying did occur” on Trump’s 2016 campaign and that Barr was obligated to review “the conduct of the investigation.”
“Spying on a political campaign is a big deal,” Barr said matter-of-factly.
Heart be still. Barr’s promise touches on the holy grail for those of us who believe there was an outrageous abuse of government power to try to tip the election to Hillary Clinton and then to topple Trump.
If Barr keeps his word, the sunlight of transparency soon will shine on the rancid corruption of the Justice Department, the FBI and the intelligence agencies under Barack Obama.
Turning the tables on the conspirators is absolutely necessary to hold accountable those who tried to rig the election. That accountability, if it is seen as honest and evenhanded, will prevent a repeat and begin to restore public trust.
William Barr: 'I think spying did occur' against Trump campaign Among the obvious questions that must be addressed are these: How did the unprecedented FBI probe of a presidential candidate get started if the allegations were instigated and paid for by the opposition? Who leaked scores of misleading investigative tidbits to the media in ways that suggested Trump’s guilt was all but certain?
It’s no exaggeration to say that Barr’s promise to investigate the investigators sets the stage for fundamentally changing the narrative from the one the media fed the nation for two years.
Even at this early stage, Trump looks stronger than ever and Dems are mad with frustration.
Many are furious with Barr, with some hysterics saying they want to remove him from office, as if somebody must be impeached. CNN, NBC and others are accusing Barr of doing Trump’s “dirty work” by daring to use the “spy” word, as if straight talk is too much for their tender sensibilities.
They are so in the tank against Trump that they denounce the search for truth because the truth might favor the president.
Those with the most skin in the game are the most at risk, starting with Jim “The Snake” Comey. The former FBI director, whose conduct makes J. Edgar Hoover look like a choirboy, claims he is confused, saying “I have no idea” what Barr is talking about.
James Clapper and John Brennan, the intelligence chiefs under Obama who came out of the closet as naked partisans, added their two cents of shock. “Stunning and scary,” Clapper said of Barr’s plans, and Brennan accused Barr of sounding like a “personal lawyer” for Trump.
Translation: we better lawyer up.
Meanwhile, Mueller, the would-be savior, is now a nobody, an afterthought in the Dems’ river of rage.
Benjamin Netanyahu's rival party concedes Israeli election Other recent developments also favored Trump. The economy continues to roar and the crisis on the border that Dems said didn’t exist clearly does, with illegal crossers numbering more than 100,000 a month — and those are just the ones apprehended.
Trump is at least searching for solutions while Dems have closed their eyes and ears to a security and humanitarian nightmare, as if it is just an inconvenient distraction.
Trump was also a winner in the Israeli election, with his support of Bibi Netanyahu helping to lift the prime minister to victory.
While there is personal satisfaction for both men, the greater truth is that stability in Israeli politics removes any Palestinian fantasy that a dovish new prime minister would return to the lifeless land-for-peace formula. Arabs — and Iran — can either deal with Trump and Netanyahu, or waste more time and lives weaving their dream palaces.
Democrats, in reaction to the Trump-Netanyahu alliance, continued to move away from Israel. All the 2020 candidates skipped the AIPAC conference and Beto O’Rourke called Netanyahu a “racist.”
Finally, Rep. Ilhan Omar is proving to be a one-woman wrecking crew for the party as well as for the image of all American Muslims. On top of her anti-Semitism, Omar’s dismissive description of 9/11 as “some people did something” marks her as a heartless ingrate to the nation that rescued her family from civil war and possibly death at the hands of other Muslims.
The only question is whether party leaders will have the courage to stand up against her. Sen. Chuck Schumer and Speaker Nancy Pelosi are usually camera hogs, but ducked questions about Omar’s 9/11 reference and her claim that criticisms of her are anti-Muslim.
They did, however, find time to criticize Barr’s plan to investigate the investigators, thus proving again that Democrats have the leaders they deserve.
Taking Idiot at his word The scores of sordid criminal charges against Michael Avenatti wouldn’t be news if the media hadn’t turned him into a weapon against Trump. He appeared on CNN and MSNBC nearly 200 times to push his Stormy Daniels case — and to launch his presidential hopes.
Did anybody at those networks vet the guy? Did they ask former clients if he was honest?
Of course not. He was their useful idiot until he was no longer useful.
Warning ‘label’ Reader Evilio Herrera is fed up with Schools Chancellor Richard Carranza, writing: “I’m tired of his ‘racist’ labeling. The man obviously has a complex. As a Latino American myself, the race card game has gotten old.”
‘Bandwagon’ stuck in park A headline in The New Yorker says Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand’s 2020 campaign has “stalled.”
Barr just proved he's another Trump stooge yesterday. Mueller's report shows exactly how slimy Trump is and how out of control he is... What a weak ass, scumbag POTUS.
Last edited by OldColdDawg; 04/19/1908:05 AM.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
US economy grows by 3.2% in the first quarter, topping expectations
-First-quarter gross domestic product expanded by 3.2%, the Bureau of Economic Analysis said in its initial read of the economy for that period. -Economists polled by Dow Jones expected the U.S. economy increased by 2.5% in the first quarter. -Gross domestic product for the first quarter was the best start to a year since 2015.
Rich getting richer. I see these reports and wonder how 49% of the country has less than $400 for emergencies 'cause we are doing SO GREAT. Whatever... Two economies and lies...
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
If you had a 401K plan or a Union Pension, you would be thrilled with the growth of that plan and the new strength of that pension. That is the Middle Class right there!
But you just hate Trump and would cut your nose off to spite your own face.
I didn't know having the lowest poll numbers you've had since you were elected means you're soaring higher. But whatever alternate universe you live in is fine by me.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Let's see how many peope can understand what you posted. It doesn't say what the polls predicted or how close they were to the margin of error. You do realize what the margin of error means, right?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Let's see how many peope can understand what you posted. It doesn't say what the polls predicted or how close they were to the margin of error. You do realize what the margin of error means, right?
Google is your friend if you want all the data. Me, I already know Trump won and is soaring.
3.2 percent growth. Low inflation. Lowest unemployment for Minorities. Lowest unemployment for Women. Stock Market hitting record highs. No Collusion. Media hanging their heads in shame. Hillary home, watching soaps with Eve.
No, they didn't. Actually most all of them had the election withing the margin or error. Facts are not your friend are they?
You complain about Trump lying while you do it all the time.
MORE FAKE NEWS. Pit always tells it like it is even when we disagree I can say he talks in truths. Much more than I would ever say for you.
DC, Pit, Swish, Clem and a handful of others always bring the truth with facts to back it up. Now sometimes we can disagree what those facts mean, but we agree they are the facts. They don't live in some mental episode of the twilight alt-right zone like many posters do.
Last edited by OldColdDawg; 04/26/1908:29 PM.
Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
Do you remember when Obama was president, I was catching heat from conservatives and telling them that were a serviced based economy and such? Guys like GM were mad going “well, we need shovel ready jobs!!”
Now 40 is touting services based jobs while we continue losing manufacturing jobs, yet somehow it’s cool under trump, but they slammed Obama for the same type of job growth.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Do you remember when Obama was president, I was catching heat from conservatives and telling them that were a serviced based economy and such? Guys like GM were mad going “well, we need shovel ready jobs!!”
Now 40 is touting services based jobs while we continue losing manufacturing jobs, yet somehow it’s cool under trump, but they slammed Obama for the same type of job growth.
Manufacturers Added 6 Times More Jobs Under Trump Than Under Obama's Last 2 Years
