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Maybe we should have put Appalachian State on the schedule so Quinn could get his first start against them....  I don't think Quinn's first appearance should be a start, it should be in relief... at home. He should get to hear that roar when he takes the field to start the second half and it will be against a defense which hasn't game planned to go after the rookie..... give him a full half to see the field in an NFL game, then give him a full week to process what he saw.... JMHO... And why not, give him the second half against the Ravens or the Patriots. Then whether it's good bad or ugly he can walk off the field knowing it doesn't get any more difficult than that.
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King is right.. in fact if you look around, most of the scribes are saying something similar.. Same with the local guys like Pluto.
There are so many Knee Jerk reactions out there,,, its amazing.
If you tied them all up in to one big bundle and believed them to be true, you would have to fire virtually every player, coach and Management person associated with the Browns... it's the definition of STUPID......
I actually had one guy write that I knew nothing about football because I wouldn't subscribe to his STUPID notion that all the Problems stem from Frye.. and because I thought it was a TEAM loss.. Can you imagine that... I don't know anything about football, but he thinks it was ONE guy that caused the loss.....It would almost be worth getting kicked off this board for 60 days just for calling him what I think he is....ALMOST!
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just because the Rams will score points, and that's puts alot of pressure on a rookie QB trying to keep up with a high-powered offense.
actually that describes about 1/2 the games BQ played in at ND over the last two years .. thats actually his comfort zone ... playing with the lead will be "different" for him .. *L* ..
FYI TO EVERYONE .. ... alot of folks are gonna be real dissapointed when BQ finally does get the nod .. hes not going toturn this team around all by himself no one could ... I am just starting to get the feeling some of U are gonna expect US to win when he starts playing .. and that just isnt going to happen ..
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FYI TO EVERYONE .. ... alot of folks are gonna be real dissapointed when BQ finally does get the nod .. hes not going toturn this team around all by himself no one could ... I am just starting to get the feeling some of U are gonna expect US to win when he starts playing .. and that just isnt going to happen ..
This guy just wants to see improvement.. Brady's ups will be more frequent than his "mentors" and I can take his downs knowing that is the exception rather than the norm...
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Here's something that makes me want to see Brady play immediately. If and only if he is truly caught up on the offense.
If Alex Smith can start from day 1 and be fine...why cant Brady Quinn. If Vince Young (who has a reputation for being not the smartest guy) can start after a mere 4 games. If Eli Manning can start after a mere 3-4 games, and same going for Matt Leinart.
Why cant Brady Quinn start right away? This kid played in a pro-style system under the tutelage of Charlie Weis. I mean, sure he'll take his lumps. But if these rookies can come out and play the way they have in their short time in the league. Why not Brady?
If he knows the offense, turn him loose.
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And EACH and every one of those mentioned QB's had worse O-Lines than us...
All the same though, I think that fans around here are afraid of "he who's name not be mentioned" V2.0
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So who do you think SHOULD start?
Anderson. We moved the ball with him, we got rid of the ball quickly. And yes, he will have mistakes. But it's better than Frye's garbage.
I really don't want to see Quinn vs. the Rams either, just because the Rams will score points, and that's puts alot of pressure on a rookie QB trying to keep up with a high-powered offense.
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Ryan Pointbrand.
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I am just starting to get the feeling some of U are gonna expect US to win when he starts playing .. and that just isnt going to happen .. So then, just exactly why would I want him to play? For the nice, warm feeling.......... 
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so all of you not wanting to put Quinn in, what should the other 80% of us do? root for anderson to win just enough games to keep Quinn on the bench all year? oh let me guess we should root for a jv football performance out of our team so we can get embarrased and bashed for 17 weeks? hmmm? wake me up when we get to the bye if thats what it takes to get quinn in! i was so freakin disgusted with the performance of the this team another year the same old story!!!
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Here's something that makes me want to see Brady play immediately. If and only if he is truly caught up on the offense.
If Alex Smith can start from day 1 and be fine...why cant Brady Quinn. If Vince Young (who has a reputation for being not the smartest guy) can start after a mere 4 games. If Eli Manning can start after a mere 3-4 games, and same going for Matt Leinart.
Why cant Brady Quinn start right away? This kid played in a pro-style system under the tutelage of Charlie Weis. I mean, sure he'll take his lumps. But if these rookies can come out and play the way they have in their short time in the league. Why not Brady?
If he knows the offense, turn him loose.
You have a point there. You say what the hell...what can it hurt? I think were just paranoid of what happened to Couch and were being extra cautious.
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How about be a fan of the team and support them? That would be a novel idea. 
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support them in what??? making the wrong decsion? playing a qb that would of been cut of 31 other rosters? playing mind games with the rest of our team week to week by playing the qb carousel??
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OK, first get a clue about the game and THEN support the team. Your drivel is full of ignorance and pretty sad. Come back to the board when you know anythihng about the game. Until then, stick with the official board where this type of crap is expected.
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alot of folks are gonna be real dissapointed when BQ finally does get the nod .. hes not going toturn this team around all by himself no one could ... I am just starting to get the feeling some of U are gonna expect US to win when he starts playing .. and that just isnt going to happen ..
Come on Diam, you know as well as I do that once Brady gets in the Browns fans will be chanting CHARLIE, CHARLIE, CHARLIE when BQ has a bad game 
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Charlie might not even be on the team.
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Thanks for posting the reference.
Someone has to say it - this guy should stick to talking about coffee...
For every reference to Couch or Carr, I can refer to Troy Aikman, who suffered a truly embarrassing rookie season. Can you imagine? He had to face Belichick's Giants (once), Gibbs' Redskins (twice) and Buddy Ryan's Eagles (twice). Maybe you remember that Eagles defense with Clyde Simmons and Reggie White? He didn't turn out too bad...
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"OK, first get a clue about the game and THEN support the team. Your drivel is full of ignorance and pretty sad. Come back to the board when you know anythihng about the game. Until then, stick with the official board where this type of crap is expected. "
why cuz you do? so if you have any kind of football knowledge how can you say that DA or CF give us a better chance to win than BQ? if you every played an ounce of sports in your life or coached you would know we need leadership on both sides of the ball, we need that to come from the QB position. do you watch the nfl? do you realize ALL the playoff material teams have strong leadership at QB? get back to me when you get some knowledge of what it takes good teams to win in this league and dont get hostile and pissy cuz you dont agree with what i said.
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Your ignorance is astounding. You might learn a little more about the game when you reach high school, but I doubt it. When you go off spewing ignorance like the QBs couldn't have a roster spot on any NFL team, you lose ANY credibility and prove you are just a ranting fan full of ignorance.
How do you know about the leadership abilities of ANY of the QBs? When have you been in the locker room or on the field? When have you talked to anyone in the organization? Oh, that's right, you haven't.
Like I said, when you get the FIRST CLUE about the game, come back and post. Until then, take your ignorance to the official board. There are plenty of clueless "fans" over there for you to spew your nonsense to.
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why dont you stop trying to bash me and anser the question?
your saying DA and CF give us a better chance to win then BQ?
yes or no?
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Maybe we should have put Appalachian State on the schedule so Quinn could get his first start against them....
Hey now, no one gave us much of a chance against Michigan either .
As for the QB debate:
I was/am fully on the Charlie Frye Wagon....but man......yesterdays game makes it hard not to want Brady to play.
I for one do not think our line was as bad as some are making it out to be, sorry CoachB, I think more than one or two of Charlie's sacks can be placed squarely on his shoulders.
My head keeps telling me that we just HAVE to keep Brady out until the bye week......but my emeotions and my heart want to see us at least be respectable, and Sundays game was anything but.......and while it was a TEAM effort, our QB's played one of the star roles.
Of all the ideas I have seen on here so far, I think (?) it was DC that might have had the best one yet, start Chalrie or Derrick than bring Brady in to start the second half.....hell, he has got to start sometime, and I am also getting tired of the excuses.
Again guys, I am problably way off base here, and I NEVER thought I would be calling for Brady this early in the season (I am still not sure I am  ), but sundays QB play absolutley disgusted me.
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Go ahead fire away and torch me if you want.
Torch you for what? Making sense?
i'm in agreement too...WAIT! let charlie or derek face the tough defenses, we're not making the playoffs, so wait, let this team play together
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Instead of having this Frye start this week, Anderson start next week, lets flip a coin the week after that; why don't we have a coach that will commit to Frye or Anderson and give Quin more reps in the 4th the closer he gets in shape to start. the thing I hate is Romeo's indecisiveness. He's a sweet man, but sweet doesn't win in football; unrelentless and unwavering do. Maybe he should try coaching my daughter's cheerleading squad.
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I agree with this 100%. I don't want to see this kid ruined like Couch/Carr....
I'm not sure I want to start quinn... but this situation IMO is very different than Couch/Carr... this isn't an expansion team (supposedly )
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I agree with this 100%. I don't want to see this kid ruined like Couch/Carr....
I'm not sure I want to start quinn... but this situation IMO is very different than Couch/Carr... this isn't an expansion team (supposedly )
They have yet to convince me that they arent, especially after yesterday. Mostly I just want to give this O line a chance to gel for a few games before putting Quinn in there. Maybe then we can give him a little better protection while he learns and keep him in one piece.
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i agree, we need to stick with one person (not quinn yet), and i think charlie probably played himself out of that this w/e. there were a lot of things done wrong with this whole stupid qb thing and they're not that good to begin with. it really hurt this team. it also hurts the team when the fans start chanting for brady (even i was one in the 4th quarter, bc i was sick of the losing and the garbage play but i realize it was wrong) it's monday still, there'll be a lot of knee-jerks and rants. a lot of thought fueled by emotion, probably same is true for the players. hopefully rac can talk to his players and we'll see how they play this coming week. start anderson till the bye, sign dorsey and help him teach quinn the O . as for frye ???...
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I was at the game and thought Frye looked bad. He ran into a sack for sure, he also didnt look off recievers very much. I was all for pulling him because by that time he just looked like he knew he was done. When that happens its time to get him out of there so he doesnt get himself or someone else killed.
The Defense was keeping them in that game and with any production from the offense we could have perhaps crawled back into the game.
Hard to believe that at the half we both had the same amount of first downs and actually lead the TOP which until I saw the stats I would have never believed watching how poorly we played.
I personally believe Fryes done as a starter now, and DA is going to start Sunday. The Browns have to regroup and act like a team quickly or it wont matter whos the starting QB.
Im willing to shrug this last game off but like alot of people soon or later some of the heat will start to land on the coaches head for not having these guys ready to play in a game like this. Even with mistakes and giving the other guys a quick early lead that is not the time to panic and RAC says we are not a good enough team to overcome that? I disagree and felt we actually were not a good enough coached team to make up the points.
If the coaches dont believe you can overcome how the heck can the players feel they can overcome it?
If I see another quote like that from RAC I will start to really fall into the time for him to go camp and I was not in that camp at any time before.
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So, which should that QB do? Last year, the fans were screaming for him to stay in the pocket and stop taking off. This year, it's that he needs to not stand there. I'm not sure how you can blame ANY QB for some of those sacks. Who could have stood there while being knocked down by a 300 lb tackle that was thrown into him? Who could have stopped the corner blitz when Thomas took the outside guy and the inside blitzer came in untouched? How do you get rid of the ball when the receivers are covered other than throwing the ball into coverage? Frye played poorly, but it's not like anyone else was blameless.
Oh, and before the "throw the ball away" mantra starts, intentional grounding has the same result as a sack.
You make some good points. But, lack of blitz recognition, not stepping up and being confused seem like contributing points also. Frye looked both unsure and unaware most of the time he played. He did have a pocket at times and didn't use it well. Agree Shaffer, Thomas didn't help on two plays but that doesn't account for all of Frye's troubles.
IMO, he doesn't anticipate what he's supposed to do and what he can do if that doesn't work out. He never gets to his 3rd option, never seems to look to where the blitz isn't to find a receiver. It's too bad we can't see the entire overview with the lousy TV coverage, both active and lack of replays.
The one thing Quinn has showed me, albeit using vanilla and quick plays, is that he seems to know how to deliver a quick pass, quickly change his target and take care of the ball. I believe most of that comes from his conceptualizing the plays before they start - something neither Frye, particularly, and DA don't do much.
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I see the point about getting the OL to gel. But heres one thing I thought about mid game. Sure DA got hit a few times, but what QB doesnt. Look at Carson tonight, he got slapped around too.
Just because a QB gets hit every once in a while doesnt mean his career is over.
Just because Carr and Courch flopped doesnt mean Brady will. For EVERY Carr there is an Alex Smith. For every Couch there is an Eli Manning. For every Phillip Rivers there is a Peyton Manning. For every Carson Palmer there is a Vince young. For every Charlie Frye there is a Matt Leinart.
I mean these kids all started earlier than we thought and flopped or waited a full year and are doing ok, but all the others started early and are well on their way to amazing careers.
It has very little to do with WHEN they start, but when they are ready. If Brady Quinn knows the offense, he should start, hes the best QB on the block. I mean...do you think Alex Smiths year where he threw 0 TDs and 16 INTs ruined his career? No...Look at him now. 1-0 and played a relatively bad game, but came through in the clutch when he needed too. Eli threw 4 TDs. Vince got a W. Leinart had his team in position to win.
Just cuz Couch flopped, means nothing to Quinn. This kid is a step up on the rest of the QBs because he's been with a great QB coach. Brady will be fine as a starter as soon as he knows the offense.
This kid Quinn is nothing like Carr or Couch. Good QBs will be good no matter what. The best QBs know how to improve themselves and their team and be good leaders. Thats what manning did, thats what VY does, and thats what Alex Smith seems to be doing.
This kid took a bad ND team and made them respectable. He had such small amounts of talent there, that to make them the team he did, was unbelieveable. Ive always thought that...I'll admit during the draft I didnt want him because I felt we had greater needs...ie OL but when we got Thomas, i thought that Quinn would be a fine addition, I just didnt think it was possible. I think Brady is exactly what we need. AS LONG AS HE KNOWS THE OFFENSE. He will make us better. Bring on Brady...IF NOT...Ken Dorsey...dude is smarter than who we have now
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I would like to see Quinn..This sunday IF he "knows the playbook"..that is the only way..
if Quinn isn't comfortable with the playbook yet, then we just gonna have to swallow another one...but don't get me wrong, the future is now..when RAC yanked Frye, the Brady Quinn era began....when he offically steps on to the field who knows...but if you like it or not...it has begun
and for all of you folks saying its "stupid" and a "knee-jerk" reaction to call for Quinn
Ron Jaworski(Jaws) on of the best Offensive minds ever, one of the best ever at breaking down film, a man with much respect in the NFL for a very long time said and i quote" IT IS ABSOLUTLY ABSURD BRADY QUINN IS NOT STARTING RIGHT NOW! THIS KID IS ONE OF THE RARE QBS WHO CAN COME OUT RIGHT AWAY AND START AND HAVE SUCESS AND HE SHOULD BE IN THERE, NOW!" I have never heard Jaws ever say that about any other QB
Quit worrying about Quinn's psyche...he is a tough kid, he got pummeled at ND on quite an occasion...he turned out fine...our OL, WR, RB is much better here than Couch ever had...
Im not saying to Put Brady in if he don't know the playbook, but "if" Quinn knows as much as belive he does(he probably had the playbook since rookie camps) then i think he knows alot more than RAC and others are letting on, and i also think RAc and Savage are just being paraniod
Charlie Weis said he would be ready to start day 1...i will trust Weis...Bellichik did with Tom Brady and look how that turned out
If Quinn knows the playbook, then for the love of God get the kid out there
if he doesn;t
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I agree...and the players are different.
We have the talent to win some games...double digit possibly.
What we lack is leadership...
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If Weis is a guy you follow.....he just jerked his qb after 1 whole game in favor of a rookie, so this isn't something new.
Chuck is done in Cleveland and I think everybody knows it even if they don't want to say so.
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How long has BQ been here now? They installed the new O in the first 11 days of TC,....BQ should have a pretty good understanding of it by now,...to think that he is out there all alone to pick up the plays when the opportunity presents itself is absurd.
All this kid needs is reps with the first unit to get his timing down.
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Yep,..and understandably so.....CF has had more time to prove himself than most if not all the other teams would allow.
He's seemed to have lost all of his natural instincts that made him successful in college.The team is trying to get him to stay in the pocket and that's just not his style.
If CF was going to be "our guy" they need to build the team around HIS strengths,....not the other way around,....it's just a recipe for failure.
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i agree Ballpenn....Frye is finished
he played himself out of Cleveland....this is his own doing
i counted 4 times Frye had 6 + seconds in the pocket and Frye just held the ball, happy feet, and sacked....i only blame the OL for 2 sacks...the rest were all on Frye....if there is nothing there just throw the freaking ball away ya know...you would think chuck would have learned this by now
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