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RAC just had his presser posted and seemed to indicate a change may be in the works.. Just his coy statements to the press about not saying anything about personnel till he got a chance to talk to the players made me think he may make some changes. Who or when ? No idea...
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Hopefully he'll hand his job to Cowher or Marty and will become defensive coordinator. That and Anderson will start the next at least 5 or 6+ games until Brady Quinn is completely prepared to take over the franchise and give us a more promising team.
Correction: Anderson and Frye will play the next games until the BYE week, making the QB decision a "gametime call" so that other teams can't just plan around playing one of them. If Anderson sucks, play Frye. If Frye sucks, play Anderson. Cause when teams gameplan for Anderson next week, we'll get smoked even worse probably. I sure hope our QBs aren't as bad as they seemed to be yesterday. We had like 60 yards overall in the 1st half.........
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Cowher or Marty. Yeesh, what a joke. I think Dick Vermeil is out there, as well as Ditka and Jimmy Johnson. Those guys coached pretty well too on teams that are exactly like the Browns now. Right?
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Just his coy statements to the press about not saying anything about personnel till he got a chance to talk to the players made me think he may make some changes. Who or when ? No idea...
No he was saying if does make any changes the PLAYERS will know first..the media ain't gonna bombard him right now or speculate..
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Cowher or Marty. Yeesh, what a joke. I think Dick Vermeil is out there, as well as Ditka and Jimmy Johnson. Those guys coached pretty well too on teams that are exactly like the Browns now. Right?
I wouldnt mind having Cowher here as head coach. Im not saying im ready to give up on Romeo yet but atleast Cowher would show some emotion and argue with a ref once in a while. Mute point since he cant coach this year anyways.
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After hearing his presser I have a feeling all 22 starting positions are up for grabs this week.
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Just his coy statements to the press about not saying anything about personnel till he got a chance to talk to the players made me think he may make some changes. Who or when ? No idea...
No he was saying if does make any changes the PLAYERS will know first..the media ain't gonna bombard him right now or speculate..
That's true EVERY week. If there are no changes why not just say it ?
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Hopefully he'll hand his job to Cowher or Marty and will become defensive coordinator. That and Anderson will start the next at least 5 or 6+ games until Brady Quinn is completely prepared to take over the franchise and give us a more promising team.
Correction: Anderson and Frye will play the next games until the BYE week, making the QB decision a "gametime call" so that other teams can't just plan around playing one of them. If Anderson sucks, play Frye. If Frye sucks, play Anderson. Cause when teams gameplan for Anderson next week, we'll get smoked even worse probably. I sure hope our QBs aren't as bad as they seemed to be yesterday. We had like 60 yards overall in the 1st half.........
i personally think Quinn is ready enough
if we wait until the bye week, with our luck half our starting OL will be on IR and then Quinn will really get the crap pumled out of him
im sick of us coddling to a QB..scared we might "hurt" a guys confidence.,.give me a break he is making millions, he got pumled at ND...he will do just fine here
We need a spark badly...put in quinn and we will beat Cincy
then we can go into Oakland and beat them...with Quinn
we will then be 2-1 going into Baltimore with a "chance" of stealing it
We have nothing to lose...put in Quinn..quit being scared it is gonna ruin him...it won't..its time to see what he has...time for this team to man up, grow a pair, and start winning games
we need stability at the Qb position...quinn gets 4 years regardless of what happens..the future is now...If romeo and savage don't go with quinn...they are absolutly mad...
insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
the team will "Rally" around Quinn...it will trickle to the whole unit...O, D, Special teams, the whole 9 yards..Brady brings that confidence...it will rub off..the kid will do fine...i bet he plays twice as good as Frye or anderson
put in quinn..give the fans a reason to watch the games...for the future
the more expereince Quinn gets the better off we will be next year...the longer we wait..the worse next year will be...no need to delay the inevitable..this is quinn's team..might as well hand it over to him
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http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/article.php?id=7287Crennel: No changes today 09.10.2007 Romeo Crennel watched the film early Monday morning, and he said he didn't see "much different" than he thought he might see. "That was pretty bad," Crennel said. "It was a bad start. "I'm disappointed in the way we played. I felt like we were better than that. The same old things kind of get you -- turnovers, sacks, mistakes that hurt us." The Browns have their usual 1 p.m. Monday team meeting scheduled, the first time Crennel will meet with his players. He said if there are any personnel changes for this week's game with Cincinnati, he's not sharing them until he shares them with the players first. "The thing I have to do now is get my players and coaches ready to play next game," he said. "It's another division opponent, another home game."
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No he was saying if does make any changes the PLAYERS will know first..the media ain't gonna bombard him right now or speculate..
That's true EVERY week. If there are no changes why not just say it ?
Well then what would ATTACK do?
He is the official "RAC interpriter" of the message board ya know.
If it weren't for ATTACK telling us what RAC REALLY means,we would all just think he speaks jibberish and does stupid things all of the time!
Jeesh man!
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If it weren't for ATTACK telling us what RAC REALLY means,we would all just think he speaks jibberish and does stupid things all of the time!
IT wouldn't be any different than some of the jibberish and stupid things that are said in here 
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 "Crennel: No changes today"... could be interpeted as "No Changes to be announced today" Which is closer to what he said..
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If it weren't for ATTACK telling us what RAC REALLY means,we would all just think he speaks jibberish and does stupid things all of the time!
IT wouldn't be any different than some of the jibberish and stupid things that are said in here
Hey,I couldn't resist it.
Every time RAC makes a comment,you tell us "what he means" by that comment.
So I think you should be nominated as the "Official Dawg Talkers RAC interpriter".
Seems you feel you're quite qualified to tell us "what he means",so why not?
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Well I can't resist saying that if some of you would stop with blitzing of the comments and ideas and conspiracy theories ya might understand how your head coach thinks..
He speaks very simple and it's EASY TO TELL WHEN he doesn't want the media REACHING..
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insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
You mean like starting young QBs too early and ruining them? Certainly we have learned from that mistake, no matter how short your memory/attention span may be.
Insanity IS doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, and those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
I hate to break it to you, but we're not going to the Superbowl no matter who we start, so there's no reason to throw Quinn to the wolves (or, Bengals) before he's had time to adjust to the NFL game.
And, "he couldn't be worse" isn't a valid argument. Many people couldn't be worse than what we have now for QBs -- Cribbs, Winslow, Wimbley, even Ted Washington couldn't be much worse -- but we're not starting those people either.
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While both statements can be true, they are only true given exactly the same set of variables. People are never consistent in their development. There can be a difference of more than a year between the times some children walk and talk compared to other children. Some children read at a far earlier age than others. The onset of puberty can occur anywhere within a 3-5 year range.
Some players will never be "ready" for the NFL, no matter how long they have to develop. Others will find their learning accelerated by being on the field, and developing their skills on the fly. Others might require several years of development.
Quinn strikes me as the kind of guy who will develop faster on the field as opposed to charting plays and watching substandard QB play from the sidelines.
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Thats what Elway said about his starting.. He felt he progressed much faster on the field even though it was really bad for awhile....
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Quinn strikes me as the kind of guy who will develop faster on the field as opposed to charting plays and watching substandard QB play from the sidelines.
I get the same impression.
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Troy Aikmen went what 1-15 his first year and was sacked, but he turned out ok,
I know not everybody is a Aikmen or a Elway but does starting a QB early ruin him or does it just expose him early into not being the QB everybody expected or draft him to be. Would Akili Smith be a better QB if the Bengals would have sat him for a year ? Would Cade Mcgown have made it in Chicago if he would have sat a year ? Would Ryan Leaf still....ok too much never mind....LOL...To me it's not playing or sitting it's the mental & physical tuffness of the QB, Too me Brady is smart he can handle 70% of the reads, knows when to throw it away and will still have that 30% for rookie mistakes, If we cant protect Brady than a few linemen need to be turning back in thier paycheck or we signed the wrong ones.
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Exactly what can he do?It's either Frye/Anderson or Anderson/Frye.I'm fairly certain Lou Gehrig ain't on this bench.
"The thing I have to do now is get my players and coaches ready to play next game,"
The smartass in me wants to say "you should have thought of that last week" but some might consider that a low blow,so I won't say it.
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Quinn strikes me as the kind of guy who will develop faster on the field as opposed to charting plays and watching substandard QB play from the sidelines.
I get the same impression.
we might as well find out early which kind of QB he is...
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Well I can't resist saying that if some of you would stop with blitzing of the comments and ideas and conspiracy theories ya might understand how your head coach thinks..
Well,considering that this is his third season and the game that we played and the team he put on the field yesterday?
I'm not so sure he does think. At least not about how to be an NFL head coach.
Our owner has spendt millions upon millions year in and year out. What does he have to show for it from a "progress" standpoint? Not diddley. It's coming to a very quick conclusion that what Romeo thinks,may not make much difference in Cleveland,since he won't be here.
You can call common sense a conspiracy theory if you like. No crime in that. But business is business. And RAC isn't at the top of the food chain here. The guy writing the checks is first in the food chain and Savage is second. RAC's just a third wheel.
How long do you think Savage will be happy watching the talent he's assembled underachieving on the field? How about not being prepared and competative? You think he's going to bare the burden for that?
How long you think Lerner is going to write checks with no results? In the grand scheme of things,nobody cares what "RAC thinks". Because look where that has gotten us so far. All anybody cares about is what RAC "does and produces". His decision making or lack there of.
He's backed himself into a corner on this QB thing. Unless Frye or DA magicly change from a frog into a prince,he's created an atmosphere that the fans,the media,and hell,even DA and Frye don't have confidence in themselves. From everything I've seen,he's simply not NFL head coach material. But he's got 15 more weeks (at the most) to turn this thing around. So he'd better hope that when he does start Quinn early,that he lights the place up. Or it's lights out for RAC.
That's the business aspect of it. Nobody writes 150 mil in checks every year to spin their wheels in the muck and the mire. Not even Lerner. And I don't blame him.
Don't be surprised to hear rumors of our ownership and brain trust talking to Marty and/or Cowher. They're not going to risk Brady with RAC. Not unless he pulls something off REAL QUICK to "prove" he deserves that chance. They will protect this team and their investment at all costs. And RAC just very well may be part of that equasion. Conspiracy? No. Just smart business people using common sense. And I'm pretty sure they don't really care what "RAC thinks" about that either.
From what I've seen from him? I sure as hell don't trust him to coach Quinn. There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity. And for some reason,I don't expect Lerner and Phil to cross that line.
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If Anderson sucks, play Frye. If Frye sucks, play Anderson
The problem with this strategy is that they are NOT Montana & Young, or even Brees & Rivers...It Makes No Difference when they Both Suck! Teams are not scared of either guy, so what's the point of all the mystery. RAC needs to name a guy so Our team knows who we got! JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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WOW,, I'm watching "The Point After" on Channel 3 right now,, and Jim Donovan opened the program with the news that Ken Dorsey was back in town talking to the team in Berea.....
Grossi was the only one that offered up a thought as to what that means,,, Grossi said that Dorsey will be resigned and will start on Sunday. I didn't hear him say who would be cut....
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Have a link? What a mess this will become if true. They will look like such a bunch of fools. I never wanted Dorsey cut but to bring him back now is going to look bad. I understand if they are going to cut Frye but starting Dorsey? I think a sportswriter has too much time on his hands. 
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WOW,, I'm watching "The Point After" on Channel 3 right now,, and Jim Donovan opened the program with the news that Ken Dorsey was back in town talking to the team in Berea.....
Grossi was the only one that offered up a thought as to what that means,,, Grossi said that Dorsey will be resigned and will start on Sunday. I didn't hear him say who would be cut....
WOW indeed....Frye or Anderson? Maybe the new P and Anderson will punt with his arm? Is that even allowed? Guess not....too bad 
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WOW,, I'm watching "The Point After" on Channel 3 right now,, and Jim Donovan opened the program with the news that Ken Dorsey was back in town talking to the team in Berea.....
Grossi was the only one that offered up a thought as to what that means,,, Grossi said that Dorsey will be resigned and will start on Sunday. I didn't hear him say who would be cut....
WOW indeed....Frye or Anderson? Maybe the new P and Anderson will punt with his arm? Is that even allowed? Guess not....too bad
I find it hard to believe that Frye would go from opening day starter to cut after one bad performance - you don't start a guy you cut on a whim. I think it's much more likely that we see Ernster cut and go with 4 QBs for a while until things sort themselves out.
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Great news, if it happens! I wanted Dorsey here, so that BQ could continue to learn from him. Dorsey and Quinn is the right combo for us. DA and CF are too busy looking over their shoulders to be any help to BQ. JMHO Go Brownies!!!
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Grossi also said Jim Tressell was going to coach the Browns this year, so take anything he says with a couple pounds of salt.
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Great news, if it happens! I wanted Dorsey here, so that BQ could continue to learn from him. Dorsey and Quinn is the right combo for us. DA and CF are too busy looking over their shoulders to be any help to BQ. JMHO Go Brownies!!!
I would LOVE to see Dorsey come back to us. He was huge for Brady. However, let it be at Ernster's expense right now.
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Grossi was the only one that offered up a thought as to what that means,,, Grossi said that Dorsey will be resigned and will start on Sunday. I didn't hear him say who would be cut....
I saw that somewhere else.
That didn't take very long.
I would sign Dorsey now and give Chuck his papers in the morning.
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In like Quinn? Browns mull QB changes after dismal loss to Steelers Posted: Monday September 10, 2007 7:22PM; Updated: Monday September 10, 2007 7:22PM CLEVELAND (AP) -- For one of the rare times in his football life, Brady Quinn was a game-day spectator. Instead of a helmet, he wore a brown-and-orange baseball cap. He carried a clipboard. Quinn stood on the sideline and watched, maybe for one of the last times. Tagged since April's draft as Cleveland's quarterback of the future, Quinn could soon become the Browns' man of the moment. In the aftermath of a 34-7 drubbing against Pittsburgh in Sunday's season opener, Cleveland coach Romeo Crennel didn't rule out Quinn making his NFL debut this week against Cincinnati. Quinn served as Cleveland's emergency quarterback on Sunday, but after both starter Charlie Frye and backup Derek Anderson failed miserably against the Steelers, the Browns may soon turn to their high-profile rookie from Notre Dame. Is Quinn ready? "You'll have to ask Brady that," said tight end Steve Heiden, one of the Browns' co-captains. "But from what I've seen, I think he is." Quinn's readiness is at the heart of an internal debate raging inside Cleveland's team headquarters. The Browns don't want to rush the 22-year-old Quinn into the starting lineup. But after seeing both Frye and Anderson throw interceptions, force passes into tight coverage, and in Frye's case, hold the ball too long, the club may have no other choice. Quinn missed 16 practices during a holdout in training camp, and the Browns might feel he hasn't taken enough practice snaps to effectively run their offense against a rugged early schedule that includes Pittsburgh, Oakland, Baltimore and New England -- all top 10 defenses last season. The Browns' preference would be for Quinn to sit and learn for as long as possible. That's the short-term plan. What remains to be seen is how long Crennel and general manager Phil Savage stick with it if Frye and/or Anderson continue to struggle. During his news conference on Monday, Crennel said he would not discuss any possible personnel moves with the media until he had spoken to his players following an afternoon film session and meeting. Pressed by reporters on whether he felt Quinn was ready for the Bengals, Crennel, who dropped to 1-12 against AFC North teams, became annoyed with the line of questioning. "For me to make a comment on where I think Brady is or where he is on the depth chart, that's making a personnel decision," Crennel said, "so I'm not going to do that." Crennel did say Quinn would be part of any conversation about the quarterback situation, which became more muddled Monday when Ken Dorsey, released by the team on Sept. 1, was at the team's training facility. Dorsey served as a mentor for Quinn during training camp, and his return could add credence to the Browns getting Quinn ready for the Bengals. Crennel has been firm on not wanting to accelerate Quinn's growth track. And despite the lopsided loss -- Cleveland's eighth straight to the Steelers -- he hasn't changed his stance. Crennel felt throwing Quinn into Sunday's debacle in the fourth quarter would have done the rookie more harm than good. Frye didn't have such protection. After winning an open competition during the preseason over Anderson, Frye was yanked by Crennel with 6:34 remaining in the second quarter. By then, he had gone 4-of-10 for 34 yards, thrown a horrible interception and been sacked five times. If that wasn't bad enough, some Cleveland fans booed Frye, while others chanted "Bra-dy," "Bra-dy." Crennel's quick hook of Frye could indicate the coach's lack of confidence in the third-year veteran, just 6-13 as a starter. Crennel felt the move was his only option in a game that was quickly slipping away. "If you don't pull him your team might say: 'The coach is not doing enough to win, or to try to win,"' Crennel said. "I think that Charlie didn't play his best game and he would say that he needs to improve. I don't think that he holds it against me for taking him out when I did. I was just trying to do what I thought was best for the team. That's what a coach has to do." Anderson was only slightly better than Frye. He went 13-of-28 for 184 yards and produced Cleveland's only touchdown. While he may have a stronger arm than Frye or Quinn, Anderson has a tendency to make poor decisions with the ball. But Anderson, who made three starts last season, remains a safe option if the Browns want to wait on Quinn. Either way, Cleveland's quarterback drama drags on. Heiden said that if Crennel decides to make a switch, he'll have the backing of everyone in Cleveland's locker room. "Whoever he says is the guy, is the guy," he said. "I think we're all on the same page and we all want the best person to play. You could ask 53 guys in this locker room and they'll all say the same thing. "We all just want to win and the quarterbacks would say the same." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/09/10/browns.qbs.ap/index.html
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Mary Kay is also reporting a Ken Dorsey sighting. http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2007/09/cleveland_browns_consider_brin.html Quote:
The Browns confirmed Monday evening that Brady Quinn's mentor, Ken Dorsey, was back in Berea and inside the Browns facility. But Browns spokesman Bill Bonsiewicz said no roster moves were made by Monday's 4 p.m. deadline.
Dorsey will most likely be re-signed on Tuesday. The Browns will then have to make another roster move to make room for him.
Question is, what will they do?
They have some options, including waiving punter Paul Ernster, who dropped his first punt Sunday against the Steelers. If the Browns feel Dave Zastudil (back) is ready, they can release Ernster and keep four quarterbacks for now.
But they can also release one of the quarterbacks, either Derek Anderson or Charlie Frye.
The Browns gave no indication Monday which way they were leaning.
-- Mary Kay Cabot
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I gotta tell you .......
Cutting one of the QBs after 1 game would reek of panic and desperation. Frye was the starter .... and shouldn't be out after 1 bad game. Anderson played OK as the backup, and is capable of coming into the game cold and being at least somewhat competent.
The only thing I can think is that they're going to carry 4 QBs ...... or that someone somewhere else is even more QB desperate than us and a trade is in the works ......... or that one of the QBs will come down with a sudden, and season ending injury.
I so think that a Dorsey signing would lead to the conclusion that the Quinn era is imminent.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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My guess is Lerner has much to do this this decision.
As a owner, it has to be a real concern when your team is getting booed at home before halftime of the first game and see tens of thousands walking home long before the conclusion of the game.
I think he told Savage to sign Dorsey so Quinn has someone half way intelligent to talk to the rest of the season and cut one of the other qbs if they can't figure out someone else to cut instead.
And good for him. I sure as hell wouldn't let some nimrod coach or GM ruin my team.
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Troy Aikmen went what 1-15 his first year and was sacked, but he turned out ok,
If Quinn goes 1-15 his first season the fans will run him out of Cleveland.
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Troy Aikmen went what 1-15 his first year and was sacked, but he turned out ok,
If Quinn goes 1-15 his first season the fans will run him out of Cleveland.
I don't think so.....not this year...they will run RAC and Phil out of town....Quinn will get a pass for a while.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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I Dont Think It Has To Do Aything With 1 Game
It Has To Do With Frye As a Whole
Same Mistakes, Same Frye, New Year...
Thats What It Come Down Too. Atleast In My Eyes
The Quinn Era Was Imminent When We Drafted Him, And SpearHeaded When RAC Yanked Frye..
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