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I'm going to see it tonight with the wife and kid. It's a 6:15 pm showing, so we won't get home too late even though it's a 3+ hour movie.

Anyone else going tonight or this weekend? Excited?

I don't know anything in terms of spoilers. I've been keeping my distance away from social media today.

What are you talking about?

My kids are going tomorrow. They are all geeked up.

I'm seeing it at 11 tomorrow. I've had a movie gift card for years, so I used it.

Im not usually into comic movies, but I saw the previous one on IMAX and it was amazing. That was my first time watching an IMAX movie.

So, I was thinking about seeing this one.

But 3+ hours? That seems a bit ridic. I dont have the attention span for that.

I watched it last night (this being after 3 AM) Generally, I liked it, still processing the outcomes.

I don't get excited about cartoon characters.

Going Saturday morning

Solid 4/5 for me. There’s no way it was going to be as good or better than IW.

Great movie... very funny... loved the ties to the older movies... really want to go see it again

I don't mean to come across as mean spirited but can someone explain the fascination with these cartoon\comic book movies to me?

They're just not appealing at all to me. Reminds me a movie for kids instead of adults. Is it always the same thing? How do they save the world this time? Do the characters ever die? Does something unexpected happen and is there ever a risk taken with the script? The stories seem recycled with a lot of CGI instead of practical effects. There's no thinking effort, serious or artistic visions in my opinion.

I normally like to watch movies that are based on real life situations or "could" happen though. I mean sometimes you have to suspend your belief some but not to that level.

I thought the movie was awesome. It looked amazing and did a good job of wrapping up the story line.

I guess the fascination for these movies, for me, is seeing characters that I grew up reading about, come to the screen. I loved super hero comics as a kid, but I thought you would never see them in movies the way I imagined them, but with the CGI today it looks good.

But you know not all movies are for everyone. Personally, I hate rom-coms, I don't understand why anyone would watch that stuff, but to each his/her own.

As Spawn1 said, different strokes... The Marvel movies have been, by and large, action adventures of the highest quality. Many people grew up following the adventures of these characters. The quality of the stories have vastly improved over the decades. The stories are adult (not porno) themed and often explore complex moral dilemmas. These are NOT cartoons, and comic books of the 60's have evolved into graphic novels of today, much more complex.

Yes, the plots are predictable and often campy, and yes they are fantastical. But they offer enough suspense, twists, and humor to keep things interesting. But the draw is the action. The last 2 movies, Avengers Infinity War, and Avengers Endgame both had main characters die.

If you don't like the genre, no issues. I have a list of very popular movie genres in which I have no interest; rom-com, horror, and I'm picky about comedies.

How would you know anything about these movies you don’t watch them?

Also, there were quite a few mean-spirited shots in your post.

'Endgame'? And here I thought we were going to discuss Chess...

Thought it was amazing. Very funny and also plucks the heart strings too.

Someone could just as easily ask you to explain the fascination with movies based on real life situations. Some people like to go to the movies to get away from that.

Different people like different things.

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Sucks they are losing two of the biggest characters. RDJ and Chris evans were great in their roles. Thor is a great character as well.. the rest, meh.. don't think they can carry franchise on their own without the avengers movies. I get the Sam wilson/CA comic arch but I couldn't see Anthony Mackie carrying a movie. Interesting killing off black widow when she has a movie coming out. All in all great movie as you would expect from MCU.

I don't think you are accounting for the fact that Marvel Studios has said Endgame concludes the story arch. RDJ, Chris Helmsworth, Mark Ruffalo, and Chris Evans have all retired from the franchise. This was the final movie of the series.

I'm aware that endgame was end of MCU phase 3. Just saying losing alot of good characters that could carry a franchise

That's the interesting thing about comics, there are no hard rules.

And there is nothing keeping the individual characters from carrying on, just place the movies in times before the Endgame events.

for sure. Not to mention if you went off comics, there was like 5 people in endgame that could have squashed thanos one on one with no issue

j/c

FYI, in response to several posts...

The next Spider-Man is the official last film of phase 3.

Marvel/Disney still gets to rely on their take on Fantastic Four (finally gets done right) and X-Men (good luck recasting Wolverine). That on top of more Guardians, Thor, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, and Black Widow. They're doing The Eternals and Shang-Chi too.

Lastly, hate to be that guy, but it's a story ARC, not ARCH.

jc

endgame was ok. moved too slow for me. I'm cool with the passing of the torch for captain america, but i follow Mackie's acting career as i'm a fan of his, but IMO he's not really cut out for carrying his own movie. he's the perfect main supporting actor, but not a great lead.

Widow's solo film will most likely being a prequel of sorts. sucks seeing iron man die.

but the future for the MCU is still completely bright. Spiderman, Black Panther, Guardians, etc still have tons of great stories to tell. phase 4 might not be as blockbuster packed as phase 3, but its still gonna be world's better than anything DC puts out.

I’m sure Marvel/Disney will be planning the next main storyline, something like Secret Wars. They need a big story to mix the X-Men in.

Yeah, it was a little slow, but it was deliberate to capture the dark, depressing tone of the post-snap recovery. If they could have trimmed that, like axing the Hawkeye’s tangent and Hulk’s weak attempt at time travel (and maybe fat Thor too), the first act may have went by faster and had better pacing.

Someone told me Sam is the new Captain America in the comics, not sure if that’s true. Also, would Bucky be able to wear the Stars and Stripes after being an assassin for the bad guys so long?

The final battle was a messy nerdgasm. It was great and a bit too hectic at the same time. As I said, I’d rate it a 4 out of 5. I don’t hand out gimme 5’s.

Overall I like the movie. It got to be tedious at the end though where they had to go through all the PC inclusiveness just to get everyone included. Stealing stuff from harry potter and lord of the rings movies was a bit lame to me too even though I know they did it as a form or tribute it just didn't seem like anything more than a cheap rip off at times. You can definitely feel walt disney's PC regime in the forms since they took control and to be honest it's ruining the movies lately because of it.

What did they steal from Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings?

they flat out said harry pot in one scene

from lord of the rings they used the scene where the halflings are jumping on the back of the troll to stab it from behind several time in the final battle scenes.

I mean they meant no harm in it but to me it got a bit tedious at times because of it.

j/c

Just saw it yesterday, really enjoyed it.

Have not seen the Captain Marvel movie yet, and Endgame did not make want to do so.

She totally Episode VIII-ed that alien ship.

I think Captain Marvel was "good", not "very good" or "great". It's worth a DVD/streaming rental.

I think they handled her in Endgame very well though. Everyone was worried she'd dominate the movie and strike the last blow on Thanos, but they treated her with the right screen time (minimal).

Maybe I'm must feeling another round of Marvel fatigue? Good movie, but I don't think it justified the 3 hour run time. I get it was wrapping a lot of the last 10 years up, but too big of a chunk was literally re-visiting and re-hashing past events. I do appreciate what they were going for and having the characters "in the background" of past events is a cool device.

I too agree they handled Capt Marvel right, but honestly, it would have been the exact same movie without her in it. Not to get off the rails too much but her solo movie was clearly a PC bone to throw. I did a little digging and the Capt Marvel character in the comics went through something like 5 or 6 iterations and none of them really caught on with the readers. For a character who is uber powerful to be of no real consequence IMO only underscores that.

I do have to say the opening scene with Hawkeye and his family was massively impactful and did a phenomenal job of setting the tone.

I guess for a 3 hour movie that wraps up a series, I wanted more questions to be answered. For example, Dr. Strange gave up the Time Stone and told Tony there was only a 1 in 16 million chance.. cool, but where was/were that pivotal moment? What was the moment that he saw?

Anyways, I'll get it and watch it again when it comes out at home.

On a side note: someone asked about Cap passing the mantle to Falcon... in the comics Steve Roger's run actually ends in Civil War. The movie Civil War only lightly touches on the reasons for it (individual liberty vs. registration) but eventually Cap sees how much devastation the fight is causing and in order to end it he surrenders. He's then incarcerated in a S.H.I.E.L.D. facility where he gets shanked (by I believe Crossbones). In tribute, Falcon dons the mantle of Capt America.

Dr. Jordan Peterson has touched on this concept a bit in the past. He's previously done a series of lectures on Biblical stories found in the Book of Genesis. He's planning on doing a similar series based on Exodus and has one on stories from Islam on the back burner.

His claim is that there are several of the same archetypical stories found across different Traditions. Those stories help give birth so to speak to a "universal ethic". It's a great series if you can dedicate the time to it. But moving on, he's talked about with the societal trend of moving away from religion, there is still this instinctual need for those archetypical stories. Those stories are re-born in modern day franchises like Harry Potter and the Marvel movies.

But that's one theory

I don't know if you missed it, but there was a moment when Dr Strange looks at Tony and holds up one finger. I took that as the moment when Tony needs to act and they would win.

I agree with this. Earlier, Strange told Tony that if he told him what would need to happen, then it would not happen. Later is the scene you described, and I also think that was Strange giving Tony the cue, that it is "now."

Yeah, now that you guys mention it, I do recall that. I guess with all that was going on in the peripheral at the time it didn't really imprint on me.