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the DC.

offensive guard, OT.

I am not worried about Freddie any more of the past bum coaches we have had.

He doesn't seem to have a big ego. Having been a assistant, non-coordinator, he has ground it out year after year. He was worked under some really good coaches, so he knows how to set up a practice schedule.....Heck, he was a first year RB coach pleading with Hue to let guys suit up but not be overly active participants, only to hear about he wasn't the captain of the ship, bla, bla, bla.


He may not end up a good head coach, but I think his ego is in check, he has ground it out for some good coaches, and can relate to players. I think that is all you can want in a new head coach.

Freddie is a Cleveland guy. I don't like to simply say a blue collar guy because white collars don't get much handed to them either, but Freddie has a work ethic. Nothing came easy in the Kitchens house.

So Freddie ignores analytics. Interesting.

I don't think so. I think he embraces the old and the new, just like John.

Just like most smart people would.

Pick all the fights you want. I love ya man. I am not going to engage.

I think it was you who brought up the same old crap and did not follow the guidelines of the thread.

The reason for resting guys during TC was an analytics decision and that was clearly translated. Let it go, man.

Do you have any concerns w/THIS particular team?

I have stated my concerns or lack of concerns.



I am not going to worry about injury. It happens, but you can't really plan on it. You can't have equal players at all positions.


I worry about John going all in maybe a year or two to soon....we have guys we do need to retain, but I have already said that

Concerns? At this point I have but one ... And that is, that we are sailing into uncharted waters ...
"Just do it"

Go Browns!!!

My concern is the OC. He's an "air-raid" guy. That concerns me a bit. Not a lot though. Waiting to see what offense we will be running. I'm hoping we run what we ran last year under Kitchens. If it ain't broke... That was a really good mix of run/pass. Do not want to see us get pass happy.

My only concern is how much playoff tickets are going to cost me.

Concerns:

1. How we'll handle being the Hunted rather than the Hunter. Teams won't overlook us any more. Will we take any of them lightly? Dorsey and Kitchens are saying the right things now and seem to be cognizant of the potential problem. Still, we haven't had a large sample size of how most of the team handles success at this level. Will we be the team that everyone circles on the calendar and gets their best shot ready for?

2. Hell freezing over. I could see us making the Super Bowl only to have a new Ice Age start before the game is played.

2b. Armageddon-like scenario corollary.

3. Wanting to bleach my eyes out after seeing a live feed from the Island.

4. Injuries, opioids, and other Brownsian bad luck that leaves me shouting, "Are you serious!?!?" and shaking my fist at the sky.

5. People ruining threads by complaining about people ruining other threads, in every thread.

As far as Freddie goes, I "think" his head coaching career is going to be an immense success here.

After that everything is gravy.

Freddie has worked under some impressive coaches. Stallings (college), Saban (college), Whisenhunt & Arians (AZ)

We all know how well he did on short notice as an OC. We also saw the good chemistry he and Baker had.

On defense we have head coaching (all be it inconclusive) and DC experience with Steve Wilkes.

Really, the only unproven one in his position is Freddie, and that's OK. As I said in another post, I think his ego is in check unlike, well, unlike our previous head coaches.

Freddie will be able to learn from his assistant coaches rather than think he knows it all.

This is the best coaching staff since our return IMO.

I'm just concerned with all the media hype. It feels good to be liked but after getting OBJ everything has been outrageous. It feels great to have a team that should compete after all these dreadful years. Expectations are just way too highly set by outside influences that never , ever believed in our beloved Browns. You know the same voices that used to joke about us at every chance! Whats going to happen when the Browns don't live to their expectations? More trash talking against us? Maybe I'm just suffering from beaten dog syndrome but to hear the word Super Bowl, really!! I want to compete for the division as we haven't won it since before the realignment from AFC Central to now the AFC North. That was a LOOONNGG time ago.
After last year I'm still concerned with our over all defense. Especially stopping the run should be a priority this year as it will make or break this defense. Is adding Vernon and Richardson going to stop teams like Chargers,Chiefs,Colts, or even the Texans? I know we don't play them but if the Browns make the Playoffs, we most likely will play them and need to be ready. I just don't want to be a flash in the pan.

Remember, last off season Jacksonville was favorites and we know how that ended.

j/c:

I thought this was a thread about "Concerns?" Guess not.

That's concerning.

The huge OVERHYPE of the Browns for next year!
AND our players telling everybody the Browns are going to the SuperBowl and we are creating a dynasty.
AND a NEW FIRST TIME head coach who has to manage all the HYPE and PERSONALITIES.

Despite all the positives, this has the potential to go the wrong direction in a big way!

All the hype and cocky predictions will definitely put a target on our back, especially in the AFCN. Will the Browns IMPLODE internally if we come out of the gate slowly/poorly?

THESE ARE MY CONCERNS!!!!

1.how Kitchens can handle the strong egos of Landry and Beckham.
if the Browns are winning..everyone is happy....
but if they hit a 2 game slide.....hmmmm.

2. if Baker gets hurt....then can the backup weather the storm until he returns.

3. how physical or not will the practices be under Kitchen?

Legit concerns, but ppsshhh don't be too worried. This team is talented and they have every right to have confidence. I would rather have a team that is over confident and beliving than one that is not.

If you're not confidient you're not going to win at anything. Life lessons.

Unfortunately, the team we have right now, this year, might be the most talented we'll have for the next 10 years or so. There's no way we'll be able to pay all our stars, mayfield, obj, garrett, ward, and even landry down the road. We will have to get creative.

Mayfield: 4 years left on his rookie contract ...

OBJ: signed through 2023 ... thats 4 or 5 seasons depending on if thats before or after the 23 season

Garret: 3 years left on his rookie contract

Ward: 4 years left on his rookie contract

VG: signed through 2022 ... thats 3 or 4 years before he needs to be re-signed ...

But since were cutting him after this year according to you, we won’t have to OVER PAY for him again .... *LOL* ...

We are going to have a GREAT PROBLEM TO HAVE when it comes to re-signing our guys, but its not all doom and gloom just quite yet when it comes to the cap .... were still a few years away from a possible exodus of good talent ....

Just to let you know... as things are right now, we really don't have any cap space heading into the 2020 season. Unless we trade away all our draft picks, we are going to have rookies to sign. Someone is getting cut or will have to restructure their contract after this season. My guess is Landry will be prime for "exodus of good talent."

I don't want you to be disappointed.

A reminder to those who have steered away from the thread topic. The original poster made a very thoughtful post on what might derail the season. No one has to agree w/him, but perhaps we could stay on topic instead of all this agenda crap?

Here is what he said again before voicing his own concerns:

Agreed...

Diam tried to divert us... I should have ignored his agenda crap.


Other that him, I'd say everyone has been pretty well on topic here.

We currently have $33 million in cap space. (top 51, which is what matters) I would guess that we have approximately $5 million in cap allotment with our draft picks. (no 1st, remember)

We're fine for right now.

We will also have several deals that can be terminated to increase cap space. Many of our current contracts do not have a ton of guarantees, which makes it easier to terminate for cap space. We can terminate Kirksey's deal next year for a solid cap savings. Same with Vernon, if we choose. Carrie, Burnett, and yes, even Landry and Richardson have deals that are structured to create cap space if we need to. Those 4 could, if needed, save us almost $50 million next season. We'll see what happens.

This is life in the NFL, though. It is basically a 1 year game. Look at how many players the Patriots typically lose every season. Not everyone on your team is a core player. You identify those core guys, try to keep them, and work in the pieces around them. No team is 100% perfect in every position, from top to bottom of the roster. We're in good shape for this year and next. That's really about all any team can hope for.

This is correct.

We were just talking about down the road. As things sit now we don't have much room for 2020. I will defer to cfrs, in my opinion he's always been on top of this stuff. If I'm wrong, he'll tell me.

One of the high priced players you named will most likely not be here next season, although it's not guaranteed, there are other things we could do, yes... In my mind Vernon and Landry would be the top two candidates to be moved.

I believe and despite what people are saying or thinking, we are looking to win the Super Bowl this season. We are not spending money just to spend money. Some fans will be happy with playoffs, but I would have to believe the entire organization would be disappointed if we weren't hoisting the Lombardi Trophy in February.

Agreed. It won't be a "thing" until it happens...but if we deliver on being a 'winner' like we hope we will...I think you'll see older vets being willing to re-structure to stay on a playoff team that has a chance to win it all...while providing cap relief to keep the train rolling.

That will/would-be the next journey for Browns fans into uncharted territory.

J/C

This thread seemed like the best place to put this post. There certainly are question marks with our OL. What do DawgTalkers think about the Browns rating in this article and the league ratings overall?

Browns OL ranked below average.


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Brandon Thorn ranks NFL Offensive Lines, Browns fare poorly

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In a ranking of offensive lines in some relatively broad categories, the Cleveland Browns were ranked below average and put in the range of the 22nd to 28th best offensive line in the league. It's harsh but fair, though it does have some upside to improve.

Brandon Thorn, host of the Trench Warfare podcast, is an analyst that has really focused his work on the offensive line and he tweeted out a ranking of all 32 NFL teams in six different categories. The Cleveland Browns are in the second lowest ranking of below average along with six other teams. And in terms of what the Browns will have in 2019 that's proven, it's difficult to argue with him.

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Here are my OL unit tiers. It's obviously early but I feel pretty good about it. I think most units could bump up or down one as the season plays out:

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Joel Bitonio is fantastic at left guard. J.C. Tretter had a good year and center on one leg. He may well get some post season honors if he can be healthy for an entire year. Those are two high quality offensive linemen the Browns have up front and perhaps those two warrant having the group bumped up to average.


The problem is the rest of the line is made up of guys the Browns hope to provide average play and a spot that's up in the air to be decided in right guard. Chris Hubbard was average at best and Greg Robinson was enough at left tackle. Both benefited a great deal from Baker Mayfield's ability to work in the pocket and make his tackles look better. It's not a given that Hubbard will win the job either as he faces off against Kendall Lamm in a competition.

Robinson, in a contract year with an opportunity to secure a lucrative contract after this season, seems likely to be no worse than last year, but may take a step forward. He has a ton of reps to learn from and should have more confidence. Robinson has remarkable physical gifts and hopefully this coming season, he can take more advantage of them when it comes to the running game.

Right guard is a question mark, but the Browns do have talented options. Austin Corbett, the team's second round pick from last year and Eric Kush stand out among them. They have Kyle Kalis who has made some noise in OTAs as well. Replacing Kevin Zeitler is an incredibly difficult task and they have to expect some drop off there.

Overall, the list seems solid. It seems like the Minnesota Vikings offensive line is no better than the Browns even if they did draft a very talented center in Garrett Bradbury in the first round. No one is great on that unit and he has them as average.


In a vacuum, it's not unfair to have concerns about the Browns front heading into the season. Beyond cost, the Browns are just hoping to upgrade the unit, likely moving on from both starting tackles. The Browns do have some depth though, so outside of an injury to Bitonio or Tretter, they can survive an injury up front. On the year, they need to get through the year and keep Baker Mayfield up right. If they can do that, it was a successful year.

What is a Brandon Thorn??

sorry, had to do it lol

Didn't I see somewhere that we were looking to make Corbett the back-up Center and we had someone else at RG?

Did I read that here or somewhere else? I don't remember.

We played Corbett at C for part of one day.

You don't take a guy with the 1st pick of the 2nd round one year and make him the backup anything before camp even opens the next.

Exactly. Campen wants to find out who can do what. There are 5 starting OL slots. Each slot doesn't have a designated back-up because it is rare a team keeps 10 O-linemen. They keep 8, maybe 9, so a few of them will need to be back-ups at several positions.

Yeah, we aren't "looking to make" anyone anything in OTA's.

As far as biggest concern, mine is I hope C-Town Eats only has one serving area rather than 2 and someone new enters the Club food service options. It's all good, but it has been the same for 5-6 years now. There is a vendor in the lower level who makes a pretty good Philly.

I'd also like to see the Browns Hospitality Group come back. Sometimes they had a carving station set up. Others it would be breakfast burritos. I liked that option.

It cost a bit more, so maybe people didn't make it worth the bother. I know I used them quite a bit.

Go ahead and scrap Street Frites while your at it. If your claim to fame is fries - serving them "cold and old" isn't gonna cut it, regardless of how much fresh rosemary you toss on 'em.

Oh, and Happy Hour after all wins, so I can wait for traffic to thin out. Actually, scratch that too, probably not a good idea lol.