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Freddie is awesome I like a man who tells it like it is !!!

I'd say more talking about how much being good on paper matters.

WATCH IT. I Love Kitchens.

This Kat GETS IT.

He came out with an Indians Hat on. His ONLY opening statement was wishing the Tribe luck today in the Home Opener.

Boom. Questions?

Love it.

I want to order a Browns jersey with Whoopty Hell on the back name panel. I will have to get on that today.

That jersey would work well if you bought a brown 1972 Ford Pinto to go with it.

My first car was a 1973 Gremlin. Maybe I can find another one. If that would work?

I knew someone with a Pacer who had attached cardboard fishes on long springs to the head-liner. He would drive down the street with the fish moving around like...in a fishbowl.

Browns GM Dorsey is ready for a successful season

https://www.news5cleveland.com/sports/browns/browns-gm-dorsey-is-ready-for-a-successful-season

By: Lauren Brill

BEREA, Ohio — Only two days removed from the 2019 NFL draft, Browns' general manager John Dorsey showed no signs of stress, exhaustion or even relief when he sat down to talk to News 5 about the state of the team. Dressed in his typical Browns sweatshirt, shorts and sneakers, Dorsey spoke in a chipper tone as he smiled while greeting me hello. His calmness in the wake of a GM’s busiest time of year may stem from the fact that this is a GM ready for a successful 2019 season.

“I would say 7-8-1 wasn’t a very successful season. We are third place in the AFC North. So I think what you have to do is you have unfinished business,” Dorsey said. “The mindset of this team is let’s go attack and be competitive in the AFC North.”

But to be competitive in the league, you need the best players on your roster to rise to the occasion.

There is uncertainty at the left tackle position; Joe Thomas left a massive hole after he retired following the 2017 season. This year, Dorsey signed Greg Robinson to a one-year deal, and Desmond Harrison signed as an undrafted rookie last season. Dorsey has yet to call either a long-term solution at the position.

“They are both really quality football players,” Dorsey said. ‘That’s one of those situations where let’s see how things pan out here.”

In recent years, especially in 2018, kicking errors have plagued the organization. The teamed signed Greg Joseph in the middle of the season last year and he made 17-20 field goals for the Browns. Nonetheless, Dorsey and company chose to draft kicker Austin Seibert in the fifth round. Many experts don’t see value in drafting a kicker, as there are often capable kickers available as undrafted free agents. But given how unstable the Browns have been in that position in recent seasons, Dorsey thought it would behoove the team.

“We want to create competition and I thought it was important to create competition at this position. And why not take the kicker we thought was the best kicker in this draft… just to apply competition that brings out the best in everybody,” Dorsey said.

Cornerback Greedy Williams is the highest draft pick for the Browns this year after they chose him in the second round with the 46th overall pick. In his post-draft press conference, he expressed confidence in himself as well as the team, mentioning the Super Bowl on multiple occasions. But even for a player that Dorsey described as very talented, he made it clear that there are no guarantees for him.

“It is good to set your expectations high, but you have to come to work and earn it. Right now he has been training for the draft. He forgets that there are other guys in the Cleveland Browns organization that have been training to play the game of football in the fall,” Dorsey said. “We are excited to have him. I think he is immensely talented, but he still has a lot to learn.”

And for those not necessarily battling for their job, Dorsey expects players to raise the bar consistently. Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield will enter the 2019 season a starter and will have more weapons this year than last year. While he broke a rookie record for touchdown passes with 27, Dorsey expects the second-year phenom to elevate his game in year two.

“I have always, going in from your first year to your second year, you make exponential strides. If you had to put it in the measurement category I would say 20 percent,” Dorsey said. “Now you can really refine your skills and work at your craft.”

While the draft may be over, Dorsey’s efforts to create a winning roster does not stop.

“We always look,” Dorsey said. “It is time to turn our focus back on the pro side of things to begin to see what players what niches can fit our need base moving forward.”

While Dorsey’s ultimate goal is to assemble a team that competes within the AFC North, his approach to achieve that goal is to create competition within his own team.

“I only know of one way of how to do things,” Dorsey said. “We are building this thing together and we are going to do it in a very systematic way.”

Not sure where to put this. But, it's the current odds for all the NFL teams at winning their division, making the playoffs and Superbowl, as well as the over/under for total wins during the regular season. The Browns are ranked high.

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/266...ams-2019-season

Sweet stuff this is!

Love this kind of talk. What difference the right guy makes. Love how Dorsey is nailing down loose ends, upgrading positions, trading up, and all the stuff he seems to manage. Best of luck to Dorsey and Freddie. One is on the paper, one on the field. Like our chances.

How much rope do we think Freddie has. I mean so far he's saying the right things, has a pretty good staff put together. But when you look at the moves made by Dorsey, it's clear we are built to win now. My biggest concern with FK is his inexperience. Yeah he's been a coach for years, but nothing more than a position coach. I think Dorsey has earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to what he does. So if he says FK is the guy then he's the guy. I have a good feeling about FK the more I hear him talk and interview. It seems he gets it and the mentality it takes to win. But what if we don't start winning or we have a bad season. Do we think Dorsey would make a change quickly or let it play out for a few seasons? I think the benchmark is Bakers rookie contract. We have to win before he's due another one because after that the team will more than likely have to restructure alot.

I think that Freddie will get a chance to develop, just like the rest of the team.

Two things that Freddie have going for him are the ability to see how players (and their abilities) best fit, and leadership. Those 2 things take you a long way as a coach. The question is what we used to call "managing the managers" when I was a general manager. He has to allow those under him to be creative, while still reining them in so that overall team plans and goals are not disrupted.

I think he can do it.

I think Freddie has all the rope he wants.

Two things about "experience":
1. Experience is that thing you get right after you needed it.
2. Experience is one of the single largest reasons people eventually stop trying new ways to do things they do regularly.

What I see with Freddy is a guy that has been around a looong time, yet still has the clarity of mind and vision to be innovative. He has PLENTY of knowledge & experience to know the ins and out of NFL offenses and defenses; he knows what works and how personnel affect those things --- and he isn't afraid to chuck it all aside and say "hey, ya know what... we've got the people that can do this, why don't we give that a try?!".

Dude is a straight-up Leader and isn't afraid to come at ya with something new while leaning on a heavy base of tried & tested. It is WAY too early for this comparison, but you want to know who that reminds me of? Bill Belichick.

making alot of assumptions about a guy that hasn't coached a single game at any level in the head seat. While I think he'll get some time...I believe if he don't produce or show growth quickly, they will move on.. They have a tight window. But this is the time to win now. Like I said, I think Freddie will be ok and none of it matters. I'm just playing What if as a possible scenario..and I'm probably middle of the road with freddie between being hue jackson and Belichick lol. I do love that he's a straight talker and doesn't use both sides of his mouth. WYSIWYG. The players I think will appreciate that and get behind him for that. I think the personalities in the coaches room mesh better than last year. I would love a hard knocks this season. This would have been 100x better than last year

I hope for Freddie's and the team’s sake, that our coordinators stick around for 2-3 years. That no one jumps ship after the 2019 season. Baring being fired for something stupid or obviously bad coaching or whatever.
It’d be nice if our coordinators could spend a few years implementing their schemes. The constant turnover around the league of coordinators leaving for a HC job only to suck and be back in a coordinator position in 2-3 years can’t be good overall for the league. It certainly can’t be good for the teams that gave their coaching staffs poached. The constant search for ‘the next hot coordinator’...to then lose them to a head coaching job... carousel needs slowed.
I’m all for guys trying to move up. I just wish there was more incentive to stay and build something. You’d think there would be. The thought of being an OC/DC with a chance for a multi championship run sounds more appealing than say, being the HC of the Titans. Maybe that’s me.

Freddie Kitchens told Greedy Williams: No more Super Bowl predictions

Posted by Michael David Smith on May 3, 2019, 3:03 PM EDTGetty Images

After he was drafted by the Browns, Greedy Williams declared, “the Browns are going to the Super Bowl this year.” His coach would prefer not to hear that.

Browns coach Freddie Kitchens said today that he talked to Williams and told him to knock it off.

“We’re not in the prediction business,” Kitchens said.

Still, Kitchens said he likes Williams and enjoys coaching players who have high expectations.

“I like the confidence, I like the excitement and passion he has,” Kitchens said. “He’s a really good kid and he was just full of excitement, and I like the excitement, I like the enthusiasm. He has a lot of both.

”There’s a lot of excitement and enthusiasm around the Browns this year, perhaps the most there’s been heading into any season since Cleveland returned to the NFL as an expansion team in 1999. But Kitchens would prefer that the Browns prove it with their actions on the field, not their words.

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I hope that Freddie is here for a long time. What concerns me is that expectations are very high and if this team doesn't live up to them this year, the coaching staff will be on the hottest of seats.

And if history is any indicator, I will go from preaching caution to having to defend him from the very guys who are praising him now.

I agree Vers. While I think he will succeed, the expectations many have will lead to some disappointment at some point. I also believe that if he stumbles at all, the lynch mob will be out.

It is weird though, I get this crazy feeling that he just might end up being our coach for many years. His backround working with great Head coaches, and his relationship with Parcells and Saban enabling him to lean on some great minds, lead me to believe he going to do well.

Watching what he did in his short stint last year, shows me that he is very aware of whats going on on the field. His personality and the way the players seem to really respect him lead me to believe that he understands how to motivate players. I think his lack of ego will go a long way in helping him succeed.

Time will tell, but in my gut, I have this crazy feeling that Kitchens is going to be a good to great head coach. He has the roster to succeed now, but fans need to remember that while our team has improved on paper, many other teams are making similar moves to improve. The league is not stagnant, people need to understand that this is not going to be smooth sailing just because of the talent we have. I'm with you just hoping that the fans and the media don't put unrealistic goals on this young team and young coach.

Let's hope the Browns win big and Freddie is our coach for a long, long time.

j/c:

Having good players should help him be a good coach. Make it a little easier to show it at least.

We can be worry warts....not me. It's like some all of a sudden want us to go from a team under Hue that won one game in a year and a half to a perfect team with no holes or question marks. It's not going to happen. You will never have a team without some weaknesses. No coach can be worse than Hue..even Pat Shurmer

There you go again. Can never let it go.

I would feel better if Freddie wasn't so big so he would be healthier to be here for a long long time.. I swear I want to write him and tell him to lose some weight so his health can handle this fan base

It is kinda hard to believe he was a QB at 'Bama.

The thing I think few people think about is that Freddie has come up under, and had the chance to observe, learn from and work under, some very good coaches in Saban, Parcells, Whisenhunt and Ariens. Even his time under Hue has value. Besides his time as a successful, Bama QB, he's worked his way up through the ranks, assisting at the college level before spending 12 years as an NFL assistant under those notable coaches. Conversely, take a guy like McVay who had a year under Jon Gruden, a few years under Mike Shanahan, and a couple of years under Jay Gruden, and it becomes apparent that through pedigree and experience, Freddie is ready.

I would add that he has shown he has a creative, tactical mind, and is a leader of men. A likable, pull no punches, honest, demands the best leader of men at that.

These are all qualities and circumstances that, in my view, are in a sense getting whitewashed by the "Aw shucks, I'm just me, wanna hear a joke" kind of guy he is. Beneath that humble exterior lies a passionate, take no prisoners, do whatever it takes, intense competitor.

So in my opinion, "length of rope" won't necessarily enter the equation because I expect, and I expect he expects, he will not only succeed but will succeed early and often. Add to that the incredibly talented team he has at his disposal, and we may see a Dorsey/Freddie winning tandem for a very long time.

IMO.. I think they both need each other to succeed. I find it very hard to believe that Dorsey operated this draft in a vacuum. I would like to think that Dorsey and Freddie had long talks about the team, the talent on the team and what they want to do scheme wise. I really doubt Freddie is winging this by himself. In addition the hires at DC and OC tell me that he is being given the tools to win.

He'll get a couple of years at least. If things don't go well in 2019, Dorsey isn't just going to fire the head coach he hired.

Btw, to add to what another poster said about his weight, Freddie has some gin blossoms, he might want to cut back on the beer and the fast food, he's a diabetic waiting to happen.

Freddie isn't going anywhere for at least a few years. Dorsey won't fire the coach he put his stamp of approval on for at least 3-4 years. These 2 guys seem to be very much in sync, get along very well, and understand their respective roles.

I was going to make a remark about Jared Lorenzen still playing QB, but decided to check first.

Came across these:

The NFL’s Unspoken Obesity Problem

‘Jared Lorenzen Project’ documentary series gets debut date on YouTube

'I saw that Jared and didn’t recognize him.' ESPN special hard for ex-UK quarterback to watch.

I thought that about Dorsey and Hue. That didn’t stop him from firing him so early in the season. Hopefully all this talk is premature and the Browns kick butt this year and beyond.

Dorsey didn't hire Hue.

He didn't say he hired him. He said that they got along well.

There's a huge difference between a guy you accept, and a guy you have personally put your seal of approval on, and made the decision to hire.

Yep, Dorsey could not have given a more non-answer answer about Hue during his 12/14/17 interview on WKNR.....

In Dorsey’s interview with ESPN Cleveland, the new G.M. was asked to echo the comment twice made by his boss, Jimmy Haslam, that Jackson definitely will return next season. Dorsey didn’t say “of course” or any other version of that message.

Here’s the question from Aaron Goldhammer: “There’s some reports out, and I just want to be clear about this, John, about you potentially at the end of the year, if the Browns don’t win a game, pushing for a coaching change. Are you willing to categorically say today that Hue Jackson will be the coach of the Browns in 2018?”

“I’ve always said I live in the present, and I build for the future,” Dorsey told Goldhammer. “I live in the present. Right now the sun’s out, the tarps are coming off the field, we’re practicing outside, we’re getting ready to play the Baltimore Ravens, which is a divisional game. That’s my sole focus. And then it’s also getting familiar with the whole layout and the organizational structure in terms of creating my daily routine.”

The response serves only to bolster the existing belief that Dorsey will be (or perhaps already is) making the case privately to Haslam that, in order to truly turn things around, Dorsey needs to assemble his own team — of players, executives, and coaches.

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Dorsey would fire Freddie if he thought the situation dictated it. Don't fool yourself.

It's way premature. We haven't even played a preseason game for people to complain about some of the coaching calls.

Pat Shurmer may be one of the worst coaches in NFL history along with Hue.

Talk about 2 guys with the deer in the headlights syndrome. Sheeeeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...