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I have only been there once. Not a big fry eater.

I usually end up getting some Rosie's and Rocco's meatballs. B spot once or twice a year.

There isn't even any contact in OTAs. However, 1 writer is sure that a different player getting some 1st team reps at RG means that Corbett is a sure fire bust.

Unless you have someone better, and nobody wants to admit it may be he's not good.

You also don't give a guy a starting spot, only based on where he was drafed, especially if he's had a year to show his abilities.

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Gc.

The Concern I still have, I see an update on the Cardinals, they went 3-13 worst record in the league, (surprised to realize it wasn't the Browns)
Then they say, key departures Head Coach Wilks,..

The Browns are putting their Defense in the hands of the guy who took the Cardinals to 3-13...
The Browns Head Coach is an offensive backgrounded guy, mainly because of what he can do with the quarterback...

The media and Vegas are speculating the Browns are going to be a top 10 team in the entire league,

And if everything goes wrong and the wheels fall off, the finger pointing and blame assigning are going to be EPIC!

What happens if this team fails to go 8-8 even, or if that's where they end up also?
If they go 8-8, everyone's going to act like they went 3-13.

And what happened to Gregg Williams,

And what happened to getting a decent field goal kicker in the offseason, if they go 60% on kicks this year, that might cost them 3 wins again.

And if I'm a team that is playing against the Browns,
I'm going to run outside and use my tight ends on offense,
and since they have a dozen receivers I can't stop, my only choice is to rush two blitzers over center right in the Qb's face from the first snap.


A bunch of concerns, #1 of which might be overblown expectations.

I think it's going to be real hard to make the playoffs in the AFC this year, look at these teams, I think each of them, from their perspective, thinks they are going to make the playoffs and are just as suited on paper to have high expectations.

Raiders, (no, but they're getting there)

Patriots,
Chargers,
Chiefs,
Texans,
Colts,
Jaguars,
Steelers, and
Ravens,

Everybodys got "A" quarterback, everybodys got continuity, and all of them have a recent trip to the playoffs in the last 2 years,

only 6 teams make the playoffs in the AFC, it doesn't matter what hype the Browns get, it's not going to be easy.

I hear all of that, and I still LOVE our chances of ruling the roost for a change.

I feel that barring injuries we have very capable O-line talent. It may not be top 10 at this point but we can be good. The x- factor is we have a top O-line coach in Campen. He is highly regarded and probably makes the guys we have better with his coaching much like Dante Scarnechia does in N.E. He retired and had to come back because halfway into the season their O-line was in a shambles. When he returned they played like all pros.

I only have one concern:

Freddie Kitchens calling plays

going right back to Hue Jackson type of nonsense.

Kitchens needs to focus on being a Head Coach and ONLY at HC, not calling plays too.

Todd Monken has 3 years of experience calling plays in the NFL (2016, 2017, and 2018) with Tampa Bay. He was also a Head Coach at Southern Miss, and a Offensive Coordinator at Oklahoma state.

Todd Monken has more experience calling plays than Kitchens does, and is more qualified to be calling plays at this point then Kitchens.

Kitchens is already becoming a problem. Guys that won't delegate to the people they hire end up becoming problems much sooner than later. Even Bellichik delegates. Sure, Bellichik has his hands in all the pies, but he lets his coordinators call the offense and defense on game day and only intercedes when needed.

Kitchens needs to let Monken call the plays and maybe over ruled every once in awhile as needed.

Kitchens being the playcaller and head coach means other areas of the team and weekly game plans like D, Special Teams, etc will suffer because they won't be getting the attention they need to be getting.

Being a Head Coach means you have a macro level control over the entire team and game plan, you can not do that when your calling plays.

The ONLY reason McVay can get away with that in St Louis is because of Wade Phillips is pretty much the 2nd best Defensive Coordinator in the modern NFL(Only behind Bellichik) and Phillips might as well be a head coach himself.

We don't have that here. The fact this is Kitchens 1st ever NFL head coaching gig, and he won't let the more experienced guy he hired call the plays tells me were in for a ride...this is going to be a problem much sooner than later...

Good summary of the line situation. This is probably my biggest concern-- trading away Zeitler, the possibility that Corbett can't replace him and/or injuries elsewhere on the line. There's definitely some volatility there.

Interior line play is easy to overlook but it makes a big difference. Pressure up the middle is extremely disruptive, especially with a shorter QB. It's much easier to find throwing lanes with a clean pocket.

i think the dream would be Harrison has but on some weight and strength and will supplant robinson in TC. Robinson is bad, like really bad. Alot was masked by baker and Freddie's playcalling.

j/c:

I think Todd Monken coming on staff is one of the more overlooked acquisitions this offseason.

I imagine Dorsey was looking to add a tackle at some point. Yet we saw Trent Brown get 4 yrs/$66m in free agency (ridiculous), first rounder went to OBJ, second rounder to Greedy. The situation just didn't present itself, so we gamble a bit with Robinson/Harrison and reevaluate when needed.

Good point. We've gone over what the new defense might look like under Wilks but haven't really seen much scheme-wise on the offensive side of the ball.

There's a video here: https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2019/5/26/...and-pick-routes

J/c

Newest concern: will I be able to keep my OBJ hype in check with so much time still to go before real games.

We should be calling him Vice Grips.

Man, the last few posts are like GEESHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....

Talk about gloom and doom....

Freddie is Ready.

Calm down!

True. Sometimes you even see a team go to 7 active OLine on gamedays, which to me is kind of crazy. Gameday rosters are tight but I'd take my chances with one too few tight end or safety or whatever.

Even with 8 though, you need guys who can backup multiple positions. Sometimes a starter may have to slide over somewhere too, especially if the center goes down. You have to have guys who can make the line calls and snap the ball consistently in shotgun.

So, you're saying Corbett hasn't busted yet?

I am not taking away what Kitchen did last year BUT he did not have the duties of HC at that time either. Willaims pretty much did everything else associated with the team, thus Freddie was able to soley focus on Offense and game plan.

He won't have that now. As a Head Coach there is far more then just game planning. There is a reason so many coordinators fail as head coaches, and Freddie is already going down the path that has the greatest chance of failure.

As much as I was not a Jackson fan, he did have a considerable background of expereince calling plays in the NFL(far more then 6 or 7 games Kitchens has) and even Jackson struggled and the team struggled because of it.

If we all want Kitchens to succeed as HC here, than he shouldn't be calling plays. At least not right now.



Freddie needs to be focused on the macro aspects of the team and managing the team as whole on game day. He is not ready to do all of that and call plays. He cna still have significant input on the game plan, and even over rule Monken when needed, but him calling plays at this juncture is a mistake. I think its too much for a young guy who has only been a play caller for 7 games before becoming a head coach.

Maybe 3 years down the road, once he has proven himself as successful coach and then he wants to call plays? sure...

We always do this kinda stuff. i'll never understand why we can't just set up a simple traditional system like the Patriots, the Rooney's, and such use and then just follow it...I mean this isn't rocket science.

I have no idea how anyone could know this... There is no textbook on how to be a HC. It works differently for everyone. Some can handle it and some can't. I would say each head coach in the NFL is different.

I don't have a problem with how we are doing things. We haven't seen the body of work. If I wanted to be just like the Patriots or the Steelers I would just go root for one of them.

I don't either but Freddie, being a rookie HC, certainly has a lot on his plate...

As far as Freddie calling plays goes, he did have a knack for that last year. As you mentioned, different structures can work. I believe Reid and Payton call their own plays, as do a few others. I think Belichick is going to go back to calling plays on defense now that Flores is in Miami. Those guys have much more experience so it's not a direct comparison... guess we'll find out how well this works. I think Freddie can handle it.

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Another concern is the ticket situation. I like real tickets in my hand, not some BS on my phone.

As I understand it, all tickets will be E-mailed to us and we have to pull them up on the phone. I like my tickets in my ticket holder hanging around my neck.

I have zero concerns with this team in terms of talent or coaching ability. None.

My only real concerns are in wondering how soon we'll be together as a team - will we be able to start hot and maintain it? And how will we handle adversity? If we hit a stretch of bad luck, how will the leaders of this team get the team to respond?


Beyond that, I'm All In on this team.

as long as our OL holds up, we will score a lot of points. Too many weapons, & Bake will find them. Often.

I truly believe we can win the Super Bowl next season.

Have u decided what your wearing to the PARADISE ISLAND Super Bowl kegger yet ... i’m still having trouble deciding ... at Freddie “who is ready” request it will be brown and orange but other than that there’s just so many choices ...

Let me know you’re thoughts please ...

I completely disagree. Monken is an "air-raid" guy. Do you really want Baker throwing the ball 50+ times every game? Getting beat up, taking all of those hits? What worked last year is we started keeping guys in on pass protect, we ran the ball and that opened up the play-action. Hell, we ran a reverse wishbone. lol We had a really good balance of run/pass and with our backfield this year we should be really effective running the ball. The only reason Kitchens was hired was his play calling last year. That got him the job. I hope he calls it much like he did last year. I want to see Nick Chubb early and often. Teams can't afford to put 8 in the box on us now. With the weapons we have, they just can't. Nick Chubb can have a stellar season this year.

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Many offensive minded coaches prefer to cal their own plays. They have a coordinator who can help design and install the offense, but the head coach calls the plays.