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Thanks for sharing.
I don't understand why the writer felt it was important to compare Chubb and Bell. Wish our Browns writers would kill the comparisons, and just let the Browns become great on their own merits.
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I can't wait for Moneyball 2, the movie, when they have the scene where Paul Depodesta (played again by Jonah Hill) and John Dorsey (played by Ed Harris) are begging Hue Jackson (played by Tyler Perry) to bench Carlos Hyde and play Nick Chubb at running back. And Jackson, in his best stubborn Art Howe impression, says "No, I'm the coach, and Hyde is my running back." And Dorsey responds back with, "Well you can do what you like, but you can't play Hyde, because he plays for Jacksonville now ..." Tyler Perry would be terrible casting for Hue. That part should be played by Charles Dutton. There is physical resemblance and he's a better actor, though lesser known than Perry.
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Nice read. I love Chubb's game-- great burst, elusiveness, runs for power, good catching the ball out of the backfield, doesn't fumble. He's an all-around great player.
I also think that the addition of Hunt will help keep Chubb healthier and more effective in the long-run by divvying the touches up more than we might otherwise see.
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Absolutely he is a factor back ... He has Power, He has breakaway speed, he is elusive in the hole, he can catch the ball out of the backfield, and his blocking improved over the season ... Yes he is
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The Cleveland Browns tweeted out a hype video for running back Nick Chubb. That’s perfectly normal, and those things tend to draw Dawg Pound loyalists in the comments. This time, a Dawg of a different breed chimed in. Chubb’s Georgia Bulldog backfield mate, Sony Michel, retweeted the post and added his own comment, “Favorite player in the NFL”. Chubb and Michel each rushed for over 1,200 yards in 2017, their final season together at Georgia. Taken less than 10 spots apart in the 2018 NFL Draft, each posted over 900 yards rushing as rookies. Much to the chagrin of Patriots fans, who quickly flooded the responses with pleas for Tom Brady, Michel proved that college ties bind hard. https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/...-is-nick-chubb/
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Nick is probably a tier 2 back at this point, which is good enough. I wouldn't place him with Zeke or Barkley. With the work, maybe a Melvin Gordon range.
That works.
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Nick is probably a tier 2 back at this point, which is good enough. I wouldn't place him with Zeke or Barkley. With the work, maybe a Melvin Gordon range.
That works. He could end up being a Peterson type back or William Green
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Nick is probably a tier 2 back at this point, which is good enough. I wouldn't place him with Zeke or Barkley. With the work, maybe a Melvin Gordon range.
That works. If Chubb becomes Gordon minus Gordon injuries, I'll be perfectly happy.
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I hope Chubb becomes Chubb... which I know he will.
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Nick is probably a tier 2 back at this point, which is good enough. I wouldn't place him with Zeke or Barkley. With the work, maybe a Melvin Gordon range.
That works. 1. I thought Chubb was the best RB we had since 1999 and that was him as a rookie not really seeing the ball much until Hyde was traded. And then it took time to really get going when Kitchens finally took over.
I think we have a hidden gem if all are rating him as a 2nd tier RB...again he did some amazing things.
None more awakening than him breaking the record for longest run in our history of great elite RBs including the legend Jim Brown.
I think the kid has special written all over him...and I'm pretty sure he was in elite strata sphere on yards after first contact!
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, boy does that helmet look too big for him.... 
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I see you've become a huge Warren Sharp fan.
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Because I post a tweet by Warren Sharp? I post several tweets by MKC and Tony Grossi and don't like either as a journalist.
What connection are you trying to make?
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Finding statistics interesting or pointing out Haley's lack of utilizing Chubb enough?
If it's the former... Yeah, you're right. I can't let go of analytics and it's impact on the game.
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j/c - Looking at the highlights, Chubb is probably more special than I remember him. He seems to do a lot of things really well. I'll be interested to see if he can continue to be a factor in the passing game - that element of his game was better and surprised me a bit last year.
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It's hard for some people to remember him that way. As a freshman at Georgia he rushed 219 times for 1547 yards with an average of 7.1 yards per carry and 14td's. He wasn't asked to catch much then but he still averaged 11.8 yards per carry and added two more TD's. As a sophomore he had a severe knee injury. He slowly recovered and was almost back to his old form in 2017 averaging 6 yards per carry with 1345 yards rushing and 15 td's. And in addition, during 2017 he was sharing rushing duties with Sony Michel.
There was some debate when he was drafted. My side of the debate was that he was close to being his old self and well on his way to being what could produce a top 10 NFL RB. I stand by that opinion.
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Did Mary Kay write the article?
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I don't think there is any way that he gets 2,000 yards, but then again........how many have?
One thing that stood out to me from the article was how Chubb could have been upset w/the Hunt signing, but he hasn't said a word and the author said that they have become friends.
That's pretty impressive.
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I don't think there is any way that he gets 2,000 yards, but then again........how many have? The way I read it was that he would have 2000 yards from scrimmage. 24) Chubb reminds me of Emmitt Smith. Any good running back could rack up big numbers on this Browns offense. A potentially great one could approach 2,000 yards. Emmitt was a great player in a great situation, the type of runner who rarely made mental mistakes, who had great vision, who gained extra yards by leaning on folks, yet had surprising lateral quickness to make defenders miss in the hole.
I'm not saying Chubb will have Smith's career, but Chubb could go from an impressive, underestimated supporting player as a rookie like Smith to the guy everyone is writing about because his numbers demand attention. Smith jumped from 1,165 yards from scrimmage as a rookie to 1,821 as a second-year player, the type of jump that is within Chubb's grasp. Give Chubb the ball and good things happen.
If that's the case then 67 guys have done it. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/yds_from_scrimmage_single_season.htm
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You're right. I skim read it. My apologies.
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A bit off topic maybe, but is Freddie's offense able to consider a Hunt AND Chubb backfield set or playset? lone back or lead back blocking is one thing. But just scratching plays in my head, trying to contain the pair could be a real headache. Mayfield could use the ground stuff as a change of pace/closer part of offense. This thought of the two of them is intriguing me, and I can't help but remember Csonka and the Fins. I think it was Kiick and Mercury Morris. Just thinking out loud, but I think we can field a genuine no-mercy offense.
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There were a few times that Chubb and Duke Johnson were on the field together last year. I think having Chubb and Hunt on the field together will be more of a gimmick than a regular occurrence.
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Skies the limit with dude ... tons of talent and an awesome work ethic and a really football smart young man and also just a smart dude ... He can catch also ... wait til ya’all see ... Freddie will take advantage of it ... he didn’t get the opportunity at Georgia ... just cause he didn’t get the opportunity don’t mean he can’t ... he has soft hands and catches with palms up (  ) .... After that knee injury despite not being fully recovered at the end of his senior season he was still good enough to get drafted at the top of round 2 and right in the middle of a very strong RB class ... last year he showed a great burst and breakaway speed he didn’t show even in his senior year in college ... if he was 100% healthy who knows how much higher he would have went ... could have been close to or right near Bark’s level ... Skies the limit with dude ... so glad we have him .. looking forward to see how high he rises among the stars ... 
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I think the idea of Chubb & Hunt in the backfield together is exciting but not something we'd see often.
I think Chubb is going to be great - I think Hunt is probably at this point even more special when he's playing. He's a top 5 back int he NFL in my eyes. If Chubb learns from that, if they are friends ... I think that's all to the good.
I think Hunt being out 8 games is perfect. It means Chubb gets the chance to set himself up as the man - no ifs ands or buts. No controversy. When Hunt comes in fresh half way through the season it should be an extra spark - Chubb can be spelled and get back to 100% health because they are all nicked up after 8 games.... I don't know how you keep both happy for a full 16 games eason if they are both available for every game .... but this sets up very nicely.
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In his 1st 6 games, Chubb had a combined 16 carries. He wound up with 192. So he had 176 carries in his final 10 games, or 17.6 per game.
If we assume that we learn how to use him even better with a full camp and experience in the offense, maybe he makes 20 carries/game. (not unreasonable) That would give him 320 carries, and if he holds his 5.2 yards/carry, that would give him 1664 yards rushing. At 25 carries/game, it would be 2080 yards.
Will he be able to maintain that average? Who knows? However, assuming greater offensive production in the pass game, with the Safeties having to play outside of the box, I could see us running a fair amount. We ran 416 times last year ... so 400 for Chubb is not completely impossible.
I was glad when we drafted Chubb last year, right after I got over the disappointment of the Pats taking Sony Michel.
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The article posted all relevant numbers and they are undeniable.
Full season and like Baker starting as the first string guy from the start of camp. He will only improve.
Honestly, trying to be as objective as possible:
I don't know how defenses will handle this team?
There is no place on the field that the Browns can not attack. No place looking at a defensive package that we can not create a mismatch.
Right guard does not concern me as much as the tackles and the depth at the tackle position.
My guess is there will be an addition there at some point before the season opens. Unless someone steps up and shows something.
But even as it stands today this offense is bringing a load.
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There were a few times that Chubb and Duke Johnson were on the field together last year. I think having Chubb and Hunt on the field together will be more of a gimmick than a regular occurrence. We actually ran an entire series with 3 RBs, Chubb, Duke and Hilliard. I loved the look and it wasn't just a one play and done thing.
I also love the fact that we now have the 1st (Chubb) and 3rd (hunt) ranked elusive backs in the NFL. (statistically) And that is with Duke also (for now at least) on the team and a rep for being rather elusive himself...lol
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j/c http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...ns-top-the-listInteresting article that sort of fits here. Quarterback: Baker Mayfield -- Rank: 9th (One game: 10th | 2019 prod.: 7th) Running back: Nick Chubb -- Rank: 10th Pass catcher: Odell Beckham Jr. -- Rank: 4th
I know some folks will scoff at Mayfield's top-10 ranking (or the Browns at No. 3), but the former Heisman Trophy winner was that impressive as a rookie. Add in Odell Beckham Jr. (we'll get to him in a bit), a full dose of Nick Chubb and another year in the same offensive system, and I don't think it's hyperbole to expect fireworks every time Mayfield lines up under center. I initially had Chubb in the mid-teens, and then at the behest of NFL.com editor and noted Browns fan Tom Blair, I re-watched some tape from last year and dove a bit deeper into the data. I'm not sure how Kareem Hunt will work into the rotation when he returns from his eight-game suspension, or how long Duke Johnson will remain with the team, but Chubb proved as a rookie he's a game-changing back. He finished Year 1 ranked fourth among RBs in yards after contact (858) and ninth in runs over 10 yards despite finishing 21st in snaps (198), according to PFF. As for Beckham, the table is set for a career-defining season. He has a strong-armed and accurate quarterback throwing him the ball, skilled pass-catchers lining up all around him (including his close friend, Jarvis Landry) and his college position coach serving in the same role in Cleveland. We should expect the best from the 26-year-old generational talent. If not now, when?
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