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He isnt a leader he supports QBs that lack leadership ability.
He had 2 choices... both of them lack leadership ability... he drafted one who appears to have leadership ability and will put him on the field as soon as he is ready... what else was he supposed to do?
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It's like I told peen earlier in this very thread,, I'd help him run RAC out if he can't do anything with this talent,, But I'm not ready to do that after one game,,,, Maybe that will take all year, maybe it will take half that time,, I don't know. But when I feel it, I'll say it.
Today, I think that any rash decision like that is clouded by the horrible beating we took sunday..
Peen apparently and some others want to lay this at the feet of RAC,,, still others want to lay the entire loss on Frye and still others yet think that Rip Scherer should be gone.
I just think that there is enough blame to go around and if you want to play the blame game, then a whole lot of the offensive players and coachs, including the HC should be fired..
Lewis - 11 attempts, 35 yards,,, Fire him
Frye,,,, what do I need to say,, Fire him
Anderson,,, not a WHOLE lot better than Frye,,, Fire him
OLine,,, allowed 6 sacks and one stripped ball,,, Fire them
Lewis again,,, Fumbled,, FIRE HIM
Rip Scherer,,, what's he actually do? FIRE HIM
Savage took control of coaching hires and picked CHUD,,,,, FIRE THEM BOTH..
Edwards can't hang on to the ball,,,,,FIRE HIM
After a while it just plain gets stupid... ONE GAME PEOPLE,,,ONE GAME!
I'm hurting and embarrased right now,, just like all of you. I feel cheated,, run over, run down, lied to and Generally beat up from that game Sunday,,, And let's not even get into the anger part,,, Yikes,,,
Don't tell me it's not Knee Jerk reactions,,,
What else would you call it when, after one game, half the people on this board want someone fired! Hell, they can't even agree on who it should be!
Call it what you will, but a rose is a rose no matter what term you use,,
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I think this is his last season with the Browns, but don't see him leaving until the end of the season. This is a move that could come from Savage or even higher up, but none the less, I think he's on his way out. One thing I noticed about this team is that alot has changed except the head coach win lose his reaction at times is questionable. I see him like a Ray Rhoades type of guy, great D coordinator but not head coach material. We need someone who at times where's his emotions on his sleeve, not someone who just seems to go thru the motions.
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Keep this thread going. So far he is not the man for the job. He has been here long enough to make a change. We paired a rookie gm with a rookie head coach, mistake. There is a reason this guy was an assistant for 22 years and never moved up, his player control is terrible. Anybody see Kellen pointing at Vickers saying that was my ball? How about the offense looking confused every time they went back to the huddle? Lets be honest, Romeo is a assistant at best. If i was a season ticket holder id be so mad. So frustrated paying that much money to watch the slop play of this team. I hope this guy shuts me up and starts winning some games, but in all reality he is going to do nothing but be satisfied with not getting the job done, and starting players with no leadership quality.
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Anybody see Kellen pointing at Vickers saying that was my ball?
Where did you hear this from...Why because I heard from a players mouth, Vickers was gonna celebrate his first NFL TD and Winslow stopped him, telling him this wasnt a good time. Enjoy it keep the ball but were a long way behind, dont spike the ball or jump around.
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in all honesty, if Vickers doesn't jump and catch it, KW2 probably could have caught it, he was right behind him.... the pass may very well have been intended for KW..
And I also saw, clearly on tv, Winslow trying to get him to calm his celebration because we had just made it 24-6..... I made that comment in another thread, KW2 was showing some real maturity and leadership and I liked it. Even on the balls he caught after we were behind, he jumped up but he didn't dance and pump his chest and get in anybodys face...
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Anybody see Kellen pointing at Vickers saying that was my ball?
Where did you hear this from...Why because I heard from a players mouth, Vickers was gonna celebrate his first NFL TD and Winslow stopped him, telling him this wasnt a good time. Enjoy it keep the ball but were a long way behind, dont spike the ball or jump around.
I saw this at the game. Kellen looked like he was just kidding around with Vickers though. Kellen was the one that picked the ball up and brought it to the sideline for Vickers to keep.
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alright my fault for assumptions, guess that is one of the few positives. Regardless Romeo needs to go. His press conference was a joke. Listening to this guy answer questions is like pulling teeth.
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You just listed several reasons why RAC must go...in his 33rd game, a home opener, against a hated rival...his guys laid an egg...again.
You can't fire all those guys listed...but you CAN fire the guy who is ultimatley responsible for their performance.
I wish it weren't so...but it is.
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While Crennel may get dumped this year, a few days after game 1 is far too soon to be considering it.
Game 1 is, ultimately, one game. Any result, good or bad, should be guaged accordingly.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I fully understand that YTBF....but this isn't a 1 game evaluation.
It is 1 more game that happens to be the first in a season.
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*LOL* .... YO REFS ... this belongs in the LOOKING BACK FORUM ... all this is a rant about the Stiler game disguised as a fire rac now thread ... *LOL* ..
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No...it's looking forward.
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Soon it will need its on forum lol
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Let the Knee jerk reactions continue!
Where you been? Mourg has been saying this for AGES
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Good to see that you are still going at it very strongly...Peen. Before I cast judgement on RAC, I would at least give him the opportunity to work with a Competent NFL Quarterback first. And we do have ONE on the roster. Give him a chance with a Ready BQ and then we can determine whether or not he should be let go. JMHO! 
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NEXT!!!!...we need more grist for the mill !!!
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So how long until Brady Quinn starts to complain That RAC is holding him back and we need to Hire C.Weiss as a head coach.
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I want RAC out of here
as much as Frye stunk it up, and has stunk it up...that shows the ineptitude of this organization from top to bottom.
why do you waste 9 months, have a competition, name Frye your starter, then bench him after 1 quarter of play? to make it worse you "trade him" 2 days later?
that is just pathetic...im sorry, but i didn't want Frye on the field, but i thought he would have made a fine back up, you don't trade the guy you started
the season with as your starter 2 days later because you lost. this is just a classic bone-headed move by our Front Office...completely boneheaded
this our Front office botching a punt like Sunday, or Scott Frost shanking a 6 yarder from our own endzone.
The ineptitude just never stops here...the coaching staff is inept, the front office is inept, the whole freaking organization is
Well Frye be "thankful" you out of her, this just may have saved your career
i by no means wanted Frye back on the field, but i wouldn't have traded him. that just makes us look like buffoons! he should have sat the bench till the end of the year, and then we could have cut him or traded him then and saved face and looked like a respectable franchise
Well looks like Romeo's days are done here, and So are Savage's..this franchise went into panic mode....this was nothing but pure panic.....
oh well, what do i expect from the Browns
the Sooner we get Marty, or Cowher in here the better off this franchise will be
im so sick of ineptitude...so sick of it...it just makes me sick.
Well looks like Brady is gonna get his shot, he will make the season worth watching i suppose
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I very much agree with you Peen. He needs to go. We have gotten him more talent every year and we look the same on the field. We got destroyed by a team that looked very beatable on Sunday. We looked unorganized. Unprepared. Lacking discipline and then to top it all off we flat out gave up. It's like 9 months of preparing wasnt enough for Romeo. Now we go into week two and God knows what is going to happen. We already traded our starting QB, 3 days after the season opener lol... We are bringing back a guy who didnt make the final roster. Why? We wont start Quinn because he still has to learn. All he is going to learn from the sidelines is what not to do in a game. He probably saw it all this weekend lol...I think he already filled up his entire notebook Sunday... We started a rookie corner who obviously wasnt ready. Frye himself wasnt ready to play football yet according to our brilliant HC he gave us the best chance to win. We play football without emotion just like him. Thats the problem. Our team reflects our coach. Emotionless quitters.... I'm sick of losing by large margins. I'm sick of watching our Browns flat out quit. I'm sick of stupid challenges and the lack of throwing the flag when there is an actual play that is very review able. I really don't think many things will change keeping him around this year. The team already quit and I'm sure they've already lost full confidence in him. It's only week two thats the sad thing about it 
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i agree 100% peen, and barring any changes in performance, my guess is that Romeo knows he's done and we will see Grantham at the bye. Schedule be dammned. As tough as it is this team was NOT ready to play. And that's what finally nailed the coffin shut for me.
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Peen, have to disagree with your premise.. firing a football coach at any time after the season starts is basically an indication that you are giving up on the season... this isn't baseball.
After 2 games or 12, firing the coach is essentially saying, "He was on his way out, this way we get to see our best coordinator in action before the end of the year so we know whether we can promote from within or if we need to look outside. Either way, we don't expect to win many games this year."
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Peen I disagree with you too. RAC is not an outwardly emotional coach like others. But Romeo was visibly angry last Sunday. We will never get anywhere if we continue to get a new HC every time we have a bad game. Let's wait until the bye week at least. Besides we can't talk Bill Cowher back into football until next yr 
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I think Romeo is a good man, a good D coodinator and a good football teacher. I can't take any compliments to the level of HC though.
Sure a HC must somewhat motivate these guys, but c'mon, they're at the highest level of their profession and you'd better be able to get yourself up for the game week in and week out!!!
My gripe is just the indecisive hem hawing around at pressers and with the general decision making! I despise the answering a question with a question and the I"'ll let you know when I know" type answers.
I want a Parcells type twho stands up and says, "I made this decision and I think it's right and I stand by it...problem with that?!" You don't have to be the grand puba of motivational speaking, but you darn well better look like you trust your own judgement or these players won't follow you at all!
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Peen, have to disagree with your premise.. firing a football coach at any time after the season starts is basically an indication that you are giving up on the season...
Haven't you been reading these forums? Looks like most fans are giving up on the season. 
Pretty much agree with you DC. I'm not sure what firing a coach after a couple of games is going to accomplish.
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i by no means wanted Frye back on the field, but i wouldn't have traded him. that just makes us look like buffoons! he should have sat the bench till the end of the year, and then we could have cut him or traded him then and saved face and looked like a respectable franchise
Well looks like Romeo's days are done here, and So are Savage's..this franchise went into panic mode....this was nothing but pure panic.....
if you think looking like a respectable franschise is the goal, then i guess you're right...
as a different sort of fan, i'm looking to actually BEING a respectable franchise, and that comes with being COMPETITVE...people that don't let situations shake out before they cast judgement tend to end up regretting their words...
or, as the immortal Houseman sayeth, "words like conviction can turn into a sentence"...
Browns fans are born with it...
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if our team shows no competitiveness in the next 5 weeks, then i will bless such a decision... 
I agree with that.... I give RAC 5-8 weeks... if no improvement then it's time for a change.
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Pretty much agree with you DC. I'm not sure what firing a coach after a couple of games is going to accomplish.
Hate to use words like "most people" but I have to do it in this post... MOST PEOPLE said RAC had 3 to 5 years of rebuilding when he started... Guys like Wimbley, DQ, Jones, Edwards, Winslow are still learning their positions because of youth and injury.... Thomas and Quinn are new.... Go get OL they said, Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach, LeCharles Bentley are brought in... Still need to learn and play together they said.... Last year they said the offense looks stagnant, can the coach... and it was done. A new system is brought in and most people say it looks more "NFL like" in the preseason, it has motion, the play calling is better they said..... Then after one horrendous game at the beginning of year 3, they said... scrap it all, let's start over... 
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Peen, have to disagree with your premise.. firing a football coach at any time after the season starts is basically an indication that you are giving up on the season... this isn't baseball.
You never know who Lerner might be writing a check to DC.
If you're Phil and Lerner,and you don't trust RAC to coach and develop Quinn?
If you're Phil and Randy and you know Quinn will be starting soon?
Should he begin his learning process under a coach who won't be here next year? Or do you write a big fat check to someone you want to bring in long term NOW to work with Quinn from the beginning?
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Agreed Peen. Romeo is very poor at preparing and game planning for our opponents. After 5 games vs. the Steelers he has yet to figure out how to block their blitzes.
Bottom line is he is a product of Belicheck and he ain't no Bill Belicheck. It was Belicheck's defense, not Romeo's that won those superbowls.
Time for either a seasoned Head Coach such as Marty to lead this team. I don't give a damn if he is 65+ years old. He was 14-2 last year wasn't he?
Randy, get on the horn and get this done.
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Good to see that you are still going at it very strongly...Peen
Wow...a blast from the past....good to see you around Bronx....hope all has been well.
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Let the Knee jerk reactions continue!
i swear Im gonna pistol whip the next guy that says "knee-jerk reaction"
Sorry little Super Troopers humor there, but seriously Ive never heard this phrase until RAC got here 
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ok...I guess it's another chance to voice a couple of Romeo bashes: 1) I did not like his handling of the QB derby in training camp. What kind of decision is a coin flip? Neither player gets a vote of confidence. Tell the player why he won the starting job...and tell the loser why he didn't. Instead, both guys feel like losers. That's as dumb as Butch Davis's gut feeling. 2) The red flags. We're just not good at that part of the game at all. In Romeo's defense, I truely believe that he tosses the red flag in desperation. ie: If this play stands we're totally doomed. The problem is, there was no hope of winning the challenges anyway. note: I do not know for certain that the red flag thing is all Romeo. It could be that he's getting word from 'the box upstairs' to challenge...but I kinda' doubt it. 3) How great of a coach was he to start with? We don't REALLY know, since he made his mark under Bellyache with the Patriots. It's possible that it was mostly Bill. I feel bad making these statements about Romeo because I really think that he's a good guy...just like I feel for Charlie Frye, but I think we'll be better off moving on at the QB position.
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Romeo is very poor at preparing and game planning for our opponents.
This comment by you and others is what really bothers me.
We had a full off season to prepare...a full training camp.....knowing the team we would face game one...a team that punked us last year...and we go out and do this??
Forget it, the guy just doesn't have what it takes. Charlie was his decision....not that of the other coaches...now Romeos choice gets traded....Dorsey gets cut...and now signed again...clear indication it was a Romeo decision.
This guy has been emasculated as a coach. Nobody listens to him.
If he hasn't lost the team at this point, it probably won't take long.
Pretty soon guys will start arguing, fingers will be pointed, and things will be said.
We just need to avoid all of that IMO.....
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Peen... nuttin up big time.  Sorry folks but I agree with Peen 100% about sooner rather than later. Give me ONE instance of where RAC has shown himself to be a coach to be reckoned with while with the browns. Dont give me the Patriots crap , gimme ONE good example of when RAC has proved his worth as head coach of this team. I like RAC .... I really do but he hasnt shown me anything to make me feel so uncomfortable about going on without him.
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I agree with you....
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That's part of the problem, he's too nice of a guy. This team is crying out for some dicsipline.
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Yeah I think we all do. It was easy to get on the bye bye butch wagon because he was such a douche bag, but with RAC you want him to do something and he just hasnt.
I dont think people are jumping the gun with RAC. As you said...his record as head coach doesnt start over every year.
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