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I don't think that a Rosen trade will bring a 1st round pick in return.

There are reportedly 3 teams in play for him.

Patriots
Chargers
Giants

One team has reportedly offered a 2nd round pick. There could be a huge swing on that value, from 35,(Giants) to Chargers,(60) to Patriots. (64)

It'll be interesting to see where he winds up, and what value he has.

20-30 mins is too short, should be more like 45-50 then break for the last 10 of an hour.

Other question is, how long is the break? I didn't see that in the article.

I've read that the Giants aren't as interested as it seems... and that it's the Chargers who are the front runners for Rosen. That's fine. Let him go there and let the Giants suck... Gettleman destroyed that franchise.

Man, I don't know if I would even want to go to the Giants if I was a good qb.

I am blown away at how much Rosen's stock has dropped after one year. Some QB's take a year to grow. (see Goff) I think NE or SD will end up with him and every other team will be kicking themselves.

I am also amazed... Was he really that bad? Did he have much help around him?

Draft picks always lose value until they prove they've lived up to their draft status. Rosen didn't have any help around him but he also didn't have the opportunity to live up to his draft status.

This really isn't surprising at all.

Rosen was in a very bad position last year. His team was depleted and pathetic.

I see this as a Jared Goff situation also.

My opinion is that Rosen will become a solid NFL qb once he settles with a stable organization.

Kingsberry will fail with his college offense led by OVERRATED Kyler Murray. Check Chip Kelly.

I didn't like Rosen at all coming out of college. However if the Cards want to dump him for a 6th round pick he would make a good 3rd string QB for us

Considering Matt Cassel and Jacoby Brissett both looked like All Stars I think you're right.

Heck, even Tom Brady seems good

I don't get the stock dropping because I thought he had a pretty solid second half. However, the Cardinals set the stock price by simply making him available after one season - so they're definitely not getting a 1st round in return. If he's sitting on my bench, his stock is just as valuable in 2020... he's not going anywhere this year if I'm in charge. Having a viable NFL starter after going all-in, two seasons in a row, is a pretty solid insurance policy should things go south with Kyler. Why trade him now?

This is fun. Always enjoy Orlovsky's breakdowns...

I enjoy Orlovsky's breakdowns, as well. He brings some passion to the analysis.

But if the reports of his personality and attitude are even a bit true, does Arizona think he would become a problem if benched to sit behind Murray? That could be reason enough to let him go.

I've been watching this unfold for weeks now,, and I'm wondering, is this another smoke screen to see what they can get for the First pick in the draft.. I mean it's not like stuff like this hasn't happened before around draft time.

Multiple sources say the Dolphins are close to a deal for QB Josh Rosen, and that a deal may actually be tentatively done. Arizona would get pick No. 48 from Miami.

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1121838080653238273

Works for both sides. Should have had this done before the draft though, but whatever.

Once Zona drafted Murray at #1 it severely hurt their leverage to trade Rosen. Most of the league knew they were going to draft Murray and knew they could just wait and get Rosen at a bargain price. This was an ill conceived plan from the beginning and shows why there are winners and losers in this league.

It's nice to finally be one of the winners for a change.

Kind of my thought too unless Miami wanted to see how the first round played out.. only thing I could think of is they wanted to see if Haskins was available, which he was, and they still didn't take him. Is it possible they were hoping JONES would be available? I guess that's a possibility.

I think it was the Cards that waited to pull the trigger. I think they knew that Murray was their guy but I would bet that they had teams interested in trading up to the 1st pick and they didn't want to trade Rosen till they knew for sure that they were gonna draft Murray and not trade the pick to someone else.

I think Pit's thoughts hold some water and the market for Rosen took a hit and his stock dropped.

I don't for sure, but i'm guessing miami knew they could get better value with rosen as the 2nd rd pick than Haskins in the first rd and whatever leftover for the second rd pick.

Full terms, per source:

Dolphins trade: Pick 62

Cardinals trade: QB Josh Rosen, a 2020 fifth-rounder.

Miami got a 2020 5th as well?

Man, if I'm the owner of the Cardinals, I'm seriously considering firing my GM.

What a cluster. Criminal they gave up on him already, with no talent and no line.

Just to tie this all up:

The Cardinals traded their 2018 1st, (15th) 3rd, (79th) 5th, (152nd) and a 2020 5th, for the Dolphins 2019 2nd. (62nd) Wow.

Oh, and it also cost the Cards almost $18 million.

Murray better be one of the all time greats, and Rosen better not be.

True.

What a steal by the Dolphins.

OK, they have corrected the trade.

The Dolphins are sending the Cardinals a 2020 5th rounder, not the other way around.

That makes all the difference in the world.

It does make a difference.

Yeah, but really, not much.

The Cardinals gave up #15 overall in 2018, a 3rd, and a 5th ..... and 1 year and $17.6 million later, they trade him for the 62nd overall, and a 2020 5th.

Crazy.

If Rosen turns into a competent starting QB, and Murray struggles, the crap storm will bury Cardinals HQ.

j/c:

So, Rosen goes from Arizona who had the worst OL in in the league to Miami who has a bottom of the league. Miami's O was ranked 31st in the league last year. Dude is snake bit.

They did take a Guard today .... and for Rosen's sake, I hope they are looking at every OL who is, or could be available.

If the Phins were smart, they would start Fitz this year and let Rosen watch while they continue to develop the roster. The problem is that their roster sucks so bad, they will bench Fitz early like AZ did to Bradford last year and put Rosen in w/inferior talent.

I hope Rosen has the last laugh...:) He was very classy through the whole drama.

The Cardinals' mickey mouse O will not cut it in the NFL.

Ask Chip Kelly.

We are never going to know how good Rosen could have been. He is about to get Tim Couched.

The Dolphins played this well.

The Dolphins traded from 48 to 62, adding a 2020 2nd round pick as well as a 6th in the deal. They then traded 62 and a 2020 5th for Rosen. (while keeping the 2020 2nd and the 6th)

I don't know that I necessarily agree with this sentiment. Maybe it's true. I dunno.

I think the situation plays a role but I also think when it comes to a quarterback you either have it or you don't. I don't think Couch had it but he's also not considered a complete bust in my mind. I don't think Anderson had it either. Baker has it.