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This is not the first time this has come up....The Packers last year caught the same guy....its said they did not pursue the matter because they had just gotten beat 35 - 0 and did not want to complain that they cheated after getting stomped.

Also as for the wiring of other players...A couple of seasons ago....Pats vs Steelers.....a Pat linemen gets injured and is laying on the field....trainers from both teams ran onto the field...as is the standard procedure....Bill B ran onto the field...and forced the Steeler trainers from the field....saying their people can handle it.

It seemed very odd then...and their were more than a few rumors after the game.....They interviewed the Steelers trainers...and they were very taken back by it....basically saying its never happened before...and they could not envision a scenario where you would not want all the help you can get when it comes to a players health and safety.

This LINK says its the 4th time in the last year they have been caught

HACK

I think that one of the items to get the point across would be to suspend Bellicheck for 4 games.

That with the draft picks will get the point across.

Yeah I can see why that would be considered odd. Who knows how long they have been cheating. We probably never will know, but I hope Goodell really looks deep into it and sticks them with the harshest penalty he can.

It is SOP for trainers from either team to help a player if he's hurt seriously.
Happens in hockey, too. I remember a Boston Bruins' player getting knocked out when his head hit the boards, a Montreal Canadiens' trainer jumped right off the bench to help him. It's called doing the right thing.
If Belichick has a problem with that, then he IS an ass.

My uncle Bill wouldn't do that!

Ok, seriously, if this does turn out to be true, I'd lose a lot of respect for him.

He should have done it when he coached for us as well, then it'd be fine

I don't understand how anyone can have any respect for him anyways.

He's a childish ass.

He's a distant relative of mine.

Anyways, I mean from a coaching standpoint- what he's done with the Patriots and their Superbowls. Now, if this has been going on for some time, that would be very, very disappointing knowing all those championships were tainted...........wait..........


I wonder if Romeo was in on it

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I wonder if Romeo was in on it

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He is pretty secretive.

Thought this was good.

This is getting better and better. Goodell believes that the Pat's cheated.

If you click on the link and view the video, it makes a number of valid points.

Pat's Are Cheaters

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the New England Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets' coaches, according to league sources.



NFL security officials confiscated a camera and videotape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella on the New England sidelines when it was suspected he was recording the Jets' defensive signals. Sources say the visual evidence confirmed the suspicion.



Goodell is considering severe sanctions, including the possibility of docking the Patriots "multiple draft picks" because it is the competitive violation in the wake of a stern warning to all teams since he became commissioner, the sources said. The Patriots have been suspected in previous incidents.



The Patriots will be allowed an opportunity to present their case by Friday, sources said, most likely via the telephone.



NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said on Tuesday that no official decision has been made and that the club has not been notified.



The league also was reviewing a possible violation into the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using during Sunday's game, sources said. The team did not have a satisfactory explanation when asked about possible irregularities in its communication setup during the game.



Goodell is expected to have a decision no later than Friday, but that date is not set in stone.



Patriots owner Robert Kraft was asked Tuesday when he expected a verdict, but said those questions had to be directed toward Goodell.



"There is an investigation going on now, and perhaps an adjudication of it, and I think it would be inappropriate at this time to make any comment," Kraft told reporters at a charity appearance Tuesday. "When you're successful in anything, a lot of people like to try to take you down and do different things. We understand that.



"We worked very hard to try to put an organization together that we all could be proud of in New England, and we're very proud of the New England Patriots organization and the record that they've established over the last 13 seasons and one game."


Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

And this from his old "Buddy"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014677

How it came to light?

NEW YORK -- A story in Wednesday's New York Daily News claims that Jets coach Eric Mangini, a former New England assistant under Bill Belichick, came armed with keen knowledge of the team's surveillance methods -- and finally decided to act.

"[The Jets] knew they did it," the Daily News wrote, citing a person with knowledge of the situation, who sent the newspaper an e-mail. "They caught the guy a year ago, but couldn't do anything about it. When Eric came, he said that's what they used to do. Bill is going to be [ticked] at Eric. He kissed and told."

Sunday's game was the fifth time Mangini has coached against Belichick since joining the Jets.

Typical Belichick,,, Got caught cheating,, doesn't know what to say so he says nothing,.,,,,

Anyway, I hadn't thought about the Eric Mangini angle to this. I had forgotten that he was with the Pats for a while and had to be aware of this activity.

Does anyone find it wierd that Wiess, RAC and Mangini have never spoken up about this. They all had to know!

Have we played the Pats since RAC took over as HC here.. I can't remember. If we did and he knew this happened, maybe he had a deal with Belichick,, do what you want, but don't do it to me kinda thing...LOL

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d802456c2&template=without-video&confirm=true

Posted: 3 minutes ago
Belichick speaks with Goodell, apologizes for videotape flap
Associated Press


FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick apologized to his team on Wednesday and confirmed that he has spoken to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell about his "interpretation" of league rules that ban videotaping of the opposing sideline.

It was not clear what Belichick was apologizing for, and the coach repeatedly refused to elaborate on a one-paragraph statement issued 10 minutes before a regularly scheduled news conference to discuss Sunday night's game against the San Diego Chargers.

"At this point, we have not been notified of the league's ruling," Belichick said in a statement. "Although it remains a league matter, I want to apologize to everyone who has been affected, most of all ownership, staff and players. Following the league's decision, I will have further comment."

The statement said Belichick spoke with Goodell this week about a "videotaping procedure" during last Sunday's game and "my interpretation of the rules."

After about 15 minutes discussing Sunday's game, Belichick was pressed harder on his "interpretation of the rules," and the coach walked out of the room.

NFL security confiscated a video camera and tape from a Patriots employee during New England's 38-14 victory over the New York Jets on Sunday. The employee was accused of aiming his camera at the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.

ESPN.com, citing league sources, reported Tuesday that Goodell has determined the Patriots violated league rules that ban videotaping of defensive signals. The report also said the Patriots have not yet presented their case to the league.

The Web site's report said Goodell is considering severe sanctions, including docking the Patriots "multiple draft picks." A league spokesman said only that an investigation is under way, and both teams said no decision has been made.

Asked repeatedly to elaborate on the statement and the effect it might have on his team, Belichick was left begging for football questions. But few in the media workroom had come to hear about San Diego.

"Any questions about the Chargers?" he pleaded in his standard other-things-to-do monotone. "Want to talk about the football game? If not, I think that statement pretty much covers it."

It appeared that he might find no takers, before one reporter asked about defending against Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson.

The coach smiled.

"Whatever happens out there Sunday night, out there on the field, that's where everybody will make their statement," he said.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved

Can we have their docked draft picks? We need them.

I really dont think the punishment will be enough.

IMO, they should take the 1st and 2nd round pick away this year. Award the Jets a win and them a loss AND suspend Bill. They told them multiple times not to do it and they did it.

Yeah, a fine would do nothing. They're worth a billion dollars.....like a 1 million dollar fine would do anything.

Dock high draft picks and suspend Bill for one week (though he'd still find a way to coach the team from his house).

Beichecks apoligizes to ownership, staff and the players. What about the fans? Without the fans, nobody in the NFL would be millionares
They should be top priority. Well, the players should be top since the put their bodies on the line and that what the fans pay for.

Let me get this straight....this video camera had to have a live feed to somewhere in the Patriots booth, right? Otherwise, how could they change plays so quickly when the Jets did?

Maybe the NFL should send a guy to sit in the booth with them.

Like Solomon Wilcot pointed out on NFLTA, they use the video along with formation photos to connect the calls with the formations, once they connect the two, when the see the formations they know the calls.

IMHO, nothing short of a combination of substantial fines, lengthy suspensions, loss of high and multiple draft picks and banning Bill from the Hall is good enough. This stinks and Belichick's use of the term "his interpretation of the rules" needs to be called what it is; cheating.

Yeah fining them does nothing. It still gives Jets the loss. It still gives them the advantage. I mean if it was just a fine then everyone does it.

RG already took major action against players and the coaches should be treated the same. They make rules, someone breaks them gotta give them hell. Especially since they have been KNOWN for this before and got WARNED many times by the NFL that it is now against the rules. I mean give me a break. 'We would only use it when the games close' Its the same thing regardless if it was close or not. Cheating is cheating. Dont give me no, well we would only use it if the game was close towards the end bs.

Now I know why they do so good all the time, they cheat!

They should have to forfeit their first and second round picks for the 08 draft or something.

Man, I hated the Patriots before this, now I hate that organization even more.

Down with Belichick.

NRTU

I agree with everyone who has said that they need to dock draft picks... but it has to be HIGH draft picks... a 4th round does nothing to them... they kept what on their roster? two draft picks from this year?

Dock HIGH draft picks, fine, and suspend Bill

After this incident is over, the Patriots are expected to change their logo to fit in line with their past history:

New Logo*



Sorry, image too big to paste here.

Don't forget the zoom lens.....

LMAO - that's pretty good.

hahahaha

I think they need to disban the Pats...And give us first choice of the players we want.

Eagles try and recall everything fishy about Super Bowl loss to Patriots

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Sheldon Brown and the Eagles hoped a blitz would rattle Tom Brady.

One problem: Every time the Eagles rushed Brady in the Super Bowl, the Patriots nullified the defensive attack with screen passes. Lots of them. On almost every play defensive coordinator Jim Johnson called for a blitz, the Patriots used the short pass to confuse the Eagles.

After the Patriots beat the Eagles 24-21 in 2005 to win the Lombardi Trophy, Brown thought the Patriots beat them with nothing but sharp offensive playcalling. Now, he's not so sure.

With spying accusations leveled this week against the Patriots, some of the Eagles left from the NFC title team are wondering if New England used bootleg film to their advantage in the Super Bowl.

"Do I think about it? Mmm hmmm," said Brown, their starting cornerback. "It's crazy. I just don't know how far back it goes. Something's not right about that."

Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins found the accusations troublesome.

"Now there's always going to be questions about the situation," Dawkins said Thursday. "Was it great adjustments at halftime or what?"

Pittsburgh wide receiver Hines Ward said this week that he suspected the Patriots had some type of inside information on the Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season. While Ward said the Patriots knew a lot of Pittsburgh's calls, none of the Eagles could offer any type of solid proof of any shenanigans.

"For me to think back two years ago about something they may or may not have done, it's not worth my time," running back Brian Westbrook said.

New England beat the New York Jets in last Sunday's season opener in which an on-field video camera allegedly focusing on Jets coaches was confiscated from a Patriots employee. The league confirmed that it is investigating whether coach Bill Belichick and the Patriots were responsible for taping the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.

"I would like to think it's just one team doing it, but it doesn't shock me that it happened," Dawkins said.

Some Eagles said occasional signal-stealing is an accepted part of the game. But they believe what the Patriots are accused of doing crosses the football morality line because it threatens the integrity of the game.

"It's different if you're talking about recording it," Dawkins said. "What can you do if you try to signal a play in?"

Eagles coach Andy Reid steered away from questions about the alleged cheating other than to say he has no doubts New England's victory was legitimate.

"That's something Bill and the Patriots are working through," Reid said.

Brown said he noticed a difference in New England's playcalling in the second quarter. After the Patriots gained only 45 yards in the first quarter, they had 286 over the next three.

Brady hit running back Corey Dillon and gained 29 total yards on a pair of screens to open New England's first full drive of the second quarter. They didn't score on that drive, but did on four of the next five drives.

The Patriots went to the screen pass again on the decisive drive early in the fourth quarter, this time with Brady connecting with Kevin Faulk on two passes for 27 yards.

"I was like, 'Man, I never saw that many screens," Brown said.

Brown wonders if it was normal playcalling from a team good enough to win three Super Bowls in four seasons, a Patriots team that used a strong scouting report to gain a fair edge, or was somebody picking up the Eagles defensive calls from a sideline camera that deprived them of a fair shot?

"I think they should forfeit, man," said punt returner Reno Mahe, smiling. "We won the Super Bowl. I think we should get it. I'm going to go trade my NFC championship ring for a Super Bowl ring."

The headline over a picture of Belichick on the back page of Thursday's Philadelphia Daily News might have said it all: "Counterfeit RING: Spy Scandal Helps Explain Birds' Super Bowl Loss."

Hey, maybe the illicit tape would show once and for all if Donovan McNabb really did get sick in the huddle late in the game. Remember, that was Philadelphia's first excuse for losing.

McNabb -- who insisted the Eagles would never stoop to those kind of tactics -- was surprised to hear the allegations against the Patriots. But he said the suspicions might be overblown.

"One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."

That doesn't mean McNabb won't clear some space in his jewelry box. For a city that last saw a pro team win a championship nearly 25 years ago, the Eagles might accept a retroactive one.

"Maybe we'll get our ring back," said a chuckling McNabb. "Maybe we'll get the real one."

You know what's funny about this thing ... listening to the hypocrits in the sports media regarding the subject. Since EPSN is pretty much in Patriots Country, they seem to be the worst. You know all those guys, who for years have been ridiculing Bonds and other baseball players who potentially used steroids, and telling the public they should be banned for life, etc ... Now out pop thier favorite poster boy in the Patriots, caught red-handed (there's no "alleged" in this case) ... and now they're using every excusing in the book: "Well, it doesn't give you THAT much of an advantage" ... "Everyone else is already doing it." ... etc. You know, the same excuses they were brushing aside for years with the steroid investigations.

Hold on to your hat Ex.

We agree 100%!

Already a song parody...

Shady Brady and Bill Belicheat

You GOTTA love it!

That's really funny - and pretty good...