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Now that day one of the draft is in the books who do you think made an odd pick?

For instance I thought the Ravens made a very odd pick Marquise Brown, WR, why you say?

Jackson can't hit the broad side of a barn he WILL NOT remain the Ravens QB is my prediction and I felt sorry for this young man cause if your QB can't throw an accurate ball what are your chances of having much of a career? The one thing he has going for him Jackson is unlikely to be his QB come the end of the season. So there is that.

It was hard for me to believe sort of cause the guy cried when he was picked he was so happy, but to play for Baltimore as a WR is the one place a WR could go to kill his career, IMO.

I think their GM is a moron, I really do ! Thank God too !


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Danieal Jones - I think he was 10-12 picks early, they could most probably got him with the 17th pick and in doing so picked up either Ed Oliver or Josh Allen to go with him instead of Laurence .... I think Gettleman's days in NY are numbered.


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I concur the Giants are a dumpster fire at this point. When the Giants passed on QB last draft for a RB I knew they were on their way down.

You DO NOT draft a RB at 2 when you know you need a QB Gettleman is a Moron.


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I think Pittsburgh reached, trading up for the guy. This is not even taking into account what he wore. I wonder if this was a panic move by them to get faster on defense, seeing how they will be facing a backfield of Chubb and Hunt twice this season.

Simmons went earlier than I thought, to Tenn. I figured late in the 1st. Sweat lasted a lot longer than I thought he would.

Balt going WR, not sure about that. They still need someone who can throw it. Their problems last year were no WR. I am horrible at playing the piano, the answer is not getting me a better piano.

Greedy falling to the second round is a surprise to me.

Giants got their QB. To help him they have .... Golden Tate.

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Originally Posted By: mgh888
Danieal Jones - I think he was 10-12 picks early, they could most probably got him with the 17th pick and in doing so picked up either Ed Oliver or Josh Allen to go with him instead of Laurence .... I think Gettleman's days in NY are numbered.


I agree with this one...definitely seemed like a reach to me

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Daniel Jones pick is by far the most odd.

In regards to Marquise Brown, I think that was actually a good pick. Considering how much they run now with their gimmick offense, having a WR who can hurt any team deep adds another element for defenses to consider. Any inaccuracies with Lamars deep ball, Browns speed will help make up for it (ie Callaway/Taylor TD catch against Saints).


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Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
Now that day one of the draft is in the books who do you think made an odd pick?

For instance I thought the Ravens made a very odd pick Marquise Brown, WR, why you say?

Jackson can't hit the broad side of a barn he WILL NOT remain the Ravens QB is my prediction and I felt sorry for this young man cause if your QB can't throw an accurate ball what are your chances of having much of a career? The one thing he has going for him Jackson is unlikely to be his QB come the end of the season. So there is that.

It was hard for me to believe sort of cause the guy cried when he was picked he was so happy, but to play for Baltimore as a WR is the one place a WR could go to kill his career, IMO.

I think their GM is a moron, I really do ! Thank God too !


Yeah I was thinking they'd go for one of the much bigger WRs...to compensate for Lamar's accuracy issues...

However I think with Brown at WR...Baltimore see's it as a reason for defenses not to load the box as often, and try to keep the field more even...But like you said, their WRs lost nearly all their production once he took over...so it'll be interesting to see what happens to Marquise Brown there.

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Gettleman got Manninghandled.


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I think Pittsburgh reached, trading up for the guy. This is not even taking into account what he wore. I wonder if this was a panic move by them to get faster on defense, seeing how they will be facing a backfield of Chubb and Hunt twice this season.

Simmons went earlier than I thought, to Tenn. I figured late in the 1st. Sweat lasted a lot longer than I thought he would.

Balt going WR, not sure about that. They still need someone who can throw it. Their problems last year were no WR. I am horrible at playing the piano, the answer is not getting me a better piano.

Greedy falling to the second round is a surprise to me.

Giants got their QB. To help him they have .... Golden Tate.


I thought the Jeffrey Simmons pick was odd as well, I kind of think the Titans are in a win now mode...But maybe they are not...I thought they would be better served adding an immense talent to help this year, unless Simmons is supposed to be playing at some point this year, which we all know is a huge if...And I know I would not rush back a player too soon....

I thought Noah Fant would help that team out more...Delanie Walker is very old and expensive, and missed 15 games last year...Jonnu Smith has'nt showed much...Adding Fant to play alongside with Delanie Walker for 2019 would have been ideal for Mariota imho...But I know Simmons was an immense talent as well.

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Originally Posted By: mgh888
Danieal Jones - I think he was 10-12 picks early, they could most probably got him with the 17th pick and in doing so picked up either Ed Oliver or Josh Allen to go with him instead of Laurence .... I think Gettleman's days in NY are numbered.


I was blind because I'm a Browns fan

Is this what it looks like from the outside looking in, to watch a team make what seems like some really dumb moves

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I thought the Texans grabbing Tytus Howard was a shock...We all know how horrid their Oline is, and they need an immediate starter...However they drafted a guy most saw was a fast rising 3rd rounder and whom many think needs a redshirt year to learn...Seemed like they panicked once Philly grabbed Dillard prior to their pick.

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Oakland's first pick was a head scratcher with guys still on the board, and Daniel Jones was of course too


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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j/c:

I thought the following picks were questionable.

Clelin Ferrel to the Raiders. His teammate, Wilkins, is better.

Daniel Jones to the Giants. I think Haskins was the best qb in the draft.

Rashan Gary to the Packers. He is an athlete, but his production isn't very good.

Marquise Brown to the Ravens. I think it will be hard for him to stay healthy.

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Danieal Jones - I think he was 10-12 picks early, they could most probably got him with the 17th pick and in doing so picked up either Ed Oliver or Josh Allen to go with him instead of Laurence .... I think Gettleman's days in NY are numbered.


I was blind because I'm a Browns fan

Is this what it looks like from the outside looking in, to watch a team make what seems like some really dumb moves


I live in NJ, just outside of NYC and have been poking about on Giants forums and sports radio and reviews of round one are pretty grim. None of it will matter if Jones turns out like Gil Brandt says he will. He does fit the prototypical Manning mold so the team won’t have to change drastically ala Baltimore but Gettleman is going to need the kid to flash early. It’s either genius or folly and I think we know exactly how that usually turns out.




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I forgot about Gary as well ... I'd rather have Winovich, his teammate


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I thought the following picks were questionable.

Clelin Ferrel to the Raiders. His teammate, Wilkins, is better.

Daniel Jones to the Giants. I think Haskins was the best qb in the draft.

Rashan Gary to the Packers. He is an athlete, but his production isn't very good.

Marquise Brown to the Ravens. I think it will be hard for him to stay healthy.



Yeah those all make, or don't make sense (depends on how you interpret it lol) It was odd with Ferrel, was a couple months ago he was a top 10 pick...Think after the combine, most saw him as a mid first guy...I really like Mayock for Oakland, but both Ferrel and Josh Jacobs were reaches imho. I didn't think Ferrel looked fluid enough for his size, seems a little stiff cut at times...I honestly know he's better than Austin Bryant, but imho he wasn't a world better...I'm actually hoping we can pick Bryant up later into the draft...I think he would be an ideal end to play behind Vernon and Myles Garrett.

I did not like Daniel Jones at all as a 1st round pick...Obviously Giants thought different.

With Gary from Michigan...I think his combine just really elevated him (unfortunately that's where over-drafting someone stems from) He never really put it all together despite that rare freakish body. Be interesting where he plays, as I know he stated he doesn't want to play inside...But I think he's best served inside...Always risky when you draft an underachiever that high imo.

With Marquise Brown...You basically have a minute speed demon...I can't see how he helps Lamar Jackon's accuracy woes (won't be a guy he can depend for off throwing windows or 50/50 balls) But I can see how defense have to play honest with Marquise Brown...I can see Baltimore thinking defenses will play the field a little more even, and back-off from a constant stack...and Brown on bubble screens would be a nightmare if you are playing with 1 over him...But I'm with you, his foot injury is something to be aware off, specially when speed is your calling card.

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As always, good analysis.

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If Daniel Jones is any good, Gettleman had a good draft….but that’s only if….I like Dexter Lawrence and Baker.

Clellin Ferrell is a good player, but I think having given away Mack forced their hand there. Josh Jacobs…..ugh, Gruden what are you doing.

I don’t like Josh Allen to the jags, I just don’t like Josh Allen.

TJ Hockensen is such a Lions pick, gross. Drafting Tight ends that high in the first round is so gross.

Devin Bush is a 5’11 inside linebacker with short arms…..giving up what they did to get him…..absolutely gross. Too small to cover tight ends and too light to bang inside. So you moved up in the draft to take what you’re hoping can be a sideline to sideline backer……

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Overall this was a very weak draft. When this many DT's go as high as they did, it's weak, you don't win in the NFL with DT's.

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I agree, the draft appears weak in the first round ... no top tier LT, QB, CB


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Passing on Darnold to draft Jones... abysmal.

This reminds me of the Vikings Christain Ponder pick.

Drafting a RB @ #2.
Trading away one of the league's best WRs.

This cat has no plan whatsoever and is blindly throwing darts... If the Giants make the playoffs it'll be a miracle.

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It'd be tough being a Giants fan right now.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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This was the weirdest draft EVER!

Testimony also that this was not a strong draft at all.

Oh there were a few position groups on Defense DL to be specific and that was about it.

A QB that was UNDER 6' was taken overall #1 who just a season ago traded up to get a QB in the top 10???

the Overall #2 player didn't really play in last years college play due to injuries.

The Overall #4 pick was taken around 15 slots earlier. Can we Also assume that this draft was so weak nobody could find a trade partner to trade back???

An ILB was taken #5 overall

A blocking TE was taken #8 overall

Just weird!

Good news for us Only ONE CB taken unfortunately Safeties were taken, cannot remember when More Safeties were taken in the first round opposed to Cover Corners!

Weird.

1 RB and 1WR...so much for the DK Metcalf hype.


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
I agree, the draft appears weak in the first round ... no top tier LT, QB, CB


Also no trades in the top 10 aside for a 5'11 230 ILB. Yikes.

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we'll probably look back at this draft like we did the one for Mingo


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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That was the worst draft class ever. I don't think this one is that bad. I think it's strong on the DL and in the secondary. There are some good LBers, as well. It's probably stronger than usual on OL prospects.

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--Clelin Ferrel to the Raiders, with Josh Allen still on the board.

--Daniel Jones @6 yikes!

--Tytus Howard over Jawaan Taylor ... Questionable to say the least.

--The Falcons selecting a good OG over some good OTs' ... That too is odd.

--The Raiders again, picking a SS in Jonathan Abrams in the first round.
I think that thus far, I would have to say that Mike Mayock was a better talking head than he is a GM. Even the Josh Jacobs pick was a reach, because I don't think that he goes later in the 1st round to another team.

Seems to me that many 2nd round prospects found their way into the 1st.

The good news of the night was, that only one CB going in the first round is setting us up for a good prospect from that position.


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I forgot about the Tytus Howard pick. Strange.

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Howard was very strange; it was like they panicked once their LT was picked


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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that's a trainwreck


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: mgh888
Danieal Jones - I think he was 10-12 picks early, they could most probably got him with the 17th pick and in doing so picked up either Ed Oliver or Josh Allen to go with him instead of Laurence .... I think Gettleman's days in NY are numbered.



Maybe, maybe not. Early on in the process it looked like they were going to take him later. Maybe they settled on him and had him rated as the guy they wanted. Maybe they got some intel that somebody else was going to draft him if they waited. It just came down to him or Haskins. It just came down to the team wanting Jones.

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As Browns fans we have seen teams get cute way too often. Take the QB you like, period. This time last year everyone was laughing at us for taking Baker over Sam Darnold and Josh Allen.

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Originally Posted By: FL_Dawg
--Clelin Ferrel to the Raiders, with Josh Allen still on the board.

--Daniel Jones @6 yikes!

--Tytus Howard over Jawaan Taylor ... Questionable to say the least.

--The Falcons selecting a good OG over some good OTs' ... That too is odd.

--The Raiders again, picking a SS in Jonathan Abrams in the first round.
I think that thus far, I would have to say that Mike Mayock was a better talking head than he is a GM. Even the Josh Jacobs pick was a reach, because I don't think that he goes later in the 1st round to another team.

Seems to me that many 2nd round prospects found their way into the 1st.

The good news of the night was, that only one CB going in the first round is setting us up for a good prospect from that position.


I don't think the Falcons pick odd. I think more and more teams are feeling that a solid 3 in the middle is more important than on the edges, especially if your QB is good at stepping up in to the pocket. A step or two up totally wrecks a DE's angle unless the OT gets beat inside.


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As Browns fans we have seen teams get cute way too often. Take the QB you like, period. This time last year everyone was laughing at us for taking Baker over Sam Darnold and Josh Allen.



I agree, but I wasn't one of the ones laughing. Baker was the QB I wanted from fairly early on in the process.


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Gettleman sounds like a bumbling idiot.

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Darnell Savage.. man, I love my Terps and I thought this kid was pretty good and developed into a guy with a high second round grade... but the Packers used the #30 pick, the #114 pick, and the #118 pick to get in position to take this kid...

Seems like a lot.


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My favorite tweet of the evening, which I can't find to post the actual tweet, was:

The Giants drafted the guy you would hire to play Eli Manning in a movie about Peyton Manning.

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This not directed at anyone's comment.

Every year teams make what at the time seemed questionable.

That is because the media mock drafters see things differently than GM's and scouts.

Last year everyone questioned why Baker over Darnold, and Ward over Chubb.

Thankfully, it worked well for us.

I didn't study this draft. From a glance the quarterbacks didn't move me. Murray is a scheme player. He is talented. The comparisons to Wilson are obvious. I do not know if Murray is the same leader that Wilson is.

There did seem to be some very good DL players. I think Dorsey wanted Simmons but could not make the deal he wanted.

The second round looks to have some good players.

I doubt we stand pat.


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