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I don't care much for religion myself.

Which is why I’ve always said I don’t have a problem with people who believe in god. I have a problem with the system and those who run it.

The system got people all kinds of jacked up.

I agree. But I'm not one that's going to judge someone for their religious views.

Well, okay, I have a hard time with Catholics.

If god is all-powerful and all that is good, then how does evil exist?

either he isn't all powerful, or he isn't completely good...

If god can do anything, and nothing falls short of his power?

then can god create a rock so heavy that he himself cannot lift it?

Interesting questions posed by men....

Regardless, I consider myself a Christian....

Then we need to have a discussion on what ‘perfection’ means.

A god has to be perfect and all powerful. But what does that actually mean?

This may have been touched on already, but God has already come to earth.

He came as Jesus Christ, the Son of God and died for our sins so we might have eternal life. He took our place at the cross.

It is your job to believe that He did or He didn't. That is where faith is required.

Faith is everything.

Amen brother

you have to have faith in something......even our so-called reality is a question of faith....

Whether you like it or not, everything around us can only be perceived through the 5 senses that we have and the brain that interprets the information gleaned through our senses...

Do we know what a tree is really like objectively....no... we receive visual stimuli, olfactory stimuli, and tactile stimuli that our brain use to construct our perception of said tree....Is this really what a tree is like.....you can't really know as we are limited to the perception that our brains produce....Outside of the world our brains construct, there is no way of knowing what the universe really is like...

We have faith in our senses without any way of proving that those senses correctly perceive reality....

Just saw your post.

No need to be this way with those that believe in God. I've been on here a long time and am openly Atheist. Just as you do not care when they try to push their beliefs on you, they don't care for unprovoked assaults on their beliefs. Just live your life your way and let them live theirs the way they choose. In the end we might all be wrong somehow and will need each other in some way.

But if the bible thumping knuckle draggers get in your face for being Atheist, then all bets are off.

God talks to me daily. You may not see or hear Him, but that isn't my problem. That is your problem.

Seek, and you will find the reward.

This convo was about what I expected from the very start.

On Voltaire's death bed a priest knelt beside him and asked Voltaire to renounce the devil. He replied, "This is no time to be making enemies."

So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

This took a turn I did not expect.

"RIP"

Only god I pray to is the porcelain god. And I make regular donations.

Fine.

Since, this thread isn’t dead yet.

I guess all you atheists are really, really smart and every one who follows a religious tenet is really, really stupid.



What is that, a bible?

At Neil Gorsuch's U.S. Supreme Court swearing in?

Why do they do that? Are they just pretending that the bible means some thing?



Of course they're not as smart as you.

Bush swore on the Bible too.

And then two wars happened.

Jesus Christ is not God you need a new bible.

Or you could just read yours. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE.

"Christians cannot possibly believe that the God who created this vast universe actually entered into His own creation as a carpenter’s son in an unremarkable corner of the Roman Empire nearly two thousand years ago, can they? Surely, Christians are only making a theological statement when they speak of the deity of Christ, right? They can’t possibly believe Jesus is actually the God-man, the Creator amid His own creation, right?

As amazing as it sounds, that is exactly what believing Christians claim. Moreover, we actually believe that is the only consistent way to read the writings of His disciples. In fact, Jesus’ own words, when read in the context of first-century Judaism, clearly indicate that He viewed Himself as having come down from heaven as the very Son of God. One such indication can be derived from the gospel generally regarded as the earliest, the gospel of Mark. When Jesus stood at His trial before the Jewish Sanhedrin, He was solemnly asked, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” His response was forthright: “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven” (Mark 14:61–62). Modern readers might miss the significance of Jesus’ words, but His hearers surely did not. They knew He was drawing from two well-known and significant passages from the Hebrew Scriptures, Psalm 110:1 and Daniel 7:13, the latter presenting a divine figure who has followers who worship Him. The response was quick: “The high priest tore his garments and said, ‘What further witnesses do we need? You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?’ And they all condemned him as deserving death” (Mark 14:63–64). Those who heard His words knew what they meant."

Blah, blah, blah, blah, BLAH.

Making false claims is what got him killed.

How could a very minor rabbi, from a conquered country, and from its smallest family, and raised in a disrespected area of the country, and who dies as the enemy of 2 states, become everything Jesus Christ did?

Jesus is named in historical records outside of the Bible. The names of the 2 thieves who died with him are not known. The names of most people dying on crosses, in public and humiliating torturous deaths are not known. Why is one minor rabbi recorded.

Before 1961 (IIRC) the name "Pilate" (who the Bible says is the one who sent Jesus to die) was not accepted as being anyone in power during the time when Jesus lived. Some considered him to have been invented. Then historians found a limestone nameplate for Pilate. There were no records of Pilate, a governor, but there are records of Jesus.

These are relatively minor ideas.

The Apostles are not portrayed as brilliant and courageous men in the Bible. They are portrayed as dense during Jesus ministry, missing the obvious meanings of Jesus's words. Jesus had to teach them over and over again. They became flat out cowards when Jesus was taken to be executed. Even after Jesus had appeared to them, after His resurrection, they were still hiding in a locked room. However, after God sent His Holy Spirit to the Disciples, they became bold evangelists. Saul was a Pharisee, who was on a hunt to capture, and maybe even put to death, the Apostles of Christ. He was struck down and blinded on his trek. He turned from being a hate filled enemy of Christ, who he saw as being a blasphemy, to being the greatest evangelist for Christ. He spread the message of Jesus Christ to the (then) known world. The Apostles did the same throughout Israel and Judea. They all faced possible death sentences for going against the Jewish authorities, and their Roman overlords.

Side note: The Romans didn't care if Jesus was really God, or if he was a heretic. The only thing they cared about was not the Jewish territories were quiet and peaceful, or not. They didn't want anyone fomenting rebellion, in any form. They worked with the Jewish leadership to make sure that they would keep the area quiet. The Jewish leaders did so in order to keep their prestige and positions in their society. Truth was secondary to these concerns. It's sad how little society has changed since then.

Now, as to the biggest reason that I, personally, believe. I spent decades on the periphery of Christian faith. I kind of believed. I know a little of the Bible. However, I had no personal relationship with God. I thought I was a Christian, but the life I lived certainly didn't demonstrate my faith.

Then my back went bad. Eventually my doctor put me on a pain medicine. He put me on a Fentanyl patch. I went insane. I almost threw myself out my 2nd story window. I was frantic and desperate. I started yelling at God, really irrationally, asking why He would do this to me, and asking what I had ever done to Him. All of a sudden, I felt this voice saying "Be calm, my son". Yes, I didn't so much hear it as feel it. I was immediately perfectly calm. I took the patch off, and called my doctor. They had no idea that Fentanyl could do that. I went to the ER. They had no idea either.

Anyway, that was the start to my true journey of faith. I have no question whatsoever that God is God. I have no question that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, who came to redeem and save us from our sins. I have no doubt that Jesus came and died as a substitutionary sacrifice for my sins, taking my place to pay the price I could not.

Of this, I have no doubt. Through intense and often excruciating pain and disability, I have no doubt. The more I read the Bible, the more I see the complete way things interweave, and show God's love for us. Sin is God's enemy. However, He gives us free will. We can choose God and salvation, or we can choose sin, and death. He does not force us.

So, each of us has the right to choose our own path, and our own destiny. God loves us. He woos us. He pleads with us to come to Him. However, many people chose to close their ears, hearts, and minds to God. That is their right. It is your right.

From my perspective, it is also incredibly sad.

That wasn’t god who told you that. That was the nurse trying to tell your ass to sit down before she called security to come in and taser you.

Sound like you were about to start eating people’s faces off.

Mark 4

The Parable of the Sower

1Again Jesus began to teach by the lake. The crowd that gathered around him was so large that he got into a boat and sat in it out on the lake, while all the people were along the shore at the water’s edge. 2He taught them many things by parables, and in his teaching said: 3“Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants, so that they did not bear grain. 8Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, some multiplying thirty, some sixty, some a hundred times.”

9Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”

10When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,

“ ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,

and ever hearing but never understanding;

otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!’ a ”

13Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14The farmer sows the word. 15Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—some thirty, some sixty, some a hundred times what was sown.”

You are seeing, and hearing. Now try perceiving bro

SMH why do you hate Christians. That's an honest question bro. I know you say you don't but you sure act and post like it.

I believe Jesus Christ is a man that died by his own lies.

And I believe that Jesus Christ is a man that died because those around him and in power didn't want to hear the truth.

I was at home, alone, at the time. My only company was my dog. Maybe he learned English?

Thats fine bro. You have every right to believe that just like I have every right to believe otherwise. I did jump all over you for your post (I shouldn't have that was wrong of me) But have you ever seen me start a thread telling YOU just how wrong you are? The answer would be no because I have enough respect for others to not bash them or to put them down about their beliefs by starting a threat to do so.

Thanks GM were cool. I won't put them down either but I'll discuss it with them.

I don’t hate anybody. That’s like asking why I hate my grandmother and mother, both Christian women.

I tell them the same thing I tell you. Love you guys, but the religion sucks. Same thing I told my family about Islam. The religion can kiss my ass.

You and YTown are cool though overall. Just like Pit and DC and rocket and etc.

But it doesn’t change the fact you believe in a dude who’s mom made up a story about getting preggo without sex.

The universe is billions upon billions of years old, and expanding. The earth is billions of years old. There’s been thousands of religions, thousands of man created gods to worship.

But don’t worry, somehow, we’re the special snowflake species, and somehow, you’re religion is the right one.

Like I have told others. We can disagree all day long on some subjects, and agree all day long on others. I hope you don't take anything I say on here as personal as I would say the same things face to face as we sat at a bar. *giving you that hug I first posted about*

OK maybe I was wrong for saying HATE. If so I apologize. I am not real high on organized religion myself, but I am high on my relationship with Jesus, God, and the holy spirit.



You see it as made up. I see it as God's plan. That's cool we can agree to disagree.



Don't worry I never have said my religion is the right one (Please feel free to look up my posts from the last 20 years lol) I talk about my faith, not my religion.

We agree to disagree.

You think that's bad they believe she got knocked up by the invisible boogeyman The only woman to get pregnant without having sex. Which is impossible but people believe it.

Women get pregnant all the time without sex. It's called artificial insemination.

The only difference is that man uses scientific equipment. God uses His will.

I don't know why people think that man can easily do something that an Almighty God cannot.

Yeah with male semen they do.