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Is Quinn in? Browns mull QB changes following Week 1 debacle

Associated Press

BEREA, Ohio -- For one of the rare times in his football life, Brady Quinn was a game-day spectator. Instead of a helmet, he wore a brown-and-orange baseball cap. He carried a clipboard.

Quinn stood on the sideline and watched, maybe for one of the last times.

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Brady Quinn stood on the sidelines as the two QBs ahead of him on the Browns' depth chart went a combined 17-for-38 for 218 yards, one TD and two INTs.

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Tagged since April's draft as Cleveland's quarterback of the future, Quinn could soon become the Browns' man of the moment.

In the aftermath of a 34-7 drubbing against Pittsburgh in Sunday's season opener, Cleveland coach Romeo Crennel didn't rule out Quinn making his NFL debut this week against Cincinnati.

Quinn served as Cleveland's emergency quarterback on Sunday, but after both starter Charlie Frye and backup Derek Anderson failed miserably against the Steelers, the Browns may soon turn to their high-profile rookie from Notre Dame.

Is Quinn ready?

"You'll have to ask Brady that," said tight end Steve Heiden, one of the Browns' co-captains. "But from what I've seen, I think he is."

Quinn's readiness is at the heart of an internal debate raging inside Cleveland's team headquarters.

The Browns don't want to rush the 22-year-old Quinn into the starting lineup. But after seeing both Frye and Anderson throw interceptions, force passes into tight coverage, and in Frye's case, hold the ball too long, the club may have no other choice.

Quinn missed 16 practices during a holdout in training camp, and the Browns might feel he hasn't taken enough practice snaps to effectively run their offense against a rugged early schedule that includes Pittsburgh, Oakland, Baltimore and New England - all top 10 defenses last season.

The Browns' preference would be for Quinn to sit and learn for as long as possible. That's the short-term plan. What remains to be seen is how long Crennel and general manager Phil Savage stick with it if Frye and/or Anderson continue to struggle.

During his news conference on Monday, Crennel said he would not discuss any possible personnel moves with the media until he had spoken to his players following an afternoon film session and meeting.

Pressed by reporters on whether he felt Quinn was ready for the Bengals, Crennel, who dropped to 1-12 against AFC North teams, became annoyed with the line of questioning.

"For me to make a comment on where I think Brady is or where he is on the depth chart, that's making a personnel decision," Crennel said, "so I'm not going to do that."

Crennel did say Quinn would be part of any conversation about the quarterback situation, which became more muddled Monday when Ken Dorsey, released by the team on Sept. 1, was at the team's training facility.

Dorsey served as a mentor for Quinn during training camp, and his return could add credence to the Browns getting Quinn ready for the Bengals.

Crennel has been firm on not wanting to accelerate Quinn's growth track. And despite the lopsided loss - Cleveland's eighth straight to the Steelers - he hasn't changed his stance. Crennel felt throwing Quinn into Sunday's debacle in the fourth quarter would have done the rookie more harm than good.

Frye didn't have such protection.

After winning an open competition during the preseason over Anderson, Frye was yanked by Crennel with 6:34 remaining in the second quarter. By then, he had gone 4-of-10 for 34 yards, thrown a horrible interception and been sacked five times.
Week 1:
Thursday, Sept. 6
» Colts 41, Saints 10
Sunday, Sept. 9
» Broncos 15, Bills 14
(on NFL Replay, Mon., 5:30 p.m. ET)
» Patriots 38, Jets 14
(on NFL Replay, Tues., 8 p.m. ET)
» Redskins 16, Dolphins 13 (OT)
(on NFL Replay, Tues., 10:30 p.m. ET)
» Titans 13, Jaguars 10
» Packers 16, Eagles 13
» Vikings 24, Falcons 3
» Steelers 34, Browns 7
» Panthers 27, Rams 13
» Texans 20, Chiefs 3
» Seahawks 20, Buccaneers 6
» Chargers 14, Bears 3
» Lions 36, Raiders 21
» Cowboys 45, Giants 35
(on NFL Replay, Wed., 8 p.m. ET)
Monday, Sept. 10
» Ravens at Bengals, 7 p.m. (ESPN)
» Cardinals at 49ers, 10:15 p.m. (ESPN)

If that wasn't bad enough, some Cleveland fans booed Frye, while others chanted "Bra-dy," "Bra-dy."

Crennel's quick hook of Frye could indicate the coach's lack of confidence in the third-year veteran, just 6-13 as a starter. Crennel felt the move was his only option in a game that was quickly slipping away.

"If you don't pull him your team might say: 'The coach is not doing enough to win, or to try to win,"' Crennel said. "I think that Charlie didn't play his best game and he would say that he needs to improve. I don't think that he holds it against me for taking him out when I did. I was just trying to do what I thought was best for the team. That's what a coach has to do."

Anderson was only slightly better than Frye.

He went 13-of-28 for 184 yards and produced Cleveland's only touchdown. While he may have a stronger arm than Frye or Quinn, Anderson has a tendency to make poor decisions with the ball.

But Anderson, who made three starts last season, remains a safe option if the Browns want to wait on Quinn.

Either way, Cleveland's quarterback drama drags on.

Heiden said that if Crennel decides to make a switch, he'll have the backing of everyone in Cleveland's locker room.

"Whoever he says is the guy, is the guy," he said. "I think we're all on the same page and we all want the best person to play. You could ask 53 guys in this locker room and they'll all say the same thing.

"We all just want to win and the quarterbacks would say the same."

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

My prediction: Frye gets released, Dorsey Re-signed... Quinn starts Sunday.

I bet the plan all along when Dorsey was released was Savage telling him "Don't sign with another team because I promise you'll be back when it's time for the Quinn era to begin."

Either that or he might get the start Sunday.

I'm ok with that...at least he knows where to go with the ball even if his arm sucks.

thats what they were saying on wtam, that frye might be the odd man out

I think Anderson and Frye aren't that good but releasing Frye I think is an emotional move; I think he would be a better backup than Anderson.

Frye looked awful but Anderson also has shown he can't win and can't read a D.

where they saying it because Triv (AKA the new roger brown) said it or because they want to keep the punter they signed last sat? I walked out of the CBS sunday and said to my friend that Frye is done they may just cut him and sign Dorsey. Wonder if he was listening?

Just got done reading an article on the Orange and Brown report.

Crap is hitting the fan.

Do not be surprised by anything that transpires over the next couple of weeks.

Lerner is reported to be extremely upset.

lol good thing all us fans are keeping it real and remaining calm cool and collected while all this is going on.

If thats the reason we have been unstable, we have just had horrible management. The fans dont run the team.

yep if browns fans are nothing else...they are calm cool and collected

I agree with that. Although I never in my nightmares imagined they would look as bad as they did sunday have to admit that my first knee-jerk reaction was ok thats it. Then after talking it over just came to the understanding of Frye fell apart and couldnt take the pressure. Be through coaching or just plain and simple he doesnt have what it takes Im convinced that Frye should not start next week. Quinn however isnt on my radar screen atm. I may have moved him up a bit because I was good with him sitting the year but now Im more toward getting him in earlier.

And yes you are right we are as much a part of the problem because I know if im out there and everyone is calling for my head its going to affect me either in a positive way (Im going to prove them wrong) or negitive (I cant make a mistake) which sadly is what happened sunday.

I also believe the media has as much blame on that as the fans. Some fans just keep getting grinded down by the media telling them what they think the Org should do and start to fall in line which also doesnt help matters.

Bottom line it was 1 game of 16. Much will happen across those 16 and if they won 15 from here out people will still somehow be unhappy for some reason.

although I totally understand what you are saying and can relate to the vent part of it, Im sure that Frye after that first series felt so much more confidence getting boo'd off the field and watching the punt go 22 yards seeing EVERY ref in the building toss a flag and ending up down 7-0. Yeah this looks good. BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
I was pissed but not to that point at the time. Crap happens and I was down with that just happend to us. No problem, lets get on them then Frye just looked like he didnt want to make any mistakes which of course let to another and then it was on so to speak. Frye was done the game was lost and OUR browns looked totally outclassed.
Was it the fans? Who knows but Frye looked to me like he wanted to get it done but had nobody behind him after 4 to perhaps 7 plays.
If your on the road and people boo you fine you take that but at home? Then they start to chant for the 3rd string QB? Yeah that really makes me feel great and thats what I saw heard and was shocked at during the game.
Yeah sitting there watching us get creamed was bad but the fans at the game didnt help the home team at all that much I agree with.
I have to imagine that Pitt was loving it when the crowd is booing the home team and chanting for Quinn in the 1st quarter ( which the rumblings were there) then really bringing it for the 2nd.
Here is the thing that really hit me. When they pulled Frye and maybe it was mid 2nd or 3rd Quarter dont remember exactly they all went out on the field and DA was in then CF and BQ walked back to the sidelines BQ wouldnt even walk next to CF. Frye followed him tried to talk to him but BQ just kept walking away. Thats when it hit me that Frye was done. If a rookie wont even talk to you, the crowd is calling for a rookie, and you have no friends? Your done as an NFL player. Game over so to speak.

Nick thats interesting, your take on the game.

It was interesting when I was watching the game, I saw the punt debacle and went...ho...ly...crap...worst play ever. Then its 7-0...

I thought to myself, well...oh well it happens, new punter, tough D, its ok, we're ok...its not bad its only 7. Then we throw to DeShea Townsend and I think..well...still terrible we need to relax, lets get some point next possession 7 or 3...we're still in this 10-3 is better than 10-0 and 10-7 is a game.

then its 17-0 because we blow it again...and im thinkin, well' lets get 7 by the half. 17-7 at the half is managable.

we go in 17-0 and im pretty down, but my thought was...well, if we get a stop and points its 17-7...and then its 24-0 and thats when it finally just sunk in, we're done.

I dunno if it was the opener that gave me hope or what, but i just couldnt believe we'd play that bad.


ANYWAY...on to the topic at hand, nick you just worded my thoughts, i felt the same way. but, Ken Dorsey in town. GOOD. This kid shouldnt have been cut. Sign this guy for 5+ years. I dont care if he throws the ball left handed. He's smart, and thats what we need. Right now, CF and DA are dumb as QBs. its been that way as long as theyve been here. Ill take smart over dumb every time. Give me Ken Dorsey, and please let him show Brady what its like to be a great QB.

BRING BACK KEN

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The Browns' preference would be for Quinn to sit and learn for as long as possible.

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Only thing Quinn is learning is not to hold on to the ball to long, throw the ball so the receiver can catch it, and identify the blitzes. O wait, he learned that in college, so what the heck is he learning by watching Frye and Anderson stinking it up??

Well, when you lose the way we did to an Arch Rival in our home,,, it's embarrassing.. I'm sure Lerner hit the roof..

He's said more than once, he's just a fan.... When you consider what some fans have been saying, NOTHING would suprise me including, (not in any order)

Frye Released
Dorsey Starts
Anderson Released
Quinn Era starts sooner than desired
Quinn starts now

You go through the whole off season, Minis, and camp telling the world that you have a real QB Competition and then after the first disasterous outting,, the word slips out that the one guy that nobody thought had a shot of starting is brought into town for discussions.

I have no idea how this is gonna shake out.. But whatever happens, this demonstrates that this organization is prone to panic.

Then again, Dorsey spent the last two years here. Perhaps he was just coming by to say hi!


Yeah,, I don't believe it either!

Just because dorsey came to the training camp dosent mean he's gonna return to play...Maybe he's returned and accepted a coaching postion ?


If we dump Frye and start anderson I'll have lost faith in the FO. What good is that gonna do...Really,

isn't that the truth

This is good though

Quinn was reportly "very" upset they released Dorsey

Dorsey is very smart, the guy will mae a very good Qb coach and Later Offesive Coordinator in this league..he is like Bernie...can read a D, make Adjustments, knows the offense...if only he had the physical part, the arm

The good news is, this guy will "Be there" to "Help" Quinn..our Qb coach obviously can't, Dorsey will be able to help him with the gameplan, talk to him during the game, show him his mistakes

Dorsey will be to Quinn what Gary Kubiak was to John Elway(Kubiak was Elway's backup, he greatly helped turn John Elway into a great QB) this is "Perfect"

I think if we sign Dorsey, Quinn could possibly be ready for the Bengals.....if not i say Dorsey gets the Nod against Cincy....but it's looking more than likely that Quinn is gonna be in sooner rather than later.

I think he will be just fine, he will make some rookie mistakes, we will have to be patient with him, but he will also make some big plays for us, the future is bright for the Browns

Look for Quinn to really catch on during the last 8 games this year if he gets the start this sunday or next..in a few games he will really get into a groove i think

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WHY lose faith if we dump Frye???...It's painfully obvious that the dude cannot sustain any type of long drive without making some stupid ass mistake that kills it...And he's not the ONLY problem...Just the BIGGEST ONE...

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Why, Because it would make no since, i'm not saying Frye is the answer, but why dump Frye and keep anderson, anderson cant hit the broad side of a barn 20 yards from it. Brady is gonna start,bringing Dorsey back to help him will only accelerate his learning curve, ok granted. But why sign Dorsey to a players contract, knowing he will never see the field, God help us if he does ever see the field. If this organization is dead set on holding Quinn out this year, they would have already released Frye or Anderson and signed Leftwich to get thru the season, which we didnt.

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The only thing worse than getting ragged at work about my beloved Browns is the silence I was met with today. Instead of ragging on me, they actually felt sorry for me. That is how low this franchise has sunk.

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That is pretty much what happened to me as well.. I expected to get razzed royally.... instead they were encouraging, told me it will get better... pity sucks.

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pity sucks

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It got so bad i was offered sex if it made me feel better....But I said NO and told her to get back into her wheel chair, put her teeth back in and finish her Pudding

Clay, why was my wife at your place? I'll have some tough questions for her after her "aerobics for seniors" class.

i was for Frye over Anderson, b/c i still think he's the better (bad) player 4 out of 5 days...BUT, if we're going to go to Quinn early, i'd rather keep Anderson...reasons...

1. Anderson's style is more like Quinn, and thus would fit in better if thrown into a game, IMO...Frye would be the better backup for a guy like Garcia or Young, as those offenses become accustomed to this run around and try to make something happen style...that's not Quinn and this offense, from what i see and hear...

2. with Anderson's size and arm strength, he has more upside than Frye...neither guy can read a D, but supposing they both learn to, i'd take Anderson over Frye, b/c then he has the smarts AND the physical giftsto be a nice backup...Frye has no gifts other than making 4yd-or-less plays look exciting...

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1189499885154300.xml&coll=2

Cleveland Browns bring in QB Ken Dorsey
Browns bring in Dorsey, meaning . . . ?
Tuesday, September 11, 2007
Mary Kay Cabot
Plain Dealer Reporter

The Browns brought quarterback Brady Quinn's mentor, Ken Dorsey, back to their facility in Berea on Monday evening and probably will re-sign him today.

The question is, was he brought in just to help Quinn get ready to start as soon as possible? Or will he be named the surprise starter for Sunday's game in Cincinnati?

And who will be the odd man out when the Browns re-sign Dorsey today? Could it be Charlie Frye? Punter Paul Ernster?

The Browns weren't happy with either Frye or Derek Anderson during Sunday's 34-7 loss to the Steelers, and one of them could take the fall.

The Browns still are determined not to rush Quinn into the lineup and aren't about to let one horrendous game foil their plans.

"I think you run into trouble if you change your plans after one game," Browns General Manager Phil Savage told Sports Illustrated's Peter King after the game. "Back in 1999, we lost to Pittsburgh, 43-0, in the first game of the season with Ty Detmer playing, and we threw Tim Couch in there. You saw how that turned out. Once Brady goes in, that's it; there's no turning back. To do it after the first week . . ."

So Dorsey, who played for Rob Chudzinski at the University of Miami, might be a viable stopgap measure. They would've re-signed him Monday, but the 4 p.m. deadline to make roster moves had passed by the time he arrived. Instead, Dorsey spent time in Chudzinski's office Monday evening.

Savage declined to comment on Dorsey's return and its ramifications. So what are some of the Browns' options when Dorsey comes on board?

The Browns can cut either Frye or Anderson. Frye earned a 10 rating and Anderson a 65.2. Frye also was sacked five times and threw an interception. Anderson lost a fumble and threw a pick.

They can waive Ernster, who dropped his first punt Sunday to get the Browns started on the wrong foot. Dave Zastudil said Monday he thinks he will be ready to go this Sunday.

They can release another player or place someone on injured reserve.

Coach Romeo Crennel, who met with the media at noon, hinted he will name a new starting quarterback but held off so he could inform the players first. The team met at 1 p.m. to watch film, and no one was available afterward.

"Whether I'll make any [moves] or not, I'll let you guys know the next time we meet," said Crennel.

But does Crennel also believe that Quinn isn't ready yet?

"Well, basically yes," he said.

He then became annoyed when asked if Quinn is under consideration for the Bengals game. It was at least the third time in the past few weeks that he's expressed frustration with a QB inquiry.

"I really love you guys," he said sarcastically. "I said I'm not making personnel decisions today. For me to comment about where I think Brady is on the depth chart, that's making a personnel decision."

But is he at least part of the discussion?

"Every player on my team is part of the discussion," said Crennel. "They have to be."

Savage stressed he won't throw Quinn to the wolves, pointing out that four of the next five games come against top-10 NFL defenses from last season.

"Our whole thought was Charlie and Derek keeping us functional through the tough part of our schedule," Savage said. He added that "if you ask 70,000 people in our stadium today, the process got accelerated" but that the Browns will err on the side of the caution. He also said the Browns met at 7 a.m. to discuss it, but that meeting was part of the regular Monday schedule.

Crennel stressed that he has a plan.

"I'm just not letting you guys know," he said.

Perhaps the Browns were hoping another team would come calling by today. The Giants' Eli Manning suffered a shoulder injury and could be out awhile.

Crennel said it wouldn't be difficult to go back to Frye after pulling him with 6:34 left in the game in favor of Anderson.

"Any player can have a bad game," he said. "During the week he might get better, then you can go with him. If I put him out there, I expect him to do the best he can."

He also said he thought Frye could still succeed at home, despite the "Brady! Brady!" chants and the boos when he left the field.

"Charlie has never given any indication that he was worried or he wasn't confident," said Crennel.

Frye's teammates said they'd support any decision Crennel made, including starting Quinn.

"If Brady's playing, he'll be the best quarterback for this team," said tight end Steve Heiden, a team captain. "I can guarantee you that. I think we're all on the same page, and we all want the best person to play."

He said he thinks Quinn is ready if called upon.

"You'd have to ask Brady, but from what I've seen, I'd say he is," said Heiden.

J/K

I didn't want to get into this yesterday because I was riding the emotional roller coaster.

The more I think about it I don't understand why they don't just go to Quinn. As long as he knows the offense and where everyone is supposed to be what can it hurt.

If the other 2 are going to play like rookies than we should just start the rookie.

j/c

Anybody worried about how this team is being ran?

They flip coins to determine starters
They cut a guy one week
They bring back the cut guy the very next week
They spend 8 months choosing a starter
1 1/2 quarters into the season they say they screwed up the past 8 months of evaluation.


The guys running this team can't make decisions without a coin.
The guys running this team had 8 months to figure this out and 1 game into the season, they say they totally screwed up.

These guys are wasting millions of dollars.

Hey Randy Lerner, pay me 100,000 a year. I can flip coins and change my mind 1 game into the season after having 8 months to make the proper evaluation in the first place. I can dumb myself down to be as incompetent as the guys running this team.



Let me guess.

After the Bears game, a coin was flipped. It came up cut Dorsey
After the Ptt game, a coin was flipped. It came up bring back Dorsey.
Now a coin still needs to be flipped to see who to cut.

It's obvious these guys don't believe in their own talent evaluations, they rely on knee jerk reactions and coin flippings.

This is eerily similar to 1999. The Browns got schlacked by Pittsburgh on opening day. The Ty Detmer era ended after one week. The Tim Couch began in week 2. Couch was mentally damaged and would never recover.

<sarcasm>But... hey... this team seems light years ahead of the 1999 team. There is no reason to think history would repeat itself.</sarcasm>