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Bill Barr should be slapped in cuffs for his role in denying congress materials subpoenaed for investigative oversight.

Trump is acting like he is above the law and republicans are silent.

I'm furious watching all of this.

Just watched a bit about Trumps lawyer making an argument that congress has no right to any materials unless the admin deems them 'legislatively relevant' , WTH? Congress has no right to oversight? Congress has no right to investigate suspected crimes commited by trump or people in his admin? Their stance is that Trump can't be charged, can't be investigated, and has no legal reason to comply with any congressional request for documentation or testimony deemed not relevant for having no legislative purpose!

A dictator is rising right in front of our eyes and 30% of the country is rooting it on! Shameful and anti-American, period.

It’s the trump era. Their above the law now. Welcome to the first U.S. dictatorship. Enjoy.

"No legitimate legislative Purpose"... It's time to impeach Trump.

Barr said out loud to Pelosi, "Madam Speaker, did you bring your handcuffs?". Pelosi responded that the congressional Sargent at Arms was present as was the option to arrest. Barr chuckled at her and walked away.

Is this how an AG acts? Barr must be removed and jailed. Period.

Do we need another thread for this? And who cares. Trump is an incompetent moron. Be thankful he's an idiot and not a competent politician.

Yes that’s how a trump AG acts. Loyal to his ruthless dictator.

Pretty much how the Jews throughout Eastern Europe felt about Hitler in the late 1930’s.

There is no thread for this, I looked. This is not a single incident and the white house attorney just released a statement saying the Trump admin will not make anything requested available to Congress because the materials are not legitimate for a legislative purpose, the president can not be indicted therefore can not be investigated. smh, they want an impeachment and the dems should start impeachemnt hearing immediately.

Congrats on making the dumbest post in dawgtalkers history.

'Claiming that the President is a king': White House-Dem oversight feud escalates


(CNN)The White House flatly rejected the House Judiciary Committee's request for documents in its sweeping investigation into possible obstruction of justice, the latest escalation of tension in the battle between President Donald Trump's administration and the Democratic House conducting oversight of the Executive Branch.

In a move House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler compared to "claiming that the President is a king," White House Counsel Pat Cipollone accused the committee in a letter sent Wednesday of seeking to recreate the special counsel investigation to harass the President.

"It appears that the Committee's inquiry is designed, not to further a legitimate legislative purpose, but rather to conduct a pseudo law enforcement investigation on matters that were already the subject of the Special Counsel's long-running investigation and are outside the constitutional authority of the legislative branch," Cipollone wrote.

"Congressional investigations are intended to obtain information to aid in evaluating potential legislation, not to harass political opponents or to pursue an unauthorized 'do-over' of exhaustive law enforcement investigations conducted by the Department of Justice," he added.

The letter adds yet another layer to the escalating feud between the White House and House Democrats over their numerous investigations into the Trump administration and President Donald Trump's businesses and finances.

Nadler responded to the latest Trump administration rejection by accusing the White House of "claiming that the President is a king."

"No President, no person in the United States is above the law. This is preposterous," Nadler told CNN. "They are saying we should end the investigation. We are not ending the investigation. If we were to agree to that, then no president would ever be subject to any kind of investigation for misconduct of any type."

Trump has already declared that his administration will fight all of the House subpoenas — several of which are now being fought in court. The Judiciary Committee voted last week to hold Attorney General William Barr in contempt for not providing the full Mueller report and evidence and the Ways and Means Committee has issued a subpoena for Trump's personal and business tax returns.


more to the story at link:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/15/politics/white-house-letter-jerry-nadler-obstruction-probe/index.html

Not a lawyer, but doesn't that seem to fly in the face of the constitution?

Eric Holder tried that, it didn't work then, why should it work now?

Trump may not believe it, but I don't think he's above the law.

I still go back to one simple thought, why is trump going all out to prevent things from being released if he's innocent?

No reason for it other than, he's not innocent.

government of trump, by trump, for trump

My Pops had a favorite saying he loved to use when describing people like Donald Trump:

"Crooked as a dog's hind leg."

When you do crazy things often enough.... When you lie and repeat them often enough... When you defy the law often enough.... Soon it becomes accepted as normal.

And Trump is banking on it.

You spent 35 million dollars and had a Special Prosecutor with all his own prosecutors but found nothing.

You lied, you pushed the false narrative, You supported those who tried to take down our duly elected President and you were found to be WRONG.

Sorry, No Do Overs.

Things were found and almost everyone knows it. Sorry but the "law" allows congress oversight. Too bad you care more about your orange God than you do the law and what subpoenas mean.

Making excuses for illegal activity is all you have left.

Nothing was found that your Mueller investigation didn't find first.

No Collusion
No Obstruction
No Do overs.

He found obstruction and it's up to congress to figure out what to so about it. I mean if trump would stop obstructing them from doing their job.

When did Mueller say he didn't find obstruction? Oh, that's right, he didn't.

Keep on believing the Democrat spin but Mueller's wasted 35 million and no charges says it all.

So just make the rules up as you go instead of following the laws and constitution? Dictatorship! and comrade 40 is good with that...

The law was followed and Mueller's report said it all.

No Collusion
No Obstruction

NEXT!

I know you have no clue how this works, but the special prosecutor runs the investigation and everything else is left up to congress.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45442.pdf

You scream about your constitutional rights when it comes to the second amendment then make excuses why it doesn't apply to congress. Shameful.

I see the Democrats have finally, finally, decided to read the Mueller report today.

I've read it. Have you? Did you read about congress having oversight of the executive branch as well? I didn't think so. Parrots don't read much.

Of course not. He doesn't even know how a law is made

J\C Soetoro told LYNCH.to tell COMEY to not investigate Hillary in which he didn't and HILLARY was comepletely exonerated without one witness testifying, but they want to slap the cuffs on Barr....whatta a joke

It is funny how some of these guys cry for the Constitution and the Rule of Law while supporting open borders, Sanctuary Cities and ignoring Federal Law on Marijuana possession.

Hypocrite much?

I expect lots of time in court rooms before anything would happen. The cases would probably last longer than Trump is in office. So, rather than taking it to the Judicial Courts, people are airing things in the court of public opinion. Democrats are trying to gain ground in the next election, so they can fill their own pockets a bit more readily the next go round.

Found this when looking for a refresher on which branch had what powers:



Link

So basically it sounds like there will be lots of lawyers and loophole jumping and not a whole lot actually getting done. Still, lots of law firms will be racking up billable hours on the taxpayers' dime. I'm honestly not sure how it would work with the "government" on both sides of any case between Congress and the President.

It probably won't be taken to the Supreme Court because Democrats in Congress wouldn't want to risk losing the case. 5 of the Justices were appointed by Republicans (2 by Trump himself and the others by one Bush or the other). Innocence until proven guilty leaves lots of wiggle room. The law is also not particularly clear in many relevant areas. Plus, there are lots of ways for money, power, and prestige to come into play.

Politics, Business/Money, and the Law/Lawyers- my personal pet peeve trifecta. What a tangled, jacked up mess.

Here it is 5/16 and you're still talking about some not existent obstruction. Obstruction to what? Collusion? There was no collusion? So obstruction to what?

Barr already declared there was no obstruction. Get over it dude.

Why? For pointing out that the Jews of Eastern Europe knew that Hitler was an incompetent moron, an idiot, and an incompetent politician like trump? Or for pointing out that a certain percentage of the German public was all for Hitler and his final solution for wiping them all off the face of the earth?

STOP IT ALREADY.. WE DID NOT FIND NOTHING>... DAMN man,, what the hell is wrong with you...Have you taken the time to read the redacted Mueller report..... Have you?

I doubt it..

This report DOES NOT exonerate Trump......He says it does, but if he really knew that to be fact, there is no reason to stand in the way of allowing the full report to be released

THere would be no reason to stop Barr from Testifying.

No reason to stand in the way of Don McGann from testifying.

No Reason not to release his tax returns

No reason not to release Trump Org financials documents

he's so full of crap and whats worse,, people believe him....

Barr is a professional, praised by many over the decades.

I trust his legal opinion over the emotionally disturbed, politically motivated folks who never came to grips with
Trump's victory.

Mueller couldn't decide so he left it to Justice to make the call.

Case Closed.
No Do Overs.

Barr believes a president is above the law and it is impossible for him to obstruct. That's how he got the job in the first place. I know you haven't been keeping up.

The 10 instances of possible obstruction in Mueller report

https://www.apnews.com/e0d125d737be4a21a81bec3d9f1dffd8

Educate yourself more and babble less.

Once again your sour grapes have turned into whine.

I know you're getting very used to covering for criminal behavior but it's quite unbecoming of you.

"Squirrel!"


deflect much?
Bring game, or cool your keyboard, rookie.

The judges and the Congress need to keep releasing to the public.

Judge orders public release of what Michael Flynn said in call to Russian ambassador
Carol D. Leonnig and Rosalind S. Helderman, The Washington Post Published 9:47 pm CDT, Thursday, May 16, 2019




WASHINGTON - A federal judge on Thursday ordered that prosecutors make public a transcript of a phone call that former national security adviser Michael Flynn tried hard to hide with a lie: his conversation with a Russian ambassador in late 2016.

U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan in Washington ordered the government also to provide a public transcript of a November 2017 voice mail involving Flynn. In that sensitive call, President Donald Trump's attorney left a message for Flynn's attorney reminding him of the president's fondness for Flynn at a time when Flynn was considering cooperating with federal investigators.

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The transcripts, which the judge ordered be posted on a court website by May 31, would reveal conversations at the center of two major avenues of special counsel Robert Mueller III's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. So far they have only been disclosed to the public in fragments in court filings and the Mueller report.

Sullivan also ordered that still-redacted portions of the Mueller report that relate to Flynn be given to the court and made public.

Sullivan's orders came very shortly after government prosecutors agreed to release some sealed records in Flynn's case. The release was in response to a motion filed with the court earlier this year by The Washington Post, which argued that the public deserved to know more about Flynn's role in key events and cooperation with investigators.

Flynn pleaded guilty in December 2017 to one felony count of making a false statement to FBI investigators about his contact with the ambassador and awaits sentencing.

The purpose of the phone calls, and the motives of the callers, have been hotly debated.

In the December 2016 call, Flynn urged that the Kremlin not get too riled up about U.S. sanctions that President Barack Obama had just announced against Russia and to give Trump time to take office. That conversation, intercepted by U.S. intelligence, raised grave concerns about Russians' secret and frequent contact with Trump allies and advisers during the campaign and before his inauguration.

In the second conversation, an attorney for Trump tried to learn whether Flynn had any problematic information about the president after Flynn's attorney signaled his client might begin cooperating with Mueller's investigators. The attorney was John Dowd, then a private attorney for the president, according to people familiar with the episode. The special counsel was then threatening to charge Flynn with lying to FBI agents about his call to the ambassador. Dowd's voice mail was scrutinized as Mueller's investigators probed whether the president engaged in obstruction of justice to try to thwart the probe, and whether he deployed his aides to assist him.

In one of the previously redacted filings released Thursday, prosecutors said Flynn described multiple episodes in which "he or his attorneys received communications from persons connected to the Administration or Congress that could have affected both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation."

In addition to the transcripts, it also is possible that the judge may release the audio recordings of the conversations. In his Thursday order, Sullivan directed that the government provide a copy of those recordings to him in his chambers, along with any other calls Flynn made to the Russians, so he can review them.

Dowd and the president's current attorney, Jay Sekulow, declined to comment as did a spokesman for the White House.

Robert Kelner, the attorney for Flynn, could not be reached for comment Thursday night.

The newly unsealed portions of court records showed Flynn was a fount of useful information to the special counsel's team in 2017 and 2018, helping it probe the Trump campaign's effort to gain stolen emails and the question of whether Trump sought to criminally interfere in the investigation bearing down on him.

The records confirm the questions that Flynn, a retired lieutenant general and former military intelligence officer, helped federal prosecutors answer after his guilty plea. Flynn admitted in 2017 that he tried to conceal the nature of his conversations with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, and then began cooperating with Mueller's team to try to reduce and possibly avoid a prison sentence.

Flynn also provided the special counsel with information about efforts by the Trump campaign and Trump allies to seek out stolen emails during the campaign after WikiLeaks began publishing internal Democratic correspondence in July 2016, the records show. He also provided evidence of "multiple efforts" by people connected to Trump that could have impacted his willingness to cooperate with the probe, useful information as Mueller explored whether the president obstructed justice.

At the same time, Flynn assisted federal prosecutors based in Alexandria, Virginia, who were preparing criminal charges against his former business partner, Bijan Kian, for working as an unregistered agent of Turkey. Kian has pleaded not guilty to the charges. He is expected to face trial in July, and Flynn is expected to be a critical witness for the government.

The new material echoes the Mueller report findings, but helps explain why prosecutors told Sullivan they had found Flynn's cooperation valuable and recommended he receive little or no prison time.

Ultimately, Flynn opted to postpone his sentencing when Sullivan said he was distressed by Flynn's conduct and said he was inclined to give him prison time if he hadn't yet finished cooperating with the government.

The Mueller team analyzed the Dowd call to Kelner and other allies' outreach to Flynn for possible obstruction of justice, but ultimately determined the evidence of Trump's intent was "inconclusive." Mueller's team noted their inquiry was hampered because much of the conduct involved Trump's legal team, and concerns about attorney-client privilege limited the special counsel's investigation.

Mueller's team noted in particular that in November 2017 - after Flynn withdrew from his joint defense agreement with the president - Trump's "personal counsel", who was Dowd, left a voice mail for Kelner that urged him to give a "heads up" if they had anything that implicated the president. He added: "remember what we've always said about the President and his feelings toward Flynn." In a later call, Kelner repeated that he could not share information with Dowd, and Dowd grew indignant and said he believed the president would be very displeased, the report said.

Trump seemed particularly eager to convey his affection for Flynn after Flynn left the White House in the wake of reports about his calls with Kislyak. Former White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus told Mueller's team that Trump asked him to call Flynn after he was let go to convey that the and former deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland both told investigators Trump asked them to reach out to Flynn to check on him and tell him to stay strong, according to Mueller's report.

Those that ignore what's going on will never find out since they refuse to look. They just parrot White House propaganda.

From your article...

The Mueller team analyzed the Dowd call to Kelner and other allies' outreach to Flynn for possible obstruction of justice, but ultimately determined the evidence of Trump's intent was "inconclusive."

Nuff said.

No charges, No crime.

Moving along now, got immigration, crazy Iranians, the economy and Trade talks to do.

Mueller Said He Would Have Exonerated Trump On Obstruction If The Evidence Supported It, But He Couldn’t

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/donald-trump-obstruction-mueller-report