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I had been advocating that we use some of our picks and perhaps current player[s] to move up in round 2. There are a lot of good guys left, but I can't believe Murphy is still available. I really would love to see Dorsey move-up and snag this guy.

Here is a report that is out there. I like this one because it really does a nice job of highlighting what's important to good cornerback attributes.

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Byron Murphy

CB, Washington

Conf Pac-12 Jersey #1 Class RS Sophomore HT 6'0'' DOB 01/18/1998 WT 175 lbs

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Feet - Exceptionally balanced and quick feet. Blends patience with clean transitions and elite burst. Explosive plant and drive skills when breaking forward. Has no issues pattern matching and his change of direction ability is rare.

Man Coverage - Blends quickness and fluidity with astute mirroring skills. Has a natural feel for anticipating routes with the ability to remain in phase with anyone. Often finishes running the route for the receiver. Sticky and competitive.

Tackling - Closes in on receivers with purpose and intent. Has a consistently low aiming point. Rarely gives up large amounts of separation so not only can he close in a hurry but the distance is often minimal. Plays well above his weight class. There are some reps on tape where he unnecessarily leaves his feet and dives into the ball carrier instead of squaring and wrapping up.

IQ/Awareness - Tremendous ability to anticipate routes. Knows how to layer coverage and squeeze throwing lanes. Finds the football in the air. Has a natural feel to coverage spacing and knows how to leverage routes. Diagnoses route combinations rapidly with an understanding of what the play concept is intended to achieve and how to take that away.

Physicality - Willing to mix it up in the contact widow, use his hands to redirect routes, crowd receivers and play a disruptive style of football. Plays above his weight class when corners are aggressive with him at the release or at the top of routes. Brings good contact power for his size.

Ball Skills - Modest length works against him but has a natural feel for the balls arrival and how to extend his arms and disrupt at the catch point. Plays with precise timing and technique when breaking on the football. Mitts are reliable to secure interceptions. Game slows down for him at the catch point. Does well to scrape at the football as an assisted tackler.

Press Technique - Will stalk receivers at the line of scrimmage and operates from a balanced base. Gets his hands into the framework of the receiver to achieve firm jams. Has redirect power in his hands. Recovery speed allows him to be aggressive.

Flexibility - Loose and fluid in his hips, ankles and torso. Has smooth and explosive change of direction skills and cleanly transitions. Plays with great bend and leverage. Springy and explosive mover. He glides moving in all directions.

Versatility - Can fit in any scheme and play any technique at a high level. Love him in zone, press, man, off-man... he does it all. Can be a touch more consistent in run support but it's a fairly minor gripe. Has been an effective blitzer and features tremendous ball skills.

BEST TRAIT - Coverage

WORST TRAIT - Run Support

RED FLAGS -

Murphy's fluidity, quickness, speed, ability to mirror routes, press technique, zone awareness and ball skills make him a scheme-transcendent talent. He features lockdown coverage skills with the ability to make game-changing plays on the football. He may have only started 20 games in college but his football IQ and athletic ability is good enough to contribute right away. Murphy has the potential to be among the top cornerbacks in the NFL by year three.

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I would be more than happy to grab him in the 2nd. I think that he'll be gone unless we trade way up ...... but I can't believe that he's still there right now.


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He is my top CB and a very smart player too.


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It would it cost to trade up a 2019 3rd and 4th to move up or one of those and a 3rd next year ...


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According to draft trade chart


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Maybe this is where a trade of Duke happens.
Turn a 3rd or 4th plus Duke into a 2nd?

Just need a team picking higher than us that needs a RB like Duke.


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I know I said this in the other thread, but while Byron was a great player in college and would certainly be a nice pick in the 2nd round. I have been really shying away from advocating mediocre athletes transitioning into the NFL.

Good ball skills, 4.55 forty, 5'11 with short arms. Looking at it quickly around 30 corners at the combine ran faster. 8 linebackers ran faster. 25 Wide outs ran faster and 10 running backs were faster.

He is a mediocre athlete with good ball skills, but is short and slow with short arms. He didn't even run 3 cone, so you know those numbers weren't good.


Right or wrong, I have gone to the data to project perimeter players more and more. If they can't run, with all these air raid offenses, they won't stick around in the NFL. They need to be fast and long.

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Originally Posted By: BpG
I know I said this in the other thread, but while Byron was a great player in college and would certainly be a nice pick in the 2nd round. I have been really shying away from advocating mediocre athletes transitioning into the NFL.

Good ball skills, 4.55 forty, 5'11 with short arms. Looking at it quickly around 30 corners at the combine ran faster. 8 linebackers ran faster. 25 Wide outs ran faster and 10 running backs were faster.

He is a mediocre athlete with good ball skills, but is short and slow with short arms. He didn't even run 3 cone, so you know those numbers weren't good.


Right or wrong, I have gone to the data to project perimeter players more and more. If they can't run, with all these air raid offenses, they won't stick around in the NFL. They need to be fast and long.

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I don't agree w/your take that he is a mediocre athlete. There is more to be an athlete than 40 times. Guys has great feet and hips. Those are both high on the list when evaluating athleticism in a corner.

I'm not asking you to like him, but I think that label is unfair.

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I don't dislike him as a college player. My point is projecting a guy who can't run with 30 of the WR's at the combine....much less the NFL is unfavorable.

What do we think OBJ, Julio Jones and Tyreke Hill are running these days? 4.3 flat? Less than that? With their elite agility and length. I am absolutely not saying he can't be a quality corner in the NFL, what I am trying to convey is that much like Joe Haden, the high end ceiling isn't there because he just doesn't possess the speed and athleticism.

40 matters way more for WR's and Corners than any other position on the field. Being slower than almost 10 running backs who have 40lbs on him to me, says mediocre athlete AT THE NEXT LEVEL.



He could go out there and prove me entirely wrong, but my point is if you're a gambling man, this kid has to buck the trends to be good/great.

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I agree with your Vers - he was my top CB - very similar in his traits to Ward. I think if we can move up and take him, it would be a fantastic heist.

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The fact that only one CB was taken in the first round says a lot about the overall value of the CBs in this draft.

Heck there is a 6'2" kid with 4.37 speed and he's not taken which tells me something big time is wrong with him.

I know we are looking hard at Layne, he's a bit skinny but long term I think that is the kid we want.

Right now ready to play Murphy is the only real value CB for the 2nd round.

Layne has the possible upside to someday be a pro bowler.

Murphy I don't think will ever have that status but from day one he would be GOOD and would remain pretty consistent throughout his career.

Greedy, something is big time wrong with him or else he would be long gone. He is either Dumb as a Doorknob or just doesn't have that desire to become the best!

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And this is strictly my personal philosophy. I completely understand why you would like this kid. He could be a day 1 starter.

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I like Murphy but I would love seeing Ward and Greedy Williams together smile


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this is the top player left IMO


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He will be gone by pick #32.

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make that #33.

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He will go early in the round, but we have the resources to move up if Dorsey really likes him....or anyone else, for that matter.

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2833...maining-players

Byron Murray could challenge Greedy Williams for the second spot among cornerbacks selected in this class. He's not comparable in athleticism, but the Washington product showed improvement in coverage with an expanded role in 2018.

Overall, Murphy recorded 20 pass breakups and six interceptions over the last two years. It's hard to question his ball skills, but he stands at 5'11", 190 pounds and ran a 4.55-second 40-yard dash. Coaching staffs may not be impressed by his measurables, but the tape shows a smooth backpedal with quick feet and fluid hips.

Teams that have a safety with range can live with Murphy's questionable straight-line speed and smaller frame. The Cleveland Browns have Damarious Randall, who constantly finds the football while playing center field and can bracket speedy wideouts in coverage alongside Murphy.

And if Murphy struggles on the perimeter, the Washington product plays with enough toughness for a role on the inside.

The Browns would have Murphy opposite 2018 fourth overall pick Denzel Ward on the outside or as a solid slot cornerback to combat three-wide receiver sets.

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j/c

Too many people confuse a track meet at the combines with a football player in uniform, on the field. Instincts mean a lot more than a 40 time at the combine.


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True, but ideally you get a player that covers both sides of that coin.

A pure football player isn't any use to you if he can't keep up with the guys he is supposed to cover, just as the fastest guy in the world will get abused regularly if he isn't a football player that knows where to be and how to get there.

So, it is possible that this guy is indeed a real player, but if his wheels don't get him going fast enough, then it is a valid concern.

I'd say that folks should look at tape of him against receivers that ran some of the faster times - did he get abused, or his football speed good enough??


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Murphy is a very good, sticky CB. From film I’ve watched, speed is not an issue but if we are going into a cover scheme, his traits of his IQ, feel and ball skills make him a natural fit. His closing speed meets my eye test. He’s going to be a very good player for someone.

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That's what I've seen too and the film doesn't lie.


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I heard on the radio that Greedy Williams had zero visits or workouts with any NFL teams. He apparently feels his combine workout and his game film should speak for him. But I remember being very surprised when I found out after his release that we drafted Justin Gilbert without having met with or even talking on the phone with him. In Williams' case, I guess its not a huge red flag, but its still worrisome.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/12/no-visits-for-greedy-williams/

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I agree. Players play hard. Two thoughts: A) Football speed — Somehow fast enough when necessary, whether it is at the line, scheme, or something. B) Our pss rush should be able to compensate, I hope considerably.


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Been some rumors that Greedy has a bit of a tude problem, so that's why he's slipped


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The Cardinals are taking Washington CB Byron Murphy.


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!st pick in the 2nd round - Byron Murphy. The run on CBs begins.

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Heck there is a 6'2" kid with 4.37 speed and he's not taken which tells me something big time is wrong with him.

I tried hard to find out what was wrong with him...at the end of it all. I really couldn't find any except that he was not a great Run stuffer and at 185 lbs...why would he be.

What he was is the best Cover Corner in this draft. I hope he doesn't have to stop many runs when he comes in as our 3rd or 4th CB on passing downs. wink


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