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I don't have a problem hearing a foreign language being spoke in public. I do however have a problem with people who move to America with long range plans to live here not learning English in an attempt to properly assimilate into American culture.


What are your thoughts on things like Sharia courts and other willful attempts to not just not assimilate but to change or side step our culture?


I don't really believe that's "a thing" so. No court trumps federal and state laws. I think this entire sharia court and sharia law is more something created as a scare tactic and propaganda than anything else.


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So what exactly is American culture?

I’ve yet to see anybody on this board properly define it.

What do you think it is? Do you even think such a thing exists?


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101 Characteristics of
Americans/American Culture


To help you compare and contrast what you observe of American
culture and your own, mark the similarities and differences between your culture and what you have read about in this book.

1. America is enormous: the third largest country in the world
with a population of more than 300 million people.
2. Americans come in all colors, have all types of religions, and
speak many languages from all over the world.
3. Americans are extremely independent, individualistic, and like
to be different from each other.
4. 66% of Americans are overweight; 37% of those are obese.
5. Americans believe in freedom of choice.
6. Americans need a lot of “elbow room”; they like personal
space around them.
7. Approximately 1% of Americans are homeless (3.5 million
people).
8. Americans talk easily to the homeless but use good judgment
and are careful with whom they talk.
9. Sadly, the streets of major cities are often dirty.
10. Many people, especially teenagers, wear strange clothes, and
many have tattoos and body piercings.
11. Americans follow the rule of law.
12. Littering (throwing garbage on the street), graffiti and tagging
(writing on the walls), and loitering (standing around and
doing nothing) are against the law and are punishable by a
fine or jail.
13. Discriminating against or making any insulting statement
about someone else’s religion or ethnicity is against the law
and could be punishable as a hate crime.
14. You must be over the age of 21 and you must have an
identification card with a photo to buy or drink alcohol.
15. In most states, it is illegal to buy cigarettes if you are under the
age of 18 and often you can only smoke in certain places.
16. Americans are extremely informal and call most people by
their first name or nickname.
17. Americans smile a lot and talk easily to strangers, sharing
personal stories.
18. Asking “How are you?” is simply a greeting and is not a
question about your health.
19. When Americans put their hands on their hips, they are
usually relaxed; when they fold their arms tightly across their
chests, they are angry or very serious (or cold).
20. Americans don’t push or stand too close to anyone in line.
They always wait their turn.
21. In a restaurant, the server is usually very friendly and helpful
and often will tell you his or her name.
22. When the service is good, tipping is expected to be 15–20% of
the bill.
23. Polite Americans eat with one hand while the other one is
under the table on their laps.
24. Usually, when friends meet at a restaurant they each pay their
share of the bill or split the bill in half. It’s called going Dutch.
25. If you have guests over to your house, turn off the television,
make sure your music isn’t too loud.
26. Americans have parties for many reasons. Sometimes they are
held for friends to get together and to meet new people. There
is rarely music or dancing at a typical American party.
27. When you meet Americans, be sure to look them in the eye,
smile, and shake hands.
28. Make small talk at the beginning of a conversation. After a few
questions, you will be asked, “What do you do?” (This means
what is your job?)
29. For weddings and showers, people register for gifts at a specific
place.
30. Americans open presents and cards in front of people.
31. Be sure you include a card with your gift. The person given the
gift will send you a thank you card.
32. At an American funeral, it is not normal to make loud sad
sounds. Americans try to keep strong emotions inside.
33. There is no traditional color or flower that symbolizes death.
Any and all flowers can be used at funerals.
34. We do not give money at a funeral. Sometimes, we send
flowers or plants to the ceremony.
35. After the funeral, there is usually a reception at the home of the
family. There is usually a lot of food and sometimes alcohol.
36. Never ask Americans a direct question about their religion,
age, money, salary, weight, or dress/suit size.
37. Do not make any racist or negative remarks about someone’s
religion, family background, or sexual preferences.
38. Men should not make any “sexist” remarks to or about
women—anything that would make women unequal to men.
39. Americans say that they don’t want to talk about politics, but
sometimes they do. It’s best to just listen first to see the other
person’s point of view before you let them know your
thoughts.
40. Never go to someone’s house without calling first to see if it is
convenient.
41. If you are invited to an American party, do not bring your
children, friends, or family members without first asking the
permission of the host.
42. Time is money. Never be late to classes, employment interviews,
appointments, parties (especially your wedding!), etc.
43. Some Americans hug a lot. It is okay for women and men to
hug even if they are not close friends.
44. It is normal for American women to have male friends who
are just friends (and vice versa).
45. It is not uncommon for American men and women to share an
apartment as roommates and not have a sexual relationship
with each other.
46. Most American women do not like possessive or jealous men.
47. Most American women do not feel comfortable having the
man pay for everything all of the time.
48. Be careful: Meet new friends in a public place many times
before you get into a car or give out your address.
49. American parents speak to their children as adults and teach
them how to be responsible for their actions.
50. American parents encourage their children to question and
always ask “Why?”
51. It is normal for American children to have very messy rooms.
52. It is common for young Americans to carry security blankets or
a stuffed toy.
53. Americans do not hit their children but discipline them by
taking things away.
54. American men try to share equally with their wives in
parenting and housework.
55. Americans hire “babysitters” to take care of their children
when they go out or are at work.
56. Americans love their pets, sometimes more than they love
people.
57. Homosexuality is protected by law in the United States.
58. The majority of older Americans prefer to live in retirement
homes for independent living rather than to live with their
grown children.
59. Americans admire youth and often work past age 65 and/or
go back to school.
60. Domestic violence is against the law. It is illegal to hit anyone:
a spouse, a parent, a child, and even a pet.
61. There are special seats in the front of buses reserved for
disabled people or senior citizens.
62. Be careful when you offer your seat on the bus to an older or a
disabled person. Most older people do not want to be thought
of as someone needing help.
63. Most buses require the exact amount of money and cannot
make change.
64. Because of pick-pockets, Americans carry credit cards and
checks, instead of a lot of cash.
65. Pedestrians always have the right of way.
66. Pedestrians must cross at a cross walk or unmarked
intersection. Crossing in the middle of the road is against
the law.
67. If it is not a life or death emergency, do not call 911.
68. Rent must be paid on time or there is usually a late fee.
69. If you pay your rent by cash, be sure to get a receipt.
70. Americans love to hunt for bargains and often buy used
things.
71. If the police put the lights on to tell you to stop your car,
move to the side of the road right away. Stay in your car.
72. Look directly at the officer. Smile and say, “What seems to be
the problem, Officer?”
73. When you drive, be sure to always have your license,
registration, and proof of insurance with you.
74. Never, for any reason, argue with or give money to a police
officer.
75. Always be on time to the job interview and to your job.
76. Dress appropriately for the job interview.
77. Smile, look the interviewer in the eye, and shake hands firmly
when you meet.
78. At the interview, be positive and describe your good qualities.
79. Sexual harassment is against the law.
80. Students are expected to ask questions.
81. Never use a cell phone in class.
82. It is normal for an American teacher to sit on the desk.
83. Always call your teacher by his or her name.
84. It is never too late to go back to school and you can almost
always find free adult education classes.
85. It is permitted to visit most college and university campuses to
see what they are like.
86. Children from the ages of 6 to 16 must attend school in the
United States.
87. Do your own work. Copying from a book, a friend, or the
Internet is called plagiarism.
88. Cheating is serious, and the punishment is strong.
89. Americans try to take care of a medical problem early.
90. When you have a serious medical problem, it’s a good idea to get a second opinion.
91. You can always ask the receptionist how much a doctor’s appointment will cost.
92. When you need to make an appointment with a doctor, list all
of your symptoms in English before you call.
93. Most states have free or low-cost clinics.
94. Never go to a hospital emergency room unless it is a matter of life or death.
95. Americans are really careful about not bothering anyone else
with their body odor or bad breath.
96. Most Americans take at least one bath or shower each day.
97. Most Americans put on a good underarm deodorant after bathing.
98. Throw all toilet paper and seat covers in the toilet to be flushed away.
99. If you can’t understand the sign on the restroom door, ask someone or check to see who goes in or comes out.
100. Americans often talk to each other or on the cell phone while using the bathroom.
101. There are very few “public” bathrooms available in U.S. cities and towns.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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So can anybody actually describe the culture instead of giving a demographic lesson? Thanks.


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So what exactly is American culture?

I’ve yet to see anybody on this board properly define it.

What do you think it is? Do you even think such a thing exists?




American culture? it certainly does exist. while i still believe its leans more good, i can certainly challenge the idea that we're a melting pot, especially in today's America.

for me, a melting pot requires not only a diverse background, but people of all races and backgrounds actually getting along. we certainly meet the first aspect, but the second can most certainly be debated.

i think our culture is based on competition, which is a direct result of our economic system. and that tends to bleed into all aspects of our society, from gang violence, gender violence, income equality and and work/life imbalance. it even bleeds into the divide of rural vs city life.

our culture values work over life. while so many other countries have a culture of working to live, we have the culture of living to work. our culture makes it so we view the value of human life based on corporate productivity, while other cultures value human life in the way of experience and personal relationships. we as americans are impatient, excessive to the point of gluttony, and not as open minded as one would think.

***now, before people think im all doom and gloom*** i have stated before that i think part of this is a result of us being a babies compared to other countries. we've been a country for a whooping 245 years or so. so we still have a long way to go as far as actually getting along with one another, and progress in that department has certainly been made.

but our overall culture is still stuck in the late 1800's, where we still act and view everything from an every man for himself perspective. our culture demands that we value monetary gain over actually caring for your fellow citizen.

***i know people are gonna go "ThAt'S nOt WhAt I bElIeve Or AcT"*** but im talking about the indivudal snowflakes, im talking our culture as a whole.

it doesnt matter what the demographics are in this country, we all end up getting sucked into this toxic competition culture, where its all about winning as an individual instead of winning as a group. thats the big difference between us and a lot of other countries.


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yea i think the curiosity is normal. i think you even get this, its the lame ass stereotypes that people come up with that gets annoying for our wives.

man we was out and about on a date night, and some dude heard our convo and her talking. he noticed the accent, and then made some stupid ass comment about "i love the autobahn!"

lol, what the hell?


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Well don't you love the autobahn? wink


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That's an awesome answer Swish and I believe there is a ton of truth in it. I'm only going to respond to a couple points that I view as central to what you said but I did enjoy reading the whole thing..

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i think our culture is based on competition,

It absolutely is and it's not just me competing with somebody over a better job or promotion or building a better widget than the next guy... it's between husbands and wives, siblings, neighbors, towns states, even at a national level, etc.. at all levels of our society the notion that you have to be better than somebody else resides... I believe this is one of the prevailing attitudes that made the US the biggest and most prosperous nation in the world... If you look through your list of things, those things that have made us historically great, left unchecked, are also those things that are our biggest detriments.

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excessive to the point of gluttony,

We absolutely are a nation of extremes and excess.... we have some segment of the population so obsessed with personal care, fitness, hygiene, etc that they are really obnoxious to even talk to... then another side that cares so little that we have the worlds worst obesity problem, eat the crappiest of foods and chemicals, and smell so bad you can't stand to be near them...

Why have a car that will go 125 when you can have one that will go 140? Why have a gun that will blow a 2" hole in somebody when you can have one that will blow a 4" hole in somebody? Why? Why be happy with $7 million a year when I can make $15 million a year? Because I can, this is America.....

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our culture values work over life.

Read an article the other day on LinkedIn called "The Myth of the Sick Day"... those don't really exist in America any more unless you have a manual labor type job that REQUIRES you to be present to work... there is no such think in management.. no matter how sick you are, you still feel compelled to check e-mail and "get some work done" as long as you are physically able.. same is generally true of vacation as well. I get e-mails and voicemails all the time from other managers who are supposed to be on vacation.

The one word you didn't use in your explanation that I would like to add is.... arrogant. As a nation we are arrogant and most are proud of it..

Show me another country that is having more success in education than us? We don't have to do that, this is America, we do things different... ok but what you are doing isn't working... I don't care, we do things OUR way... (even if they don't work) It's like a sacrilege to admit that we could actually learn something from another country or improve on something by adopting a policy that works somewhere else..

I guess, like you, much of that sounds negative and I'm really not that negative about this country. On many levels it's a great country that is full of good people who will bend over backwards for each other. It definitely moved the whole world forward in areas of science, technology, manufacturing, pharmaceuticals.. we have contributed tremendously to the world.. but the cost has been high.. and a lot of the struggles we are currently facing are the result of those accomplishments..


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man we was out and about on a date night, and some dude heard our convo and her talking. he noticed the accent, and then made some stupid ass comment about "i love the autobahn!"

lol, what the hell?

I believe the young'uns today call that flexing. He wanted you to know that he's a cultured dude who has been to Germany without just coming out and saying that..


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For those that have been on cruises or vacationed abroad, why is it we're more fascinated by their culture from years past? Why are we always shown HISTORIC landmarks or events of historic culture?

When it comes to American Historic culture, we bad mouth it, are ashamed of it or try to erase it.

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IMHO, we don't want to admit our own failings. We want a glorified "clean" version of our past in which we weren't the bad guy.

Perhaps it relates to Swish's comment about us being a pretty young country.

Sure we can go to Italy and look, in awe, at the arena where men dueled to the death, where people were persecuted, where Christians were fed to lions.. and see it as ancient history.... but we would prefer that part of our own history disappear to the annals of the textbooks.


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It's because we are babies. Not as a people, but as a nation.

Nations abroad are sometimes thousands of years old. We are only less than 250 years old. So on a global scales, we have very little to speak about in terms of any long term history.

Plus I think if one actually put things into context, it's easy to see why the world may view us as they do. We have people fighting over whether to continue to honor those who lost a war fighting FOR slavery. Germany isn't perpetuating statues of Hitler. So if you didn't live in this country it would seem backwards. Because it is.

We conquered a nation from the Pacific to the Atlantic. In order to do this, we had to slay a lot of people. Not only that, we had to take advantage of them and deceive them. We had to break a lot of treaties and promises we made to them.

Now conversely we did wipe out slavery and change course from that. We did pass civil rights and make America better for all. We did save the world from Hitler even though we refuse to stomp out his ideology from our nation.

So we have good an bad.

But if you stop to think about it, the terrible things we did to conquer this nation and make it our own, from a historical standpoint didn't happen all that long ago. So it's going to take a long time for history to view us in a more favorable light than a negative one.


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enjoyable reads- all of you.

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I love accents. British, Australian, Hispanic, southern, New England, etc.

A guy in our town is from England. Used to be a lower level pro soccer player over there. I hate soccer, but our boys and girls high school teams this year were very good.

I didn't attend the tournament games, but the school aired most of them on facebook live, and I watched, while I also listened to the radio. That guy, and another guy, were doing the live broadcast.

I couldn't get enough of him. The accent, but also the phrases he used were just awesome.


And yes, just like your wife has to deal with the accent, he does as well.

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Excellent read Swish.


@daytnabacker, I think part of that is the history behind it. Travel throughout America and at best you might marvel at a landmark from the 1800's, possibly something from the 1700's. We tend to tear down old stuff to put up new, because it has no historical value.


Whereas when you go to Europe, you can see things that are thousands of years old. From a time when life was so extremely different than anything ever experienced in the US.

The Roman Coliseum was left vacant for long periods of time, turned into "Apartments", pilfered for materials to build other things for many years. It was just a derelict building for centuries, and if they had the machinery we have now, it probably would have been torn down to make way for something new.

Down here a house build before 1980 is considered old, a house built before 1940 is historic.


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I can appreciate the replies, thanks,

Pit, can you tell me a nation that wasn't conquered and massive life was lost? I understand it's 1000's of years in the past but it's still the same.

You brought up Hitler, I had the chance to visit Dachau concentration camp in 1986, took the tour, of course I was sickened but it was still there.

The Queens Staircase in Nassau, constructed by slaves. It's the 1st place taxi driver's want to take tourists.

Visit Battery Row in Charleston, S. Carolina, tourist attraction and they also have the port memorialized where slaves were sold. Hell, the whole damn city is Confederate.



Again, I understand we're babies compared to other Nations but we were built just like every other Nation.

My point to my question was to answer Swish question about American culture, which I thought was a great question. My conclusion probably won't be accepted by most but, I think American Culture became one of which we are LIARS, HATERS and overall a fricken confused society. We make EXCUSES for everything, take responsibilty for NONTHING..JMHO

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I guess my point was in context to time. Our history is very short compared to many nations. So while many of our atrocities didn't happen that long ago from a historical perspective, many other nations are well in their past. So over time a nation can outweigh the bad things they did by doing good things.

And yes, while many times nations keep remembrance of the victims, I can't think of many who hold those who created and perpetuated those victims in a place of reverence and honor. Those are two completely different things.


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many of our atrocities didn't happen that long ago from a historical perspective,


Good point. The atrocities of Germany were how long ago? I remember sitting in many pubs in W. Germany looking at 60-70 yr old guys staring at me with hate in their eyes and I'm wondering if they were still Nazis at heart.

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while many times nations keep remembrance of the victims, I can't think of many who hold those who created and perpetuated those victims in a place of reverence and honor.


True, however, many of these places stand to remind us of what happened so we don't repeat it. It's why I'm against taken down statues. We have folks here that fly that confederate flag with great pride. I can show you a house with a roof that was shingled like the confederate flag. It's cool with me I just remind them who won. If you never hiked up the Queens Staircase you should. They are very PROUD of what 600 slaves built.

Back to Swish's question, I voiced my opinion but to expound, it's tough to answer because we refuse to accept who we are.

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Statues are a celebration of people. An honor. Let's not try and twist it into something it's not.


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Statues are a celebration of people. An honor. Let's not try and twist it into something it's not.


That's your definition or reason statues are erected, that's fine but it's not mine.

I'm a damn Yankee living in the south. Statues of Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson and even Jefferson Davis memorialize what was the culture here at one time. I'm fine with that. Some of us will look at a statue of a person we never heard of before and peak our interest to learn but whatever. Hell might as well erase them from our history books too superconfused

I forgot we already are, it's the NEW American culture, erase our ugly past!


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Yeah, getting rid of statues will erase the history of the civil war. Do you even hear yourself?

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Just like the Nazi's burning books meant nothing, right?

Just like that crazy church burning Korans meant nothing, right?

Do you even hear yourself?

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Maybe you should start erecting statues of Hitler in American town squares so we don't forget about WW2.


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Maybe you should realize that these monuments are a reminder to many blacks in the south of the pain endured before, during and for generations after the civil war of the treatment they received and quit demanding white people continue rubbing it in their face.

But you refuse to.


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Maybe he aint up to speed with his anti semetic party using Facist techniques, like trying to use the GOVT to arrest their political opponents .

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Maybe he aint up to speed with his anti semetic party using Facist techniques, like trying to use the GOVT to arrest their political opponents .


I'm not a Democrat but you must have missed that Giuliani cancelled his trip to the Ukraine and you are right that now Trump thinks it's just fine for him to tell the Justice Department to investigate his political opponents.


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I stopped reading after the "I not a democrat " remark.

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I understand. You think everyone has to be enemies and only be on one side or the other.

Hey, even most sane Republicans don't like trump. It's not just a thing with democrats.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Yeah, getting rid of statues will erase the history of the civil war. Do you even hear yourself?

rofl


Well it would certainly get rid of the 'War of northern aggression'

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