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The same small handful of posters feel the need to hijack thread after thread after thread.

Congrats, yet another thread ruined.

I think everyone is putting the cart before the horse.

Sure, Mayfield looked good in most of the games he played last year. However, its very common for the Sophmore Slump and i expect Baker to have exactly that. there wa snot a lot of film nor time to study Mayfield, his tendencies, and Kitchens O....that is not the case this year...the teams on our schedule have already begun dedicating their time into slow or stopping baker, and defensive coordinators are not stupid.

I fully expect come week 8 that Bill Bellichik will put out the book on how to shut down Mayfield. It will be after this game that Mayfield will be FORCED to adapt. He will be pushed out of his comfort zone, he will be forced to rely more on learning and being a student of the game than his athletic ability which he has largely relyed on in his games played last year.

I was really hoping we wouldn't play NE this year because Bellichik has a way of putting young QB fire's out. I don't discount Mayfields athletic ability and his arm, but I am not sure he is a student of the game in the likes of a Manning, Brady, Rivers, etc...Athletic ability alone won't carry you in the NFL, and I am not sure Mayfield is as football smart as people think he is...i think he is very average in the brain department, of course that can be improved upon if he is willing to put in the work to do that, bur I am not 100% sure he is...he says all the right things, I just guess we will have to see.

Look what Bellichik did to Goff and the most potent offense in the league last year...Bellichik is going to show Baker things he has never seen before, Bellichik is way, way, way, way smarter about football than Mayfield can ever hope to be, but i truly think Mayfield is arrogant enough to think he can outsmart the greatest football mind ever...i think he is going to have the worst game of his career against Bellichik and is going to leave that game humbled...and he will no longer have the same look in his eye or swagger he once had.

prove me wrong Baker, Prove me wrong...

Big 12 coaches had three years to figure Baker out, and he was a Heisman finalist twice, and won it once. There was zero dropdown from his first year to his second year at OU.

I expect Mayfield to bring Belicheck to his knees.

Well for half of last season I believe you were campaigning for the Browns to draft a QB in the first round this year ... so I am not surprised about how you predict Baker plays this year. It seems you have a extremely large cup of hatorade for Baker. I don't know why. They guy had one of the best - or the best - rookie QB season in the history of the NFL and it sure seems like you are still wanting to pee all over him.

Bill Bellichik (one of the greatest ever coaches in the history of the NFL - known for torturing and devising game plans to leave young QB's beaten and trampled) might find a way to dampen Baker's fire ? No Way !

As for proving anyone wrong - he did that already. At HS. At college. And now at the NFL. And while anything is possible - I'm surely feeling more "certain" he will continue to prove himself than I expect him to fail.

You do realize that includes you, don't you?

I don't think it will make a difference.

I think you are being too dramatic and using hyperbole. I don't care for Baker as a person, but the guy played very well last year. I also saw him improve his pre-snap reads during the season. That is pretty impressive and shows he put the time in to study game tapes.

I am not as positive as just about everyone else that Baker is going to be a great qb. I think he still has to prove it on the field. I do give him a pretty darn good chance of being a very good qb and maybe even better than that.

As expected, just more drivel from you. How you come up with the crap you spew amazes me.

Very average in the brain department - how did you arrive at that conclusion?

How did Mahomes (twice), Watson, and Trubiskey do against that Belichick D?

It doesn't go over well because it makes no sense. Landry had more receiving yards in his first four seasons than anyone. Duke? Yeah, when you make silly comparison that holds no merit, people will either make an opposite comment or simply laugh. Either would be appropriate in this circumstance.

Receptions, not receiving yards.

Odell actually has 400 more receiving yards in his first 4 seasons than Jarvis does. Odell also played in 17 less games during those 4 years.

You're right. Thanks for the correction. However, there is still no comparison to make there between the two.

Sure there is and it both revolves around usage and talent.

That's actually where there has been no comparison at any time during their respective careers.

Actually a lot of people have talked about Jarvis's usage rate and his underwhelming stats that go along with it.

Over the course of his career and before we signed him? You sign a guy based on what he's done.

Yeah, not many people are impressed with 90+ receptions, 800-1100 yards per season and 4 tds.

There's a reason why he was traded for two day 3 picks.

You mean there were a few people here that were not impressed. Some people do have a problem understanding that you need to move the chains to score points.

No there were quite a few people in the media and the league who have talked about this.

Also his first down rates aren't impressive.

And I don't think any Jarvis stan should look at advanced metrics, because they are not favorable to him.

You mean things that haven't happened yet? Crystal ball kind of BS?

Talked about what?

You call it advanced metrics. Predicting things that have not yet happened.

Look, when Landry was the only target opposing teams felt the need to focus on, double coverage had an impact. That's no longer the case. If anything, things will open up for Landry.

Advanced metrics measure a few things, some of which are predictive, but not all things. DVOA is probably the best example in football of an advanced metric, it measures the season and does not predict future success.

Also as a slot WR who runs 5 yard routes, Jarvis doesn't face a lot of double teams and never has.

Yeah, opposing defenses weren't focused on Landry last year.

Not what I said, but keep on misinterpreting the English language. We have a resident menza who can help you a lot there.

Not trying to get into the middle of this, but it's important to remember that Landry also brings intangibles: leadership, passion and wanting to win.

Anybody with as many catches as he's had must be doing something right.

I wholeheartedly agree with the first half

Well you said he rarely received double coverage yet say they did focus to Landry? Can you explain how those two things co-exist? Maybe you didn't care for the specific term double coverage but there was always more than one person focusing on Landry. Covering his area of the field was not left to a singe player.

Lolz.

So did Joe Thomas.

I think we need to expel commentary like this, to be honest, when it comes to these wild intangibles that don't really mean much. Joe Thomas was great because of his skill and talent. He didn't make the team better because of leadership, passion, and "wanting to win".

That's a misguided comparison.

So those virtues are insignificant? You ever play team sports?

Insignificant? No. Worth as much as other things? No.

Catching almost 500 passes in five NFL seasons is pretty damn impressive.

Edit: goofed on number of seasons....

A WR actually catching passes means nothing.

Yeah, it's worthless.

You can focus on a player and not double team them. Linebackers focus a lot on him, but not safeties. And yeah most zone defenses are built around 2 linebackers covering the middle of the field. That doesn't mean they're doubling him...

No one is saying it is "worthless". Look, if you want to have a discussion about Landry, I'm happy to do so, and you know full in advance where my view will be coming from. But if you want to act like Pitdawg, you can be treated liked Pitdawg.

I view it like the 4 minute mile. Cool trivia, but I'm not sure how historically significant it is. Michael Thomas might hit 500 receptions in his first 4 seasons.

Lol, I've said my piece, I don't think much more discussion is necessary. Love your last sentence though...