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I personally don't think a centrist moderate dem will beat Trump. I think he will destroy Biden and Pete. Not that they are bad candidates, but he will feed red meat to the howlers and defame the hell out of them.

That's his MO. He'll do that no matter who he runs against. Hell, he did that to members of his own party.

WOOHOO it's been a while but we agree again

So it's more important to replace radical right with radical left than try to find somebody a little less radical?

I didn't say that, you did. I said I don't think a centrist can win.

Fair enough.

You'd be wrong, and the DNC agrees with me.

She said the DNC!

Yet he and his wife were regarding falsified loans to her school...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-and-...d-hire-lawyers/

Where are most of these giant corporations located? Mainstay cities, no? Who typically runs cities, politically? The left.

So, the left, who rallies against giving big business these tax breaks, are lining up to give these corporations tax breaks, and are doing so. Do as I say not as I do I guess.

Smear from June 2017... boy that really went somewhere and took him down. Please stop trying to justify your vote.

Most cities are run by the left... where the heck do you get this stuff? Is there poop on it when you pull it out and use it? I know you are smarter than you are acting right now.

No, Lets see....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_the_50_largest_cities_in_the_United_States

The biggest most diverse cities is your measuring stick? Even all on that list were not Dem run, and when you go to smaller towns I'm sure it's lopsided the other way... so your fake facts fall flat.

Your trying to parse words. The topic is cities were corporations have their business and HQ's. Those are most major metropolitan cities, are they not? My statement rings true. Your party is once again, they hypocritical stepchild jealous of its brother.

My bad, missed the HQs part. But the rest of your assumptions still fall well short of being factfull. You are having a defend/justify my vote moment I think. But I understand. That happens to good people when they realize they helped screw the country.

Not at all. I don't need to defend or justify my vote.

I am pointing out the FACT that the left rallies against giving big business tax breaks. You know they do, if you deny that - then, well....we know what that says about you.

So they rallie against giving companies tax breaks, yet its DEM controlled major cities where these corporations are operating, who are giving them the tax breaks to come there.

Peduto here in Pittsburgh SCREAMS about inequality and tax breaks for the rich and corporations, yet UPMC hasn't paid taxes in YEARS, and he offered BILLIONS to Amazon to come here.

https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/wh...ealed/873326976

"Gov Tom Wolf's administration revealed Tuesday that it made an offer valued at up to $4.6 billion over 25 years in taxpayer-paidincentives to Amazon."

Wolf is a Democrat.

I can see that hypocrisy on a local level where leaders are competing for jobs for their populations. Isn't it sad that we live in a world where that is even a thing?

But this is apples and oranges. Tax incentive to locate your HQ in one place or another is not equal to raking in billions in profits and paying ZERO income tax.

Pittsburgh is a major US city, and Wolf is the governor of the state, that a little more than local. Nice try to play it off though.....

Was editing when you posted. Read the edit. And I never even paid attention to your link, sorry. I just responded to the gist of what you were trying to say, still having coffee...

Fair enough...

But you saying "they rake in billions of profits and pay 0 taxes" but its the dems over and over again giving and offering them the billions. lol.

Sorry man, you sound like your trying to scramble and make an excuse for your party.

BOTH sides want the business there, and BOTH sides don't care if they pay taxes or not.

Whats worse, giving them a TAX BREAK or LOWER TAX incentive, or literally giving them TAX PAYER funded incentives? To me, that's the same thing my man. At least the right doesn't hide it -

The goper’s standard line here. “Both sides suck” Cop out

You seem to wish to make everything a right/left thing. You must have missed where I said it was the system that has been set up this way. That system has existed through both Republicans and Democrats.

I know you have to break everything down that way though.

Well see, the headquaters are where a corporations high paying jobs are.

Most of the lower level, lower paying jobs get their tax breaks from smaller, more often Republican ran communities.

Since willit seems to wish to make a bad system a political game here.

I have never felt the Bern... never will...

It is the same lefty hippie shtick from the 60’s....

Now elements are true, but it is laughable as a whole.

Best post on this board in a while.

The SYSTEM you speak of is to attract jobs to cities. You give the GIANTS tax breaks because of the volume of jobs and pay scale those jobs will bring to that city. Along with the spin off to the local economy. It's business sense not politics.

John D Rockefeller said,'I'd rather make 1% off of 100 than 100% off of 1' ...that's the system for giving corps large tax breaks

If tax abatements were illegal, the jobs would still go somewhere. Amazon can't give two day delivery by building fulfillment centers in China.

What you're talking about is cities bidding against each other to see who will give these corporations the most corporate welfare.

Bernie is also part of the 1%.

Hardly. He's recently a millionaire, yes. He's also stayed true to his values and fought for the little guy his whole life. But feel free to spread your Trumpian propaganda comrade.

[quote=tastybrownies]Bernie is also part of the 1%. [/quote

Now he is, but are you saying a man can't write a best seller and make money? Is that a bad thing? and you know what he hasn't done? He hasn't abandoned his beliefs just because he's suddenly got some money for the first time in his life..

I'd love to see the actual quote and context of what he said rather than some vague tweet that tells us nothing.

And as such is actually running on the premise that he himself pay more taxes. That's called practicing what you preach.

I have read many of your posts and pardon the hell out of me but for me its about ideas that I think will make my life better.

At the end of the day everyone gets to decide for themselves as it should be. For me its about what will help ME and my family the most, and who will fight tooth and nail for ME.

I think that is what will carry this election or I hope and pray it does.

I don't see the old guard Left as being my friend, sorry I just don't want to go back to what it was, I want better, don't you?

If what we're seeing now is what you consider better to be, then no.

sounds like a great quote on twitter. in real life practice, its stupid.

what if whats better for you is completely terrible for every one else?

It was in the article...and he's 100% correct.

Left out the bit where he said he like and respects Bernie and his history.

I'd choose Bernie's brand of socialism over Trump's brand of fascism every day all day for the rest of my life.