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13 1/2 Sacks is pretty good for being predictable

Unleash the beast. What are we looking at here, 17 sacks? I wish I had a buck for every time he got called for offsides last year when his speed and timing off the ball were precisely at the snap. I'd have at least three or four bucks, and he'd have at least that many more sacks.

Maybe it's a good thing we didn't keep Gregg Williams.

I wish I had a buck for Eve he got held and it wasn't called

We'll find out Week 2

Keep your hands off Eve, she'll kick your butt at any price.

I predict in either 2019 or 2020 Myles Garrett will break Michael Strahan's season sack record of 22.5 sacks

Gregg has not been a good coach in the new era of passing, his defenses were consistently in the bottom of the league, he played guys out of position and if even a part of what Mylses Garret said is true it confirms what I have believed since he got here. He is an antiquated coach…. A relic, someone who forces his system on the players and does not adapt to what they do well.


People liked him because he was vulgar not because he was elevating the play of our players.

JMO

I have a hard time watching Myles Garrett because I constantly see holding. Saying that, I am certainly no official and it may not be holding, but I scream at the TV so I pay less specific attention to him.

I thought even in the middle of his rookie year, if the Browns could just start winning, he might start getting those calls. Sounds paranoid but I truly believe successful teams/players get an advantage. I just seems like human nature to me. In your head there has to be an expectation for bad teams and good teams that influence how you call a game. I don't even blame them for calling it that way.

I would think that would be less so the lower the level of competition because the pros are so much more "famous" and their reputation precedes them.

Does this thougth process make sense to anyone.

Haha, that's funny. I know for sure the Eve can kick my butt. That was supposed to be everytime - doh

My money is on Eve. She can take him!

I agree w/you that Gregg Williams is a good coach. I didn't like the dude due to Bounty Gate, but he can coach.

Who knows what Gregg Williams reasoning was as to why he wanted Myles to only use two moves... That's interesting.

You guys are funny lol

I wanted him here and was so psyched when he took the position. He was the right man for the job at the time we needed attitude on defense the most. I count him as an integral part of the turnaround and for that, he will always hold a special place in my heart.

I would probably say because Myles didn't have the best handwork when he came to the league and Greg probably wanted him to improve on the basics for a couple of years so that his technique could catch up with his physical ability.

PastorMarc, I pray you are right. That would be a huge achievement for him. Do you think it would be tougher if some other edge rushers are getting more sacks as well? Or do we just turn him loose, kinda like where his 'vanilla' is a "meet me at the QB", unleash-the-Kraken kind of call? I think a ferocious vanilla would be fine. Puts me in mind of what we had with Romeo Crennel as DC, if I remember rightly. We were absolute agents of chaos in the sack stats.

I loved watching that side of the ball then. Pass the popcorn for this group.

Turn him loose and hope the refs don't allow OT's to hold him constantly, he had 13 1/2 sacks while being held, Double Teamed and Tackled on his way to the QB. If the refs let it be know if you hold him I will throw the flag then Katy bar the door

Gregg had a strange dichotomy. For all his talk of being aggressive and attacking, his scheme was inherently conservative in most ways.

Think of Peppers playing super deep or Schobert almost always dropping back.

We didn't really try to force the action that much. We did go for turnovers, but otherwise played things pretty safe. We always seemed to try to keep things in front of us.

While we did blitz a little less than 1/3 of the time, the coverage behind it seemed to often be rather conservative.

Contain seemed to be a large focus for our DEs. The moves he "allowed" would seem to be ones that still allow the DEs to be able to set the edge. An inside spin could give up that edge.

There are ways to mitigate that with quick thinking LBs.

That's not to say that ensuring there are few big plays is a bad thing. It is the desired outcome. Still, one would think there was a better way to go about it that didn't "hamstring" your best talent.

I think Gregg worried a bit too much about the running game in a passing league. Maybe worried about the outside run game too much to the detriment of our interior?

Knowing our DEs play outside almost exclusively and our MLB almost always drops does kind of leave a soft underbelly up the middle. Especially when both DTs are playing hurt.

Hmmmmmm...something for me to ponder.

jc

while i understand Myles with regards to Williams, our new DC better be all that and a bag of chips. im concerned about whether he was the right hire or not.

and he gets to work with a way more talent than williams got to, as well. we we're ranked 30th last year while still being young and having tons of injuries, even though we had the 2nd most turnovers.

going from 30th to 25th or something like isn't an improvement worth firing williams over.

Wilks better have our defense balling.

Lets think about how much Vernon is going to help his game!
I think they were ranked 14 and 15 overall Defensive ends.
This is going to be a great season for both. Hopefully this time next year we will have 2 top 10 Defensive ends O Lines cant stop both of them all day.

Gregg Williams is always the smartest guy in the room.
his ego is legendary and so his failures.
how many teams has he been with in his career?
7 8?
the team is better off without him.trust me.

Yet the Browns had the highest winning percentage per game when he was HC in how long? 5-8 wins. Hmmmmm....

J/C - Say what you like about Williams, he went 5-3 and brought some pride back to the Browns - obviously along with Freddie and finding ourselves legit playmakers.

I share some of the views with regards to his schemes but the man can coach and galvanized the team post the Hue firing when it could have all gone South.

I wish him nothing but the best except when he's on the opposing sideline.

Hopefully this is the Myles we get this season :

yet for some reason Browns ownwrship and front office elected to hire Kitchens over Williams.
Kitchens had never been a HC on any level.
GW has been a HC on different occasions.
Great GW won 5 games in a stretch that had one playoff team.
hes a cereer interim.
he never is one place for too long.

Yet I'm still not clear why you would be so derogatory towards a coach who was running this team at a time it turned around its entire season.

I'm not a huge GW fan. But I certainly enjoyed the 5-8 stretch we had in the last half of the 2018 season. And he was certainly a part of that. Now we can debate how big of a part he was, but he was here and the HC at the time.

Just a little confused why the need to take shots at him? I mean it's not like he left your mom at the alter or anything. I mean at least I don't think so.

nhaw

Oh, I'm quite happy with the selection of Kitchens as HC. What I'm having trouble understanding is why someone feels the need to disparage Williams. I'm not sure why someone would need to hurl personal insults towards him as I'm certainly not sure why him being here during the turnaround makes him a target for such comments from the poster I was addressing.

I think Freddie was the biggest factor for our turnaround by a wide margin. I just don't see how Williams derailed anything or got in Freddie's way so I'm not sure where his comments were coming from nor why.

can you imagine if GW was retained as HC how unhappy Garrett would have been?
He probally would hVe told Beckham..."Im Gregg Williams the HC...you can only run 3 routes this year"

Or, maybe GW had a method to his madness. Perhaps he can recognize a football player's skills better than the player can, when the player is 22 or so.

I'm with you Pit. Williams was put in a difficult position, and held the team together. He has true passion for the Browns, and I will always appreciate him for that. Without him holding it together, we may have never seen what Freddie could do. The whole thing could have fell apart very quickly.

I would like to add one thing though. I really feel that Baker, Landry, and Randall, to name a few, had just as much to do with the turnaround as the coaches did. I really feel the leadership Baker and the others showed was one of the main reasons the teams held together. I also think that that particular type of leadership is what is going to propel this team to the top of the league. What ever went on in that locker room as far as the players were concerned, is what makes me think that a turnaround is really coming to this franchise. These players genuinely play for each other IMO. That is what makes teams great.

I agree with this about MG, but not about Watt, unless you're talking about TJ Watt, because JJ Watt has been DPOY 3 times with Miller in the league.

I certainly agree that the players too deserve credit. In part I think Hue leaving had something to do with that as well. Once the players lose faith in their HC it doesn't take long for their performance to suffer from that.

I'm glad Hue was given an opportunity to see what he could do with some actual talent on the roster. After the coaching carousel we had here I think it was important to show coaches in the league that if you come to Cleveland, you will get a fair shot to succeed.

After what we witnessed in the first half of the season it would be very hard for anyone to say that Hue didn't get a fair shot and that it was obviously time for him to go.

Perhaps we needed Hue to remain another half year with the players revolting to get to this point. It's astonishing to me that it took some of our players less than 8 weeks to realize Hue's deficiencies and he was here 2.5 years.

It will also always bewilder me the amount of people who think good coaching is contingent on talent.

It's the little things like keeping Hue and realizing Kitchens is a great leader that have made the Browns who they are today. #butterflyeffect

Thast's a lot harder to determine when you don't have "real players".