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And the gov. has been a Republican for a long time in Ohio. And Ohio favored Trump in 2016. After helping elect Obama. It's obvious these states are swing states and Sherrod Brown is no indication of which way they will vote in a national election.

Sherrod and Obama were on the same ticket, but your point stands. My point is that Democrats have won Ohio by going to the left of the moderates. Moderate policies like Killary's, Kerry and Biden will not win Ohio from Republicans.

So do you really think Obama and Bill Clinton were that far left of moderate? I know the right made it sound that way but they do that with every candidate the Democrats run.

But both Bill Clinton and Obama weren't even close to being as liberal as some of the candidates that are now running for the nomination.

Well, they did both run on changing up healthcare. Moderate Democrats running on the status quo will not win in the Midwest.

And yeah, time moves forward and things change. The terms progressive and conservative change with time. But yeah, the Democrats got taken over by 3rd way Democrats in the late 70's and the Democratic party is coming close to recentering itself from the Clinton's and breaking away from the right. Unfortunately this is mainly because of the incoming crises that moderate thinking has brought us.

Actually things haven't changed that much in the few years since Obama left office. But some will only learn that lesson by Trump serving a second term I suppose.

More than a lot has changed since he has left, but even more changed since he got elected in his second term.

I don't really see how that changes the fact that Obama wasn't extremely liberal and won the states you need to win. Hillary's character had been attacked for years and ran a terrible campaign.

You can't sell the idea of "free everything" to middle America and expect to get elected. Working people know that nothing is free and that most of their ideas would never make it into law anyway. High in the sky dreams are not policy.

I never said he was extremely liberal, because he's not. He's just more liberal than Kerry, Clinton and Biden. Which really isn't hard. He also got more voters to the poll than any President since 68 looking at per capita. Obama is also black which helped voters turn out for him. I don't think that Democrats will be able to reproduce his results, especially with people like Hillary and Biden.

Also, you're literally always bragging that Tennessee, a republican state, promises 2 years of free college to Kentucky community colleges. That is a moderate resolution to a progressive idea.

As far as paying for it, look at Lizzy's plans. Or Bernie's. A far right think tank (Mercatus) ran the numbers and found that Bernie's M4A position would save US citizens 2 trillion dollars over 1 decade. The math lines up.

I do bring up Tennessee in reference to college because it is a moderate idea to a complex problem.

Bernie's healthcare plan would save taxpayers money. Yet along with it you're trying to tell Americans they have no choice in their healthcare plan. That they will be force fed what the government tells them they have. In no way, shape or form will that be an easy sell. But when you combine that with free college and all of his other liberal ideas, the math will no longer add up. That's kind of my point.

The, "I want it all and I want it now" politics doesn't add up as a whole. And Warren seems to claim that, "taxing anything over 50 million in income by 2% additional" is going to pay for everything she plans to do"?

There's a difference in having ideas and being able to pay for them all. There's a difference between being able to pay for them and getting voters to believe that.

What I always try to keep in mind is that complex plans and ideas when proposed in bulk, takes a lot of understanding and explanation that many voters simply won't grasp. I know that sounds terrible but we live in a society that is based largely on 30 second sound bites.

You simply can't sell them so many ideas and changes at the same time. You can't pay for all of these programs at the same time. A total change to the societal norms is impractical to the thinking of the average American.

You will have the other side singing socialism in their ear the entire time. And when trying to overhaul the entire system as it stands now, it will ring true to them.

I'm just admitting that I am not the sharpest knife in the crayon box

My sister has adopted two and my wife and I have been trying to adopt for almost a year... hard as hell... I get why it has to be a stringent process but I wish we could make the adoption process easier...

My humble opinion I think we need better access to brith control for women.... restrictions on abortion... I understand in cases of rape or things like the night after pill.... but mid to late term abortion should not be legal... and we need to improve the process of adoption...

I wish you well, jaybird.
Adoption was a divine blessing for me and My Sis.

I've read you at this address for years, and know how much you want this. I have no doubt that you would be the same kind of committed, dedicated parents who raised us to have happy, productive adult lives.

Pulling for you, Dawg.
I mean that from the heart.

My brother was adopted. I rarely even think about that fact. When I do, I smile, because of the fact that I don’t think about it.....he’s every bit mine and our’s than if he were born to our parents.

I would have loved to have adopted children when I was younger. But, you know, we can’t have those awful gay people giving loving and stable homes to our young people.

"Times are changing. Slowly, but they ARE changing," ...said one minority to another.

It's a shame.
You deserved the same full life My Parents got to have as they raised us. Some kid(s) in need deserved to have you for a parent.

Your bro is your bro.
My sis is adopted as was I... but we come from two entirely separate gene pools. And My Sis is My Sis. It's how love works, as you already know.


Love you, Jules.
Glad I found your post tonight.
It was a bright spot.

Thanks Clem.. emotional rolla coaster... wife and I have bene through all sorts of infertility issues which has lead to a pretty interesting testimony... I figure we'll add adoption to it at some point... know our child is out there somewhere... just excited to meet them....

Good luck dawg ... your day will come hopefully sooner than later ...

Please keep us informed .... i’d Love to know when the magical day finally arrives ...

In regards to your comments on abortion, you present a logical, common sense middle ground. That's something the two national political parties either lack the will to do or the desire to do.

Good luck in the adoption process. I know a few people that have been through it and it sounds like hell.

It's a shame that our society sees things that way. The two of you certainly have the love to give and it's a shame that a child deserving of it doesn't have the opportunity to receive it.

Thanks, Clem, you know I love you too. I can’t cheat on DC though, because he was my first board love.

The times are changing. Slowly, but surely.

J/C




If we found something squiggling around in another world, it would win a Nobel, but our children are throw aways.

Maybe, but our space force would kill it.

After they put it in a womans womb

I still don't think I have the right to tell any woman what to do with their own bodies.. I don't want to pay for it, but I don't believe I have that right.

Awww, I love you too Jules and miss having you around more regularly, though I fully understand. This is, however, an odd love triangle because... y'know.... well.... I love Clem too.

I'll book the room.

They ain't gonna do no Motel 6 though.

Federal Courts
Published 4 hours ago

Appeals court lifts injunctions on family planning rules, in win for Trump administration


By Bill Mears, Alex Pappas

Fox News



Trump administration blocks taxpayer-funded family planning clinics from providing abortion referrals

President Trump announces new rule that will take millions away from Planned Parenthood; reaction from former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Fox News contributor.

The Trump administration’s new family planning rules banning federally-funded family planning clinics from discussing abortion with patients can go into effect after a federal appeals court on Thursday lifted nationwide injunctions imposed by lower courts.

The new policy, announced last year, would withdraw federal Title X funding from any medical facility that provides abortions, as well as abortion counseling or abortion referrals.



The 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals -- which previously upheld separate nationwide injunctions on a range of Trump administration policies, including on immigration -- issued the order Thursday, giving a major victory to the Trump administration.

“We are pleased that the Ninth Circuit has cleared the way for this important executive branch action to take effect while our appeals are pending,” Justice Department spokeswoman Kelly Laco said. “The Department of Justice’s position is supported by long-standing Supreme Court precedent and we are confident we will ultimately prevail on appeal.”

Planned Parenthood was among the groups opposing the new rules. The policy has been derided as a "gag rule" by Planned Parenthood.

“This is a devastating blow to the 4 million patients who obtain birth control, cancer screenings, and other essential care through Title X,” the organization tweeted.

Democrats, including those running for president, also lashed out over the ruling.

“The Trump administration's Title X gag rule will deny access to basic reproductive health care for millions of people. I call that a violation of human rights,” New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, tweeted. “We will fight back.”

Planned Parenthood’s clinics are major recipients of grants for family planning and basic preventive care. During the 2016 election, President Trump campaigned on defunding the organization.



Known as Title X, the nation's family planning program serves about four million women a year through clinics, at a cost to taxpayers of about $260 million.

An administration official said the proposal is based on, though is not identical to, a Reagan-era rule.

The policy was rescinded under President Bill Clinton, and a new rule went into effect that allowed "nondirective" counseling to include a range of options for women

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/appeals...-administration

Congratulations in your win for mens quest to control women in every way. Take away their lawfully given rights, take away their funding for contraception, family planning, and professional counseling.

Good on you congrats ...pffft. Hope you’re not betting on a trump bump popularity, especially from women.

Trump abortion rule deals 'devastating blow' to Planned Parenthood, group says

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HHS Secretary Alex Azar on court's abortion clinic ruling.
The Trump administration stopped taxpayer dollars from going to abortion referrals at publicly funded family planning centers on Monday.

Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion provider, sued the administration, along with 20 states and the District of Columbia, in an attempt to stop Health and Human Services, or HHS, from diverting Title X family planning funding going to abortions. But the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, with two judges appointed by Trump, rejected the plea.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-abortion-tax-dollar-planned-parenthood

The tide turns.

And it will move up the chain to another court.

You think they will appeal it to the Supreme Court?

I dare them to.

I'm sure they're quivering because of your dare.

Why not post the whole article? Because the next paragraph shows the harm your idiots are doing...

"“This is a devastating blow to the 4 million patients who obtain birth control, cancer screenings, and other essential care through Title X,” the organization tweeted."

Do you think the GOPer SCOTUS Judges are going to overturn Roe v. Wade? Talk about political suicide! lmao.

Do any of you realize that half the country is female? smh
And yes, the religious right females might support this now, but wait until their daughters are dying in back alleys and see how much support they'll give you. All they've done today is strike a blow to poor women who rely on PP for these female medical services. You want to test this for real, ask you boy to ban DNCs for current and retired military at VA's and base hospitals. That will shut this crap down now.

Apparently you believe all women support abortion.

Not at all, but being all holier than thou goes out the window when it hits home. I know that for a fact.

And I never knew a preacher's daughter that didn't have a little wild streak and a mind of her own. My first wife was one.

So now you believe women who are against abortion are acting Holier than Thou.

I am beginning to see a pattern with you.

Twist and spin. You know exactly what I said.

40: So, you find reason to celebrate denying poor females basic female healthcare and get your jollies controlling women's bodies. I see who you are...

2 can play that game.

You get your jollies killing babies!!!