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I agree they played it well.
I also thought they traded #62 for Rosen and a 5th rd pick. They fleeced the cardinals.
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I agree they played it well.
I also thought they traded #62 for Rosen and a 5th rd pick. They fleeced the cardinals. It was later corrected to Rosen for a 2nd (62) and a 2020 5th. Crazy thing is that, as the draft picks all wash out, it could be argued that the Dolphins got Rosen for a swap of a 5th for a 6th. lol
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It will be interesting how all this looks in 4 years. Success, failure, mediocrity. Whatever happens, with these two teams/QBs will forever be compared.
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I think Rosen to Miami was a good deal for the Dolphins. I think he's got a lot to learn and can still develop into a decent QB. He's a step up from Tanney in regards to his arm and upside.
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Cards seemed really fleeced to me. Just looked like it was a step backwards. I think Rosen might develop well, just a matter of when and with which team?
Still, just a trade had me scratching my head a bit.
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Still, just a trade had me scratching my head a bit. It's a catch-22. You have to let teams know that you want to trade him, but once you do that you kill the market because everyone knows you're drafting Murray. They got fleeced, but the value they got isn't horrible considering everyone knew they were going to trade him.
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It's a catch-22. You have to let teams know that you want to trade him, but once you do that you kill the market because everyone knows you're drafting Murray.
They got fleeced, but the value they got isn't horrible considering everyone knew they were going to trade him. The value you get depends on how many suitors you have as well though. It's not like the Dolphins were competeting with themselves. I mean, i think they got a steal. I definitely think the Cardinals got fleeced, but that's the best they could get. Josh Rosen was in a bad situation last year. IMO he's better than any second round QB, and with the fifth year option, he's on a four year contract, just like any of them. I'd certainly rather have him than Drew Lock.
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It was terrible value for the Cards.
They took a kid, and ruined his value in one single season.
They gave up the 15th overall, along with a 3rd, a 5th, and a 6th in this year's trade, to get back a late 2nd and a 2020 5th.
That's worse than the Browns did throughout the various different front office iterations we've seen in Cleveland.
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Once they knew they were taking Murray he was a sunk cost.
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what if they pick Tua next year
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All in all this was a series of unusual events.
They fire Wilks after one season. Then hire Kingsbury.
Kingsbury is brought in to bring a new offense. The guy he has always wanted to run his offense is Murray.
They have the first pick in the draft. So, all in they jump on Murray.
Rosen is odd man out. He really did not do anything wrong. He played for the worst team in football. He played behind a horrible OL. Took a beating. All things considered he did not play bad.
The Cards could not keep him. No way that would work. So they got what they could.
Now Rosen goes to another bad team. New head coach with a roster in need.
And Rosen thought getting drafted by the Browns would be a bad thing?
Time will tell how this all works out. Lots of factors at play.
Glad the Browns are where we are.
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It's weird that, a year after I wanted us to draft him, he went to Zona and now Miami. Meanwhile, I'm so grateful we took Bake. 
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Arizona is the new Browns I would have said the Giants. Trade away their best players, pass on good players, draft lesser players in the first round.
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Kudos to Rosen for walking away from that debacle with a lot of class. That video goodbye he did was excellent. He's the real winner in this deal.
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This is a long, but very good analysis of Rosen's rookie season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2E4ihqlrU
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This is a home run for the Dolphins. Played hardball and won big time.
I've been super critical of Rosen and his arrogance since the draft left a bad taste in my mouth (so did Haskins if I am being honest). I think not only is this a steal for the Phins, it is exactly what Rosen needed. He should be humbled and ready to prove people wrong......awesome situation for them.
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This is a home run for the Dolphins. Played hardball and won big time.
I've been super critical of Rosen and his arrogance since the draft left a bad taste in my mouth (so did Haskins if I am being honest). I think not only is this a steal for the Phins, it is exactly what Rosen needed. He should be humbled and ready to prove people wrong......awesome situation for them.
Sometimes, people make the wrong impressions on people. This doesn't sound so arrogant to me. Josh Rosen offers classy goodbye to ArizonaPosted by Michael David Smith on April 27, 2019, 4:36 PM EDT The Cardinals traded Josh Rosen to the Dolphins the day after drafting Kyler Murray to replace him, but Rosen is handling the situation with class. Rosen offered a goodbye message to Arizona on Instagram. “Cardinals fans, thank you so much for all the continued support this past year. I know we didn’t win as many games as we all would have had hoped, but I had an unbelievable time in the desert,” Rosen said. “Unfortunately my time here is coming to an end, but you guys are really getting a great player in Kyler Murray. He’s going to do great things for the Red Sea. Kyler, I just want to congratulate you and your family for getting drafted. Arizona is a really special place and you’re going to love playing and living here.” Rosen then turned his attention to his new team. “Miami, I couldn’t be more excited to become a Dolphin. I’m ready to attack this new chapter in my life and give you guys everything I have each and every day,” Rosen said. And Rosen closed with a joke about Murray potentially buying his place. “Kyler, one more thing. An awesome two-bedroom in Old Town just came on the market so let me know if you’re interested and I think I can get you a pretty good deal,” Rosen said. It was a warm and funny way to say goodbye, one that’s going to endear Rosen to Arizona fans and make Miami fans think they’ve just landed an easy player to cheer for. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/27/josh-rosen-offers-classy-goodbye-to-arizona/
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That is exactly what I mean, he went from "9 mistakes taken before me" to that video quoted in the article in one, very humbling year. Absolute STEAL for the Phins.
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That is exactly what I mean, he went from "9 mistakes taken before me" to that video quoted in the article in one, very humbling year. Absolute STEAL for the Phins. Or he struggles again behind a bad offensive line.
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and maybe the worst WR core in football.
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That is exactly what I mean, he went from "9 mistakes taken before me" to that video quoted in the article in one, very humbling year. Absolute STEAL for the Phins. Or he struggles again behind a bad offensive line. I dunno if their OL is that bad really. (After looking at the roster it might be) He will face Ed Oliver and Quinnen Williams twice a year, though, which doesn't bode particularly well. Also has an underwhelming group of receivers. Some interesting YAC guys, but getting them the ball in the first place could be a challenge. Might be able to scheme some easy throws with them though. Quick hitters out of stacks sort of stuff.
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They both look thrilled to be playing for the Dolphins.
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I said in a thread after watching Rosen in i believe his first preseason game, he was going to bust. I could tell by his body language, how he reacted to his players, how his players were reacting to him, and other noticeable factors he was going to fail (MIND YOU that i wanted Rosen at draft time). After watching that, i was thrilled we didn't draft him. Looking at this picture, it seems none of those body language ques have left. He doesn't want to play football. Well better put, he doesn't LOVE playing football. Its a means to success and money for him. He will happily stick around for a few years, collect his money, and fade into existence to start a business later in life. He just doesn't have that drive or love for the game.
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Since they have similar expressions, would you say the same thing about Ryan Fitzpatrick?
This picture looks like an outtake. No way a photographer takes that picture, looks at it, and is like "nailed it, take this to print".
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Looking at this picture, it seems none of those body language ques have left. He doesn't want to play football. Well better put, he doesn't LOVE playing football. Its a means to success and money for him. He will happily stick around for a few years, collect his money, and fade into existence to start a business later in life. He just doesn't have that drive or love for the game.
All this from looking at a picture. Very impressive.
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Since they have similar expressions, would you say the same thing about Ryan Fitzpatrick?
This picture looks like an outtake. No way a photographer takes that picture, looks at it, and is like "nailed it, take this to print". Those are not similar pictures. Watch Rosen play, watch his body language. he constantly lackluster, blaming others, running past teammates not acknowledging them or giving much credit, etc. Hes a bum.
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The one thing I will say in regards to Miami, Fitz, and Rosen.
If Rosen does not beat Fitz out to become the starter; Rosen's career will take a big hit.
Fitz is a smart veteran. He is capable at times. But at this point he should be considered a backup.
This is an opportunity for Rosen to move his career in the right direction.
However, he has to beat Fitz out to become the starter.
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It might actually be better for Rosen’s career to chill out for several games instead of getting killed on that horrible Dolphin team.
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Doesn't look like anyone woke up feeling Dangerous Looks like they woke up lifting their arm, *sniff sniff*, naa, I don’t need a shower yet.
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I don't see it that way.
IMO. whatever the state of the Miami team it doesn't matter.
Whether the team is good, or bad. OL, receivers, RB's etc. if they were only to win a few games. Rosen has to show he can be a stater. He has to prove he can lead a team.
Will the win/loss record be laid at his feet? Of course.
But even if they lose he can still show he belongs.
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I was talking more about the sad state of the Dolphins offensive line and Rosen getting his head taken off.
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He looked bad in Arizona. Josh is not a runner or a scrambler and must have a good o-line in the NFL to have any success. The problem is that he went to the Dolphins who may have a worse o-line than the Cards do.
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He looked bad in Arizona. Josh is not a runner or a scrambler and must have a good o-line in the NFL to have any success. The problem is that he went to the Dolphins who may have a worse o-line than the Cards do. Getting rid of the ball quickly can help cover up a less than great OL. Look at Brady in NE. He gets the ball out in less than 2 seconds which makes a somewhat unheralded OL (more so before being drafted and getting the Brady bump) look good. Is it a coincidence that Miami's new HC faced that offense at practice every day? Flores should be pretty familiar with it. Miami has somewhat similar receivers in that Welker/Edelman, shifty slot mold. Whether Rosen can pull that style of offense off remains to be seen. It's probably his best bet though. Unfortunately, that style wouldn't appear to be the best fit for Fitzmagic. I'm still not Rosen's biggest fan, but that's because I can't decide if he's well coached or (/and) sincere when it comes to the media. It's too soon to make any conclusions about him on the field, though. Who is the OC there now?
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