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just getting this out there right now as we are just about done with 6 rounds of the draft.

I would have to say that Both Baltimore and Pittsburgh has drafted extremely well thus far. Cincinnati and Cleveland has done okay as well. This division is going to be tough for years to come.

I will put my final grades out there this evening.

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Thoughts, i think it's way too early to grade the draft. We haven't seen any of these guys on the field yet


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Can we include OBJ in our grade smile

Our grade will be low all over the place that is the way it would be when your first pick is made at 46 as compared to those made earlier.

I do hate when guys I want end up going to Steelers or Ravens...Bengals I don't care as they will mess it up no matter what.

But you know what.

We got a pretty good Roster, best since our conception as an expansion team in 1999.

Long time coming.

Pieces are fitting in place.

Heck I'm an OL nut so our late round pick is the best of this draft...lol laugh

I like the way pieces are fitting in. this was not a talented draft outside of DL pretty low indeed.

We did what we had to do to get better.

Will every pick be a Pro Bowler...nah, as long as our only impact pick makes a good account of himself this Draft is successful

I'm reading people on the pick for Kicker and can't believe the complaints.

Kid is a stud.


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I think that Dorsey and Co have earned a lot of latitude with regard to this draft.

Last year's draft was extremely well done. The construction of the roster has been done extremely well, overall. This team has very few real holes.

I think they were very .... creative ..... this year in adding players. Did they pick the top players on their board no matter the position? I dunno. However, they did add players to address the weakest positions on the team. (and they really aren't holes) They build up units, and even if certain guys don't start, they should contribute.

We added 5 guys who are probably going to start on this team, who didn't last year: OBJ, Vernon, Richardson, Burnett, and probably Greedy. OBJ and Greedy are going to push guys who are starter quality down the roster a spot. We added 2 LB, but I don't know if either will start this year. I do think that they'll contribute though. Same thing with the Safety we drafted. I don't think he starts this year, but I do think he contributes.

I have a great deal of trust in the Browns triumvirate of Dorsey, Wolf, and Highsmith. We'll see how these guys develop and contribute over the next couple of years.


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I don’t know about the other teams in the AFCN but this was an odd draft for the Browns for a lot of reasons. I won’t grade it because it’s stupid to grade a draft immediately afterward when, if we’re being honest, we don’t know the vast majority of the players after the 2nd or 3rd round. Got to see how it plays out. Other than Greedy, I hadn’t really heard of any of them. But we hit the DB and LB positions hard and picked up a G so position-wise I have no complaints exactly. Wish we got an OT, I guess that’s one complaint. We were very focused on coverage specifically, that’s obvious. The kicker pick is strange considering his mediocre distance numbers but whatever. If he turns out to be good, then great.

Last year I felt great after the draft. I’m wrong all the time (just ask my wife) but I was actually 100% in with the Mayfield pick. I wasn’t sure about the Ward pick but loved the Chubb and Thomas picks. I didn’t know who Avery or Calaway or the others were so maybe this year is like last year and I’ll be happily surprised.




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Looking at the other teams: Steelers had a HR draft IMO


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Round 2 (46): CB Greedy Williams, LSU

Round 3 (80): LB Sione Takitaki, BYU

Round 4 (119): S Sheldrick Redwine, Miami (Fla.)

Round 5 (155): LB Mack Wilson, Alabama

Round 5 (170): K Austin Seibert, Oklahoma

Round 6 (189): G Drew Forbes, Southeast Missouri

Round 7 (221): CB Donnie Lewis, Tulane

Day 1:

The Browns traded away their first-round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft for Giants wideout Odell Beckham Jr.

Day 2:

Cleveland may have been without a first-round pick in this year’s draft, but they still managed to come away from Day 2 with a first-round talent in former LSU cornerback Greedy Williams. A sticky man corner with some of the best match-and-mirror ability in the 2019 class, Williams was highway robbery at pick No. 46 in this year’s draft. Johns Dorsey was smart to sprint his card in for Williams even with tackling concerns in his game.

Sione Takitaki, a former edge defender turned off-ball linebacker at BYU, earned an 88.6 run-defense grade in 2018, ranking tied for 13th among qualifiers. He also earned a 75.9 coverage grade across 365 coverage snaps in 2018. Though there’s a lot to like about his skillset and positional versatility, Takitaki was a bit of a reach at pick No. 80 having landed at pick No. 109 on PFF’s final big board.

Day 3:

PFF wasn’t nearly as high on ‘Bama linebacker Mack Wilson as others in this year’s draft, but he was still a value pick at No. 155 for the Browns. Wilson checks a lot of boxes in that he’s as a former five-star recruit coming out of Alabama, but he’s yet to prove he can turn his limitless potential into results on the field. In his last two years with the Crimson Tide, Wilson earned sub-72.0 overall grades.

DRAFT GRADE: AVERAGE

PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Round 1 (10): LB Devin Bush, Michigan

Round 2 (66): WR Diontae Johnson, Toledo

Round 3 (83): CB Justin Layne, Michigan State

Round 4 (122): RB Benny Snell, Kentucky

Round 5 (141): TE Zach Gentry, Michigan

Round 6 (175): Edge Sutton Smith, Northern Illinois

Round 6 (192): DL Isaiah Buggs, Alabama

Round 6 (192): LB Ulysees Gilbert, Akron

Round 7 (219): OT Derwin Gray, Maryland

Day 1:

The Steelers had to give up picks Nos. 20 and 52 in the 2019 NFL Draft and a third-rounder in the 2020 NFL Draft to get him, but former Michigan off-ball linebacker Devin Bush has a very good chance to be worth the extra draft capital if he can bring his play in Ann Arbor to Pittsburgh. He is a freakishly athletic linebacker with outstanding coverage and pass-rushing ability compared to his peers in this year’s class. He’s also a tone-setter on the defensive side of the ball who craves contact and knows how to lay the boom. He also earned 90.2 and 85.0 overall grades in 2017 and 2018, respectively.

“I think Bush is perfect for what the Steelers want from the linebacker position.” – Pro Football Focus’ Lead Draft Analyst Mike Renner

Day 2:

A favorite of practically everyone at the PFF offices, Toledo wide receiver Diontae Johnson is a superb route runner that will be a nightmare for opposing defensive backs to match and mirror at the next level. Pro Football Focus’ Lead Draft Analyst Mike Renner says it best in that “Johnson just moves differently.” Production fell off a bit for Johnson when AAF superstar Logan Woodside left Toledo after the 2017 season, but Big Ben should help DJ return to form in Pittsburgh.

Michigan State cornerback Justin Layne’s 89.5 coverage grade last year was ninth-best among Power-5 corners in the nation. Pegged as PFF’s No. 39 overall player in the class, Layne is quite the steal for the Steelers at pick No. 83.

Day 3:

Likely too small to play edge defender at the next level, the 6-foot, 233-pound Sutton Smith should make the transition to off-ball linebacker and bring pass-rush upside in the NFL. He recorded 65 total pressures as an edge defender with Northern Illinois in 2018, good for the second-most pressures in the FBS. He finished the pre-draft process ranked 199th in the class.

After earning a 78.0 overall grade and an 89.2 run-defense grade in 2017, Alabama’s Isaiah Buggs regressed in a larger role in 2018. Predominantly playing edge defender, he earned a 71.6 overall grade and a 74.7 run-defense grade across 747 defensive snaps this past season.

DRAFT GRADE: ABOVE AVERAGE

BALTIMORE RAVENS
Round 1 (25): WR Marquise Brown, Oklahoma

Round 3 (85): Edge Jaylon Ferguson, Louisiana Tech

Round 3 (93): WR Miles Boykin, Notre Dame

Round 4 (113): RB Justice Hill, Oklahoma State

Round 4 (123): G Ben Powers, Oklahoma

Round 4 (127): CB Iman Marshall, USC

Round 5 (160): DI Daylon Mack, Texas A&M

Round 6 (197): QB Trace McSorley, Penn State

Day 1:

Earning 85.2 and 85.0 overall grades in 2017 and 2018, Oklahoma wideout Marquise Brown is a big play waiting to happen that only fell to No. 25 due to injury. Brown was a threat to take it to the house every time he touched the ball last season – he broke 17 tackles on 77 catches and scored 10 touchdowns in 2018.

“From a team-building perspective, this was the type of receiver that they should have been targeting, that you want in Baltimore… He is going to be tough for opposing defensive backs, very much Desean Jackson-esque in that regard.” – Pro Football Focus’ Lead Draft Analyst Mike Renner

Day 2:

Former Louisiana Tech edge defender Jaylon Ferguson recorded 64 total pressures in 2018, the third-most of any FBS edge defender in this year’s class. He also ranked fifth among qualifiers in pass-rush win percentage at 23.4%. However, his poor athleticism and change of direction limit him in the NFL. He doesn’t win with speed or athleticism, forcing him to rely on bull-rush moves more than he’ll likely get away with at the next level. He finished the pre-draft process as PFF’s No. 143 overall player.

A smart, improving wideout coming out of Notre Dame, Miles Boykin is a freakish athlete with all the potential in the world to be special in the NFL. He blew the doors off the 2019 NFL Scouting Combine and impressed many, including PFF’s Austin Gayle, in interviews. He also has some of the best hands in college football with only three drops on 62 catchable passes this past season.

Day 3:

Texas A&M defensive interior Daylon Mack and Oklahoma guard Ben Powers were two solid additions for the Ravens on Day 3. Mack performed well at the Senior Bowl and turned in a strong 2018 season with Texas A&M in 2018, earning an 80.2 overall grade and an 81.2 run-defense grade across his 491 defensive snaps. Powers earned 87.8 and 88.9 pass-blocking grades with Oklahoma in 2017 and 2018, respectively. He allowed just 21 total pressures across 1,177 pass-blocking snaps in his three-year college career.

USC cornerback Iman Marshall, a favorite of Sam Monson’s in this class, is another solid addition for Baltimore on Day 3. Marshall recorded a 30.2% forced incompletion percentage in 2018, ranking fourth among draft-eligible cornerbacks with at least 25 targets.

DRAFT GRADE: AVERAGE

CINCINNATI BENGALS
Round 1 (11): OT Jonah Williams, Alabama

Round 2 (52): TE Drew Sample, Washington

Round 3 (72): LB Germaine Pratt, NC State

Round 4 (104): QB Ryan Finley, NC State

Round 4 (125): DI Renell Wren, Arizona State

Round 4 (136): G Michael Jordan, Ohio State

Round 6 (182): RB Trayvon Williams, Texas A&M

Round 6 (210): LB Deshaun Davis, Auburn

Round 6 (211): RB Rodney Anderson, Oklahoma

Round 7 (223): CB Jordan Brown, South Dakota State

Day 1:

Pro Football Focus’ No. 4 overall player in the class, offensive tackle Jonah Williams was a steal for Cincinnati at pick No. 11 in the first round of the 2019 NFL Draft. While many want to kick him inside to guard, Williams should have his chance to prove himself at tackle in the NFL after earning impressive run-blocking and pass-blocking grades as a three-year starter with ‘Bama split between right and left tackle. Williams’ high-end production should translate to the next level quite easily.

Day 2:

Among draft-eligible FBS tight ends with at least 300 offensive snaps played in 2018, Sample ranked 14th in overall grade (75.5) and first in run-blocking grade (82.3). But Sample’s admirable efforts as a blocker still shouldn’t have warranted such a high selection on Friday. The former Washington tight end entered the draft as the No. 192 overall player in the class on PFF’s final big board.

NC State’s Germaine Pratt doesn’t enter the NFL with great coverage ability, but his pass-rushing ability and run defense were both outstanding last season. Earning an 84.7 pass-rush grade and a 90.3 run-defense grade, Pratt turned in the seventh-best overall grade (90.3) among qualifying off-ball linebackers in this class in 2018. PFF was higher on other off-ball linebackers still available at pick No. 72, but Pratt still wasn’t as big of a reach as Sample given that he landed at No. 115 on our board.

Day 3:

Cincinnati traded up on Day 3 to snag former NC State quarterback Ryan Finley at the top of the fourth round, a great move on all accounts. Largely because the board reflects positional value, Finley was slotted as a top-100 player for PFF in this year’s class and well worth the No. 104 selection. He lacks the type of arm strength most would like to see at the NFL level, but throw for throw he’s one of the most accurate QBs in the class.

Former South Dakota State cornerback Jordan Brown, PFF’s No. 150 overall player, was another great value pick for the Bengals on Day 3. Brown is a big, physical cornerback who dominated lesser FCS competition in his career at South Dakota State.

DRAFT GRADE: AVERAGE


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i'd agree with that; Pitt had the best draft


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Cleveland Browns: B-

The Browns were in the unfamiliar position of tweaking a strong roster instead of trying to launch a rebuild. Their first-round pick went to the Giants this offseason in the Odell Beckham Jr. trade. They’re certainly fine with how that turned out. Getting CB Greedy Williams midway through the second round was another solid move by GM John Dorsey.

Drafty grade from WaPo..

I agree with the first sentence.


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Draft picks: Oklahoma WR Marquise Brown (No. 25 overall); Louisiana Tech OLB Jaylon Ferguson (No. 85); Notre Dame WR Miles Boykin (No. 93); Oklahoma State RB Justice Hill (No. 113); Oklahoma OG Ben Powers (No. 123); USC CB Iman Marshall (No. 127); Texas A&M DT Daylon Mack (No. 160); Penn State QB Trace McSorley (No. 197)
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: A
Day 3 grade: A
Overall grade: A
Draft analysis: Multiple NFL general managers told me they would have a hard time picking Brown, a 166-pound receiver, in the first round. Sure, he lacks size, but his talent reminds me of DeSean Jackson, who was also under 170 pounds at the NFL Scouting Combine when he came out. If Brown has that sort of career, the Ravens will have done well. Plus, they gained two Day 3 picks (Nos. 127 and 197) by trading down three spots in a deal with the Eagles and still selecting the guy they likely wanted at No. 22.

Ferguson joins former third-round pick Tim Williams as a developing pass rusher for the Ravens. Ferguson could have gone much earlier, so I suspect Baltimore fans will come to appreciate his talents. Adding a larger receiver in Boykin made sense with the lack of wideout depth for Ravens.

Hill brings speed and underrated toughness to complement Mark Ingram. Powers could take over for Marshal Yanda as a starter eventually. Marshall was a great pick for Baltimore because they will eventually need to replace Jimmy Smith and Brandon Carr. Mack is yet another sparkplug in the middle for the Ravens. McSorley would seem to fit the Ravens' current offense and could contribute at another position, if needed.

Cincinnati Bengals
Draft picks: Alabama OT Jonah Williams (No. 11 overall); Washington TE Drew Sample (No. 52); N.C. State LB Germaine Pratt (No. 72); N.C. State QB Ryan Finley (No. 104); Arizona State DT Renell Wren (No. 125); Ohio State C Michael Jordan (No. 136); Texas A&M RB Trayveon Williams (No. 182); Auburn LB Deshaun Davis (No, 210); Oklahoma RB Rodney Anderson (No. 211); South Dakota State CB Jordan Brown (No. 223)
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: C+
Day 3 grade: A
Overall grade: A-
Draft analysis: Cincinnati desperately needed help at offensive tackle, and Williams proved he can handle playing on the left or right side at Alabama. With both of the top inside linebackers off the board, this pick made a whole lot of sense. Just a solid pick.

Sample was considered one of the better combination tight ends (run blocker/receiver) in the draft, and the new Bengals coaching staff wanted that sort of player on the roster. It was probably two rounds too early, though. Pratt will be a good inside 'backer for Cincinnati, which needed to replace Vontaze Burfict.

Finley has the chance to be a starter eventually, whether it is in Cincinnati after the Andy Dalton era concludes or with another team via trade. Wren's athleticism is just waiting to be tapped by the right coach -- don't be surprised if he becomes a top-notch starter. Jordan is a guard for the Bengals, who could use an upgrade there. Mark Walton's departure made Williams a must-pick, given his value. Anderson's injury history caused him to fall into the sixth round, but that pick could pay off if he can get healthy. The addition of Brown's coverage ability closed a strong draft for the Bengals.

Cleveland Browns
Draft picks: LSU CB Greedy Williams (No. 46 overall); BYU LB Sione Takitaki (No. 80); Miami S Sheldrick Redwine (No. 119); Alabama LB Mack Wilson (No. 155); Oklahoma K Austin Seibert (No. 170); Southeast Missouri OG Drew Forbes (No. 189); Tulane CB Donnie Lewis (No. 221)
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: B+
Day 3 grade: A
Overall grade: A-
Draft analysis: To become a legitimate playoff contender in the AFC, the Browns needed another offensive weapon. They were certainly not likely to find a player of Odell Beckham's caliber available to them at No. 17, the first-round pick they sent to the Giants in the OBJ swap. Giving up a late third-round pick and safety Jabrill Peppers as part of the deal was not exorbitant, either, and Cleveland signed veteran Morgan Burnett to help replace Peppers.

The Browns made their pick in this year's draft on Friday night, as GM John Dorsey parted with a fifth-round pick to move up three spots for Williams, who will be a factor in coverage early in his career with Cleveland. Takitaki is a solid linebacker prospect who will contribute right away; he had varying grades across the league, though.

Redwine's versatility made him worth a fourth-round selection, and Wilson was a big value in the fifth round. Seibert was the best kicker in the draft. Forbes could play tackle or guard for the Browns. Lewis was a good find in the seventh.

Pittsburgh Steelers
Draft picks: Michigan LB Devin Bush (No. 10 overall); Toledo WR Diontae Johnson (No. 66); Michigan State CB Justin Layne (No. 83); Kentucky RB Benny Snell (No. 122); Michigan TE Zach Gentry (No. 141); Northern Illinois Edge Sutton Smith (No. 175); Alabama DT Isaiah Buggs (No. 192); Akron LB Ulysees Gilbert (No. 207); Maryland OT Derwin Gray (No. 219)
Day 1 grade: A-
Day 2 grade: A-
Day 3 grade: B
Overall grade: A-
Draft analysis: I was so happy to see two inside linebackers go in the top 10 picks. Bush is worthy of that investment, as he moves like a safety and pounds ball-carriers with impunity. The picks they parted with to move up in the deal with the Broncos -- Pittsburgh sent them a 2019 second-round pick (No. 52) and 2020 third-rounder -- isn't a ridiculous price to pay, but the Steelers could have found a much-needed corner had they stayed at No. 20 and a starting inside 'backer in the second round (or later).

Pittsburgh hopes it found another steal at receiver by picking up Johnson, who has the toughness, hands and quickness to excel. He may have been available later in the draft, but honestly, how can I doubt GM Kevin Colbert's call on a receiver? Layne was a typical Colbert-like value in the third round, and he'll quickly earn playing time.

Snell is another powerful runner who will continue to pound defenses when James Conner and Jaylen Samuels aren't in the game. Gentry could become a player in time, though there were four or five other tight ends available with higher grades. The team hopes Gray can eventually take over the right tackle spot

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To become a legitimate playoff contender in the AFC, the Browns needed another offensive weapon.


QB: Mayfield
RB: Chubb, Duke, Hunt, Hilliard
TE: Njoku, DeValve, Harris
WR: OBJ, Landry, Callaway, Higgins

Where? Could they use another? I suppose that even the greatest team of all time "could have used" another weapon ....... but need one? I just don't see some glaring need that must be filled in order to be a playoff team.


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When you are 30th in defense, your draft had better be heavy in defense.

I think that last years draft was heavy in offense, those players are still developing...

And OBJ is a weapon...


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
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To become a legitimate playoff contender in the AFC, the Browns needed another offensive weapon.


QB: Mayfield
RB: Chubb, Duke, Hunt, Hilliard
TE: Njoku, DeValve, Harris
WR: OBJ, Landry, Callaway, Higgins

Where? Could they use another? I suppose that even the greatest team of all time "could have used" another weapon ....... but need one? I just don't see some glaring need that must be filled in order to be a playoff team.
I believe the writer is talking about the acquisition of Beckham by trading the first round pick as addressing the need for another offensive weapon.


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You're probably right. I think I did mis-read that.


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You're probably right. I think I did mis-read that.


Yeah, read this part:

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They were certainly not likely to find a player of Odell Beckham's caliber available to them at No. 17, the first-round pick they sent to the Giants in the OBJ swap.


He was talking about before the OBJ trade when he said we needed another offensive weapon.

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Given each team's assets going into the draft, I think each of the 4 did well ... I think Pitt had the best draft, followed by Baltimore, then us and Cincy


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Some might object to this, but I think you have to factor in us acquiring OBJ into our draft grade.

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Some might object to this, but I think you have to factor in us acquiring OBJ into our draft grade.


A few sites I read included the Phins acquiring Rosen for picks in their 2019 draft grade. Only makes sense.


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it just gets tricky when it's more than the pick/player that are traded ... its multiple picks and players involved


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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i'd agree with that; Pitt had the best draft


Not if you include OBJ as part of our draft. It's not even close.


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i'd agree with that; Pitt had the best draft


Not if you include OBJ as part of our draft. It's not even close.


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well, yes, but as I stated somewhere else ... adding players you traded for becomes tricky

I mean, just by the actually PICKS from this weekend, Pitt had a better draft than us IMO


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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When grades are handed out after the draft what is the criterion based upon?

Does that not have to be established before?

Because what I see is that the grades are opinions by analysts based upon their individual opinions of players.

Hard for me to understand how you can assign a grade when the player has not played a down and you are not inside the team to understand their options.

The way I look at the Browns draft for this year is: at pick 17 we got Odell. Who is a proven player, under contract with his prime in front of him.

Second round selection Greedy Williams was considered by most to be a first round or top second round talent. He could compete immediately.

The rest are unknowns until camp opens and we see how they fare competing for a spot on the roster.

I don't think grading the draft at this point means a damn thing.

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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
well, yes, but as I stated somewhere else ... adding players you traded for becomes tricky

I mean, just by the actually PICKS from this weekend, Pitt had a better draft than us IMO


I think Pit's draft is being overrated from a value standpoint somewhat.

I think Bush is a good LB, but I don't think he's Shazier. I'm not sure he's as good in coverage as he is attacking, and his lack of size/length will show up more there in the NFL. Worth a shot at 10 perhaps, but the trade up was a bit pricy.

I also think people are somewhat assuming the WR will be amazing because of their track record. He could be good, but I think he's being inflated a bit because of who picked him.

I think Layne still has developing to do, and they've had a not so good track record there.

I like Buggs for them.

The rest weren't "bad" picks, but no one that really concerns me. I don't think any of them will start or see big roles. Possibly Snell, but he's fairly similar to Conner.

I think our picks have more potential. Whether or not we'll see all of it remains to be seen.

I think their picks are fairly maxed out outside of Layne. I suppose the TE has untapped potential, too, but some flaws he'll have to work hard to overcome.

I'd give them a B for the class, but wouldn't be surprised if it looked worse down the road. I would be surprised if it looked better. Think they did a bit too much chasing ghosts (Trying to replace former stars vs. seeing what is there now.)

I'd probably give us a similar grade now. Maybe a B-. But, I see the possibility of it going higher.

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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
well, yes, but as I stated somewhere else ... adding players you traded for becomes tricky

I mean, just by the actually PICKS from this weekend, Pitt had a better draft than us IMO


I understand what you're saying, but if you count pit's first round pick, you have to count ours, or it's not apples to apples.


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Pretty early to grade something that has yet to be proven IMO. Fun exercise, though. Remains to be seen how it will all work out for this division. I like our chances.


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Beyond Greedy, the rest of this draft looks like it’ll really pay dividends in 2-3 years. About the time that past regime guys like Kirksey and Joe will likely be moved. About the time Garrett is in his prime. We drafted young, athletic, raw, but hungry talent. Guys that play with speed and attitude by all accounts. I’m not looking for them to all be starters but if one of the LBs and another DB or two, besides Greedy, hits, in 2020-21 this roster will be stacked.... more so than what it is today.
This is a passing league. The overall game speed because of spread concepts has increased. It appears our roster is being built with that in mind. Also maybe with the mindset we’ll be playing with the lead often times. Our D us built with penetrating D linemen. Fast LBs. DBs that can cover and fly to the ball. Enough quality DBs to run nickel and dime packages. Sub packages to counter ‘come from behind’ passing sprees and the Raven’s spread/read option.
It’s up to the coaches to develop these young players. If they can we can make multiple runs at a championship.... or two... or more.


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I've seen quite a few people angry with the Kicker pick ... IMO, if he turns out good it's a GREAT pick


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
it just gets tricky when it's more than the pick/player that are traded ... its multiple picks and players involved


I'm not real worried about the criteria of the media folks. I am more concerned w/how much each team improves or slides during the off season.

I am counting OBJ, Hunt, and others into my evaluation of how much better or worse this team is. I like what the Browns did this offseason. I don't care if certain things don't match up w/someone else's criteria.

No offense to you. I know you are just stating the opinions of others. But, I don't care if the "others" are offended. LOL

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I saw where the Browns signed UDFA Wyatt Ray (DE/OLB) from Boston College. quite a few publications out there had him drafted in the 3rd rd. not sure why he went undrafted.

not as a good draft class as last year, but we got OBJ for the 17th pick... and he is just entering his prime.

Browns hopefully filled some holes on the defensive side of the ball and we got a placekicker that will be in competition with Joseph.


Steelers on paper got some really good draft picks on both sides of the ball.

Ravens got better on paper on Offense, but not much on defense.

Bengals i think got alot from the draft. but those players may not see the field out side of the OT, until 2020.

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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Given each team's assets going into the draft, I think each of the 4 did well ... I think Pitt had the best draft, followed by Baltimore, then us and Cincy

I would agree with that statement.. but here is the reason I would still rather be the Browns.. Baker Mayfield.

Steelers have a QB who has a couple years left at best and no plan B. Bengals have a so-so QB and the new kid out of NCSU... the Ravens have a run first QB who is very exciting but hasn't proven he can beat anybody if he has to throw the ball...

For once, we are in the best position at the one position that matters most going forward.


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I think and thought when the Ravens took a WR (Brown) good luck to him playing with Jackson.

IMO the Ravens need a QB a fact I believe that will be born out once the season gets underway.

Pitt has shown they are very good at drafting and developing LBers and WR's, that may change as Ben ages. They to need a QB in the not so distant future.

Cincy is Cincy they will suck with Dalton doing his usual hot then ice cold. They need a QB too !

We are absolutely loaded with or without the draft. That has to translate into wins and IMO we need to see how the pieces we added fit. By keeping our future draft in order we can make those adjustments, for the deals that weren't made and by keeping everything in order going forward I loved our draft. The key IMO to our draft was waiting for that I give our draft a A+.


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Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
I think and thought when the Ravens took a WR (Brown) good luck to him playing with Jackson.


This.

Balt is all in on Jackson, and need to do something to address the lack of accuracy. Getting help at WR can help a bit, if you get a WR that can fight for catches in traffic, and win the 50-50 (or in Jackson's case, the 30-70) balls.

We got faster on D, which will help us against Lamar's one dimension. So did Pitt.

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I agree to an extent.

I think if the Ravens stick with Jackson and do it right, they'll be ok. I think they have the perfect back-up for him, RG3. RG3 became one of my favorite players and wish he hadn't gotten injured so soon here. I don't like that he's with the Ravens, but I can completely see a scenario where Jackson gets hurt or struggles and RG3 comes in and plays pretty well. I'm worried about that scenario actually.

I'm surprised the Bengals didn't go with Haskins. I wonder how well they can develop Finley into their next QB. I saw some were high on this kid.

Unfortunately, I think the Steelers will be fine when Ben retires and Rudolph steps in. I'm not saying he's Aaron Rodgers, but I can see a similar scenario play out with Ben/Mason that went along with Brett/Aaron.... I hope I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted By: devicedawg

I agree to an extent.

I think if the Ravens stick with Jackson and do it right, they'll be ok. I think they have the perfect back-up for him, RG3. RG3 became one of my favorite players and wish he hadn't gotten injured so soon here. I don't like that he's with the Ravens, but I can completely see a scenario where Jackson gets hurt or struggles and RG3 comes in and plays pretty well. I'm worried about that scenario actually.

I'm surprised the Bengals didn't go with Haskins. I wonder how well they can develop Finley into their next QB. I saw some were high on this kid.

Unfortunately, I think the Steelers will be fine when Ben retires and Rudolph steps in. I'm not saying he's Aaron Rodgers, but I can see a similar scenario play out with Ben/Mason that went along with Brett/Aaron.... I hope I'm wrong.


I doubt that Rudolph is ever the full time starter for the Steelers.

I think the Steelers will look for their future in next year's draft.


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Maybe not... and I hope not. I hope they don't find anyone and use 40 quarterbacks the next 20 years. And I wouldn't wish what we went through for the past 20 years on anyone, but the Steelers deserve it.

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Jackson obviously makes or breaks Baltiomre ... and I dont think there will be any in between


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Baltimore's draft looks really boom or bust to me. Throw in some health questions, and it's just really hard to predict.

Cinci's draft looks solid, but not spectacular. Anderson might end up being their best pick, but he has to show he can stay healthy.

I do like Jonah Williams, and he plays a position they needed to shore up. He really grew on me over the course of the process. I don't think he'll ever be dominant in the run game, but his technique and approach should have him be able to keep their QB cleaner than the past few they've trotted out at OT for a long time.

Pratt could be a solid player for them, but I was lower on him than most. Has some interesting traits, but they don't seem to come together most of the time. He's a redshirt senior who was in his first year starting.

It's kind of funny that they "replaced" Dalton with a rather similar player. Not the greatest arm and tends to choke in big games.


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