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Just reading all the hype going on about BQ becoming the future almighty savior of the Browns and I believe by his play, it looks like Charlie instead of focusing on proving everyone wrong, is believing it himself and he probably feels he is in a catch 22 situation and no matter how he performs, it will only be a matter of time before he is jettisoned by the organization as the starting QB and relegated to a career back-up......at least in the Browns family.
I hope for Charlie's sake, he performs a lot, lot better against the Bengals, because his self confidence must be shattered right now and only a great performance with a win is going to help this guy right now. JMHO
Also, as I have stated before, I'm not a Rip Scherer fan as our QB coach and yes, I know PS named him as an assistance coach, but, I think there are better QB coaches out there. I don't know where he is now but, I would have like us to sign Tom Clements.
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CF will never play in a Browns uniform again.
DA is now the lame duck
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I want Quinn to start against the Bengals, call me insane but thats what I want...
I don't like DA, Frye proved today that he doesn't have it, in fact he looked scared...
If Quinn didn't have the label *Rookie* he would be playing, because right now, he is the most talented QB on our team... I wanted Quinn to enter the draft last year so we could get him, so when he got him this year I was extremely happy, I've always thought he had what it took to lead a team and he's smart.
We're just delaying the inevitable... And the Bengals d isn't good, and the Lions exposed the Raiders D.
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just replying to your post after reading most of the posts today...
but who cares if he is a lame duck QB? If he played well, he would start the whole year and possibly open up opportunities to get a starting job with someone else in '08 or '09. I don't buy into this crap that his feelings are hurt and there is too much pressure on him, etc...
Dude needs to perform, he played probably the worst quarter of football I have seen and was benched accordingly. I'm willing to give him another chance next week, but after that, he'll be done as a Browns starting QB.
As a Browns fan, I just hope he man's up and has a good game whenever he gets a chance again.
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I've been a die-hard Frye supporter up until this game and I could care less if the Browns just released him tonight, move him to #3 on the depth chart and start either Quinn or DA vs. the Bengals. I'm sure Romeo didn't do Charlie any justice in helping Frye's confidence as a starting QB and his playing time with the starters basically got cut in half through Camp and Pre-Season because of Romeo's inability to properly coach. That was vital time for Frye to mesh with the O-line, RB and Receivers. Phil needs to call Romeo into his office and flip a coin "Heads" Romeo goes, "Tails" he stays.
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I don't want Quinn to start at all this year. I don't want another Tim Couch. I don't think the Browns can accomplish anything under this head coach. In my eyes right now Romeo is the problem. A head coach is someone who can get his team ready to play, and give them the encouragement they need to progress not stand with no emotion at all. New coach next year and Brady a year on the side lines and learning is the best thing in my thinking. Let Anderson play he had alot better control over the offense than Charlie Frye.
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I want Quinn to start against the Bengals, call me insane but thats what I want...
I don't like DA, Frye proved today that he doesn't have it, in fact he looked scared...
If Quinn didn't have the label *Rookie* he would be playing, because right now, he is the most talented QB on our team... I wanted Quinn to enter the draft last year so we could get him, so when he got him this year I was extremely happy, I've always thought he had what it took to lead a team and he's smart.
We're just delaying the inevitable... And the Bengals d isn't good, and the Lions exposed the Raiders D.
Do you really want to throw Quinn into that meat grinder like we saw today?
Did you see the thing they put on TV about all the QBs we have had? Our QBs sucked today but so did the Special teams, O-line, WRs and the whole Defense. Even KW had a penalty on the one time Charlie was moving the team.
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WinslowBodden,the Bengals don't have a great defense,but its not the worst like its percieved around these parts.
Justin Smith and Robert Geathers aren't exactly chopped liver. They combined for 19 sacks last year. The Bengals led the NFL In sacks in the preseason,so they were doing something right.Geathers will be a good test for Joe Thomas.
Domata Peko is up and coming DT who had a very good preseason.
The key to the Bengals defense is how much playmaking ability they can get out of MLB Ahmed Brooks.....
Johnathon Josepth is on the verge of being a very very good CB......Madeiu Williams looks to have regained his rookie form and his shoulder is %100 now..
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I'm not saying your guys defense is absolutely terrible, just bad compared to Oakland/Baltimore/New England.
I want to see Quinn... This isn't the 1999 Browns, we have talent this year... We have a good o-line (Frye got sacked so much because he took so damn long to get rid of the ball, thats a fact, not opinion.)
Quinn will also have some decent players to throw to, I have confidence in him, hes smart, hes got poise, hes got the arm, and he is better than Frye and Anderson, the only thing holding him back is the label *rookie*
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Chud is an idiot, it is all his fault. Frye is at his best rolling out of the pocket, not 1 play was designed with him rolling out of the pocket.
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Frye is an okay QB, not sure if he has what it takes. I thought he did, but watching him today just kinda put a pin in my balloon w/ him...
Brady Quinn is up next IMO... If he's so NFL ready, and if he's needed, go ahead and put him in after the Pats..
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Chud is an idiot, it is all his fault. Frye is at his best rolling out of the pocket, not 1 play was designed with him rolling out of the pocket.
And that right there is a BIG HINT to what they thought about Frye coming into the year if they put in an O that doesn't fit him.
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Kosar..........long time no see....lol. Anyway, Chud isn't an idiot...........he knew CF didn't fit the O and is why they tried all off season to upgrade the position. Brady wasn't the 1st time they tried to replaced Fry in the off season.
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Chud is an idiot, it is all his fault. Frye is at his best rolling out of the pocket, not 1 play was designed with him rolling out of the pocket.
And that right there is a BIG HINT to what they thought about Frye coming into the year if they put in an O that doesn't fit him.
Which is why they kept Anderson, waived Dorsey, and drafted Quinn.....
The next question is, why did they decide to stay with Frye ??? I backed the idea of Frye starting, not Quinn, because I didn't want Quinn to learn from being knocked repeatedly to the ground. I will also back the idea of starting Anderson for the same reason.
We all knew the first six games would be Hell, though most of us hoped it wouldn't be as bad as Pittsburgh made it look.... The season is just beginning. You have to fall down a few times before you learn to walk....
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"...Do you really want to throw Quinn into that meat grinder like we saw today?"
I'm just curious about this...what does it gain us to have BQ on the bench learning behind two subpar QBs.
Why wait until 2008-2009 season to start BQ...unless you know of some drastic transformation which will occur to our offensive team between now and then?
Start him next week...let him learn on the job...let him take his lumps and create his turnovers. Let him grow into the position by playing not by sitting and watching an ineffective offensive squad lose more and more confidence behind an overmatched QB in Frye or DA.
So what is the worst that will happen this season that wouldn't happen next year???
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"...Do you really want to throw Quinn into that meat grinder like we saw today?"
I'm just curious about this...what does it gain us to have BQ on the bench learning behind two subpar QBs.
Why wait until 2008-2009 season to start BQ...unless you know of some drastic transformation which will occur to our offensive team between now and then?
Start him next week...let him learn on the job...let him take his lumps and create his turnovers. Let him grow into the position by playing not by sitting and watching an ineffective offensive squad lose more and more confidence behind an overmatched QB in Frye or DA.
So what is the worst that will happen this season that wouldn't happen next year???
What is the worst that will happen???? Injury and loss of confidence. We won't win if Quinn doesn't know the offense. He can't practice to gain knowledge now, because all practice time is spent in game preparation. A game plan based on Quinn's limited knowledge would cause more problems than it would help. Quinn's hold out hurt him as well as the team. Like it or not, Anderson/Frye give us a better chance to win than Quinn does.....
Kinda scary isn't it...?
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It would not surprise me if Frye gets cut and they bring back Dorsey to mentor BQ. I think Anderson will start against the Bengals.
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It would not surprise me if Frye gets cut and they bring back Dorsey to mentor BQ. I think Anderson will start against the Bengals.
I'm throwing this out there because I honestly would not be surprised to hear that tomorrow we'll release Frye.
His confidence is so...SO gone.
As far as starting Quinn next week...I think a simple package would be good. It worked for Big Ben his rookie year...not saying we have the same talent he had to work with, but I think we could protect Quinn.
God, I never EVER imagined I'd be calling for Quinn THIS early. I feel like those girls I meet who are clueless and think that Quinn should have started from the get go cuz he's "so hott."
But today was that much of a disaster...good grief...
Thank God we went up to get him cuz just the thought of having to think about drafting a QB in '08 and wait for him to develop makes my stomach turn...
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Like it or not, Anderson/Frye give us a better chance to win than Quinn does.....
In all the time that I have read these boards this has to be the most ridiculous statement I have ever read! 
If this statement has one bit of truth to it we will not win a single game this season! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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It would not surprise me if Frye gets cut and they bring back Dorsey to mentor BQ. I think Anderson will start against the Bengals.
I'm throwing this out there because I honestly would not be surprised to hear that tomorrow we'll release Frye.
His confidence is so...SO gone.
As far as starting Quinn next week...I think a simple package would be good. It worked for Big Ben his rookie year...not saying we have the same talent he had to work with, but I think we could protect Quinn.
God, I never EVER imagined I'd be calling for Quinn THIS early. I feel like those girls I meet who are clueless and think that Quinn should have started from the get go cuz he's "so hott."
But today was that much of a disaster...good grief...
Thank God we went up to get him cuz just the thought of having to think about drafting a QB in '08 and wait for him to develop makes my stomach turn...
I firmly beleive the Demise of Charlie was mostly Romeo's doings. His first 2 years the one thing he had plenty of was confidence but today he had none of that confidence. He was always a pretty scrappy guy that would keep pluggin away but no doubt in my mind that Romeo and the Brown's Organization helped in what you saw on the field today.
The kid has/had talent just was not coached right from the start. And who is our QB coach anyway Rip Torn or whatever his name is what credentials does he bring to the table because truthfully I don't think its all that much. All our QB's have seemed to regress much like our WR's have. Pack up Rip's bags along with Romeo's bags might as well throw in the WR coach too and get a jump on rebuilding the team again.
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I firmly beleive the Demise of Charlie was mostly Romeo's doings. His first 2 years the one thing he had plenty of was confidence but today he had none of that confidence. He was always a pretty scrappy guy that would keep pluggin away but no doubt in my mind that Romeo and the Brown's Organization helped in what you saw on the field today.
craz...I'm not about to blame Crennel for Frye's performance. It was Frye who did himself in.
But I will say this, you may be on to something when it comes to Charlie's psyche...he looked very rattled and did not look to have the "attitude" he had last season.
I'm not a fan of QB competitions.
We Browns fans have now seen two of these so called QB competitions and neither has worked out for the good of the team.
It's only one game, but I do worry that the QB competition continues into the regular season now.
Hopefully, Charlie can get over the poor performance but he may have played himself out of the starting role.
But, it's not Crennel's fault that Charlie blew up...
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I think even in your own mind after reading your comments,that you know pretty well that the way this entire QB competition played out,that it certainly might have been a contributing factor. It certainly didn't help.
But no,Charlie has certainly lost a lot of his confidence. But then again,nobody has given him much cause to be confident about aything have they?
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The thing that was most appearent to me is the fact that he refused to run out of the pocket. He sat back there forever and refused to come out. He has mentioned before how he has been told that he needs to stay back there longer and it looked like he rufused to comeout even though he felt he should.
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Yeah, he refused to come out, except for the time he actually had a pocket and instead of stepping up and delivering the ball he tucked it and rolled left, into Thomas and the man he was blocking, causing the line to be credited with a sack they didn't deserve. Frye was just lost out there. Let Anderson start until the bye, and then it's Quinn's team for this season and many others.
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Like it or not, Anderson/Frye give us a better chance to win than Quinn does.....
In all the time that I have read these boards this has to be the most ridiculous statement I have ever read!
If this statement has one bit of truth to it we will not win a single game this season!
A rookie QB who has yet to learn his pro team's playbook stands no chance to winn against the Steelers, Bengals, Ravens or Patriots.... Why do you think people wanted Quinn IN CAMP ON TIME ?
So he would be ready for the season !!!!!! Guess what... The season is here and Quinn is not ready. That's why Frye and Anderson are playing.
I would love to see Quinn sit for the whole season, as I think it would help his development. Once the punter dropped the snap, deep in our territory, I knew the Pittsburgh game was over. Fumbles, INTs, dropped balls and bad plays by the offense and defense lost the game, not just the play of Frye/Anderson.
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Browns Starting QB's since the return
37.3% - (22-37) - Tim Couch
36.4% - (4-7) - Trent Dilfer
31.6% - (6-13) - Charlie Frye
30.8% - (4-9) - Kelly Holcomb
30.0% - (3-7) - Jeff Garcia
12.5% - (1-7) - Doug Pederson
0.0% - (0-4) - Luke McCown
0.0% - (0-3) - Derek Anderson
0.0% - (0-2) - Ty Detmer
0.0% - (0-1) - Spergon Wynn
30.3% - (10-33) - RAC as a Head Coach
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It's all Frye No wait,, It's all RAC No Wait It's the offensive line No wait It's Rip Scherer No wait,,, It's,,,, Oh never mind,,, 
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The thing that was most appearent to me is the fact that he refused to run out of the pocket. He sat back there forever and refused to come out. He has mentioned before how he has been told that he needs to stay back there longer and it looked like he rufused to comeout even though he felt he should.
He's afraid to. If I were him,I'd be afraid to myself. He's on a very short leash and has been given a vote of no confidence throughout. He needs to just be himself and play to his strong suit. If I were him,I would consider RAC and his advice my enemy,not my coach.
At this juncture,he needs to do what he thinks is right for Charlie. If that means scrambling,he should scramble. Look where it got him by listenning to "his coach" so far.
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Yes. Quinn is going to be far superior to Frye or Anderson.
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After 1 half or 1 complete game... teams will scheme for DA... DA will stink it up... and we will be back to having CF by default.
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Anybody think Quinn will fare any better with RAC as the coach?
Yes. Quinn is going to be far superior to Frye or Anderson.
Yeah, but what if RAC is still the coach? Will success come? Frye even has a better winning % in the NFL than RAC.
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I would like them to wait until the O-line has more time to jell. But if they want to throw Quinn out there I'll be OK with that too. It might be fun to see the ND pretty boy bloodied up a little.
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I would much prefer the OL to gel first, but if CF is going to respond to the pressure and Anderson can't get it done, I don't see much recourse. Of course, the Bengal D is nowhere near the caliber of Pitt's, so things might be ok next week.
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"Yeah, he refused to come out,"
Judging by his play,he should have refused to come out,of the lockerroom.
Merth,do you honestly believe other teams care which one of the two start?
The bluprint for beating the Browns,irregaurdless of who is at QB,is simple;
stop the run,and play ball control.The Browns will eventually beat themselves.Afterall,they have "fragile pysches."
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Charlie Frye Is In His 3rd Year and Cant Learn His PlayBook  Atleast Quinn Makes Smart Decisions With What He Has Charlie Makes Mistake After Mistake I Dont Understand The Logic at All
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"...Do you really want to throw Quinn into that meat grinder like we saw today?"
I'm just curious about this...what does it gain us to have BQ on the bench learning behind two subpar QBs.
Why wait until 2008-2009 season to start BQ...unless you know of some drastic transformation which will occur to our offensive team between now and then?
Start him next week...let him learn on the job...let him take his lumps and create his turnovers. Let him grow into the position by playing not by sitting and watching an ineffective offensive squad lose more and more confidence behind an overmatched QB in Frye or DA.
So what is the worst that will happen this season that wouldn't happen next year???
What is the worst that will happen???? Injury and loss of confidence. We won't win if Quinn doesn't know the offense. He can't practice to gain knowledge now, because all practice time is spent in game preparation. A game plan based on Quinn's limited knowledge would cause more problems than it would help. Quinn's hold out hurt him as well as the team. Like it or not, Anderson/Frye give us a better chance to win than Quinn does.....
Kinda scary isn't it...?
very good point, it would be wrong to put in quinn before the bye. hopefully dorsey just re-inked with us because he needs to teach brady. we just need to start anderson for now, i think he is the lesser of the evils right now. it's still too soon for quinn. unless you can graft DA's arm/shoulder onto dorsey... 
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It might even build some run game continuity for the O-line more quickly than it would normally take.
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As far as starting Quinn next week...I think a simple package would be good. It worked for Big Ben his rookie year...not saying we have the same talent he had to work with, but I think we could protect Quinn.
yep...
It might even build some run game continuity for the O-line more quickly than it would normally take.
Remember when Bernie first started. VANILLA.
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