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Nah, the moderators combined 2 Mexico threads into one and my post from the other thread didn't fit this one.

I do like chicken fingers tho.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html

So the threat of tariffs did nothing - other than to demonstrate that after striking an agreement with you Trump is more than happy to renege on it immediately.

Tariffs did nothing? Did you miss the past 3 or 4 days of world events?

Did you read the article. Mexico agreed to the same actions months ago.

I guess if you mean threatening to break a trade deal you just made with a country to blackmail them into solving your immigration problem for you, you have a point.....................

Trump announces agreement with Mexico on NAFTA overhaul

https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...-nafta-overhaul

Why would any nation in the world trust Trump's word on anything after this BS?

And what magical liquid do you wash all of your lies down with?

Mexican military begins arresting migrants riding 'The Beast' train to US border


by Anna Giaritelli

June 09, 2019

Washington Examiner

Mexican military deployed throughout the country as part of President Andrés Manuel López Obrador's vow to do more to apprehend migrants headed to the United States, have officially begun targeting foreigners who have hitched rides aboard a freight train known as "The Beast" to get to the U.S.-Mexico border, local media reported Sunday.

Mexican National Guard held up the "La Bestia" train in an unpopulated area near Tuxtla Gutiérrez, Chiapas, a city north of the Mexico-Guatemala border, where migrants have been crossing into the country.

The operation marked the first of its kind since López Obrador and President Trump reached a deal late Friday, in which the U.S. would hold off on tariffs against Mexican imports if the government did more to prevent people from traveling through the country.

"The National Guard was placed on one side, moment that was taken advantage of by more than 200 migrants who got off the train and fled," Nataniel Hernández Núñe, director of the Digna Ochoa Human Rights Center, told El Universal.

Many "hid in the bush, so only 25 were arrested," Hernández said.

The train was headed to Oaxaca, a state located northwest of Chiapas. From there, the train riders would have hopped onto another freight train.
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A map of freight train routes migrants have used for more than a decade to travel through Mexico, according to a 2008 report titled "The challenges of migration in Mexico. A two-sided mirror."
Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean

Mexico's Institute for National Migration has previously said migrants who illegally entered the country and do not have temporary visas allowing them to travel through will be deported because they are in the country without legal permission.

Migrants have used freight trains at a lower rate in recent years compared to how popular it was around 2014 and 2015, when unaccompanied children and families began climbing aboard the trains to avoid paying smugglers to get them to the U.S.-Mexico border.

Mexican authorities in 2014 declared it illegal to ride on the trains when the practice became widespread. Until this weekend, the move has gone largely unenforced.

The trains leave out of Mexico's southern state of Chiapas then go up to Mexico City, located in the center of the country. From there, the trains go in a number of directions, giving migrants options as to which part of the U.S. border they would like to go. The journey typically takes two weeks.


Riding on top of the 12-foot-tall freight cars is dangerous. Injuries and deaths have been well-documented over the past decade, including last month, when a Honduran man trying to jump on board while the train was moving fell off and had his foot run over by a wheel.

Step by Step by Step, we take America back.

It is sad however that Mexico is now doing more to fix the illegal immigration crisis than our own Congress.

Shame on us.

it’s the trump administration bro. The trump era. Under his watch. Yep ....Shame on the GOP leadership. Deplorable as usual.

j/c

Mexico agreed to take action at border months before Trump deal to avert tariffs: NYT



President Trump's deal with Mexico on Friday to drop plans to impose sweeping tariffs on the country in exchange for Mexico's promise to crack down on illegal migration is reportedly made up largely of actions that Mexican officials had already agreed to in discussions over the past several months, The New York Times reported Saturday.

According to the Times, officials from both countries said Mexico's agreement on Friday to deploy its national guard throughout Mexico, "giving priority to its southern border," had already been promised in March during secret discussions with then-Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and Olga Sanchez, the Mexican secretary of the interior, in Miami.

Officials told the Times that the central part of Friday's deal, which expanded the program permitting asylum-seekers to remain in Mexico while their claims are processed, was also agreed upon before Friday's announcement. The Times noted that the Migrant Protection Protocols were announced in December by Nielsen during a House Judiciary Committee hearing.

The Times reported that it was not immediately clear whether Trump believes Friday's deal represents new concessions or whether his embrace of the agreement was an attempt to avoid possible negative political and economic ramifications from imposing steep tariffs on Mexico.

The Hill has reached out to the White House for comment.

Trump had hailed the deal early Saturday, voicing optimism about Mexico's efforts to curtail illegal immigration to the U.S.

The president said the country "will try very hard, and if they do that, this will be a very successful agreement for both the United States and Mexico!" Trump also asserted that, despite some positive reviews, "there has nevertheless been much false reporting (surprise!) by the Fake and Corrupt News Media," though he did not specify what reporting he considered to be false.

Trump's threat to impose tariffs on all goods imported from Mexico drew strong bipartisan pushback from lawmakers who cautioned that such a move would hurt U.S. economic growth and undermine a push to ratify a trade deal with Mexico and Canada.

He had threatened late last month to impose a 5 percent tariff on all Mexican goods starting Monday, with the duties rising to 25 percent by October. However, Trump declared Friday evening that tariffs would be "indefinitely suspended" after Mexico agreed to take steps to prevent the flow of migrants toward the U.S. border.

The Times noted that Trump agreed not to impose the tariffs and to accept Mexico's promises nine days after his initial threat.

The paper reported that some American officials, including Trump, reportedly remain skeptical about whether Mexico has agreed to enough and whether it will uphold its promises. Some have also reportedly questioned if such promises will reduce the number of people arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border.

The Migrant Protection Protocols also face legal challenges from immigrant rights groups who have accused them of infringing on migrants' rights to legal representation, the Times notes.

Aides reportedly cautioned Trump that migrants would continue to trek to the border, despite reaching an agreement with Mexico to curtail the number of people migrating north.

One official told the newspaper that Trump could try to renegotiate if the number of migrants crossing the southern border doesn't diminish quickly.

“The tariff threat is not gone,” the official reportedly said. “It’s suspended.”

https://thehill.com/latino/447592-mexico...ert-tariffs-nyt

so what was the giant hissy fit for?

His base.

Mexico now is doing more to solve our immigration problem than the Democrats.

You president just forced immigration laws on a neighboring country by threatening to break a trade agreement he made with them less than a year ago.

Which means his trade agreement would have been another lie in a business deal he made. The pattern of his life.

It's obvious you no longer care about honesty, character and principals. But I'm sure you raise your children better than that. At least I hope so.

Mexico was doing nothing to stop the immigration into our country just like the Dems. Our President put pressure on them because he could and now they are working to help us resolve our biggest crisis. I have no problem here.

Could you please show me the evidence of that? Or are you just going to sit here and parrot what FOX News tells you.

Now let's look at what's actually happening here rather than parroting some silly phrases.

"Build a wall" is campaign slogan. It's nothing close to a comprehensive immigration policy. That's what the Democrats are looking for. An actual immigration policy that addresses all of the issues that describes. DACA, asylum and a host of other issues. Screaming "build a wall" accomplishes none of that.

Let's look at how this situation got worse so fast. Some try to blame the democrats for that. But we ll know congress can't change anything unless the senate votes on it, approves it and the president signs it. So the democrats have been powerless to change anything.

So why has it become WORSE since trump was elected? Because he's threatened to build a wall across the entire border. He even threatened to shut down the entire border. Even legal points of entry. So if you're in Central America facing gangs, a lack of food and danger at every turn, you feel a sense of urgency to go now! Not wait, not have patience or wait to see how things work out in your own country. According to the rhetoric Trump is saying, you feel you have to go now!

He alone helped create the uprise in people coming to our border. He is the one who can not seem to manage to come up with a complete immigration reform package.

And let me tell you exactly how this will play out. During the heat of the summer border crossings go down. It is almost impossible to make the track from Central America to the United states in the ruling heat of the summer in that region of the world. So as is always the case, illegal border crossings will go down. And you and all of your ilk will claim a victory. But as fall and winter approaches those numbers will rise yet again. And again you'll be looking for someone else to blame it on.

Dude you're wasting your time. He's not smart enough to read 7 paragraphs.

I just leave it as evidence for those who can and will.

Under an agreement hammered out in marathon negotiations with American officials over the last few days, Mexico agreed to send up to 6,000 National Guard troops to its southern border with Guatemala. It also agreed to allow more asylum applicants to wait in Mexico while their cases are pending in the United States.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/world/americas/mexico-tariffs-migration.html

Since you won't watch FOX for the facts, perhaps you guys should read the Times.

I heard this on the radio just today. At this juncture the Mexican government is doing more than American Democrats are to fix the problem with illegal immigrants.

Just stop and think about that one for a moment. WOW!

That Rush Limbaugh sure comes up with some real zingers...

No matter what you say, this is currently true and is a fact.

Democrats are doing ZERO in congress right now. The Mexican government is actually taking action. Pathetic. And hey, it's not like the Dems are even trying right. They got them, what you call it, "sanctuary cities."

Yeah, right, I rest my case.

No. The Mexicans are appeasing Trump with rhetoric. Rather they do actually do what is being reported or not is another story. And the Dems just passed major legislation on immigration that McConnell is going to kill. Don't pretend you didn't know that. Hell, they even tried to give Trump his wall up front but working with Dems was never in Trump's vocabulary so he screwed the dreamers and lost the funding for his wall.

The dems have continually allotted money for boarder security, just not for Trump's wall over the dreamers. Get your story straight.

So today Trump tweets that there’s an additional secret deal that Mexico is going to release after a legislative vote thats huuuuge. And if they don’t pass it, he is back on with the tariffs. Well, Mexico’s top diplomat said that the two countries will look at the current agreement at 45 and 90 days to see if there is progress being made or are there tweaks to be made. BUT there is no additional deal. Nothing beyond what is already agreed to.

Saw that. Mexico denied it right away.

In 2020 GOPers can drain the Trump swamp.

New nicknames for trump. “Walk it back Donny” “Don Tarifific” .......anyone else got any?

An immigration problem that was way down from where it is now because of Trump..

Trump caused the crisis, now he's taking credit for solving it.

What's really funny is the Foreign Minister of Mexico says, we don't have any secret deal with the USA.

Trump keeps saying they do...

Who's lying? Look at history,,, Trump lies about everything..

Poor little Donny

Mexico Agreed to Take Border Actions Months Before Trump Announced Tariff Deal

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html

You've been duped again and only told part of the story.

Grassley: 'Congress has delegated too much authority to the president'

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) sounded off on President Trump's use of executive authority on tariff action on Tuesday, accusing Congress of improperly giving up its power to the White House.

During a call with reporters first reported by Politico, the Iowa senator and chairman of the Senate Finance Committee said tariff actions should be decided by elected lawmakers in Congress rather than by the president's fiat.

"It adds up to something pretty simple: Congress has delegated too much authority to the president of the United States," he said, according to Politico.

"There’s absolutely no constitutional crisis that this president or any other president has created," Grassley reportedly continued. "The constitutional crisis comes from the elected representatives of the people over the last 80 years making a dictator out of the presidency."

Grassley went on to state that "a lot" of progress had been made on a bill he is working on to strip the executive branch of some tariff authority.

“You can imagine how the president feels about tariffs,” he reportedly said. “He may not look favorably on this, so I want a very strong vote in my committee and then, in turn, a very strong vote on the floor of the Senate.”

“This is not about Trump. It’s about the balancing of power,” Grassley added, according to Politico.

The Iowa lawmaker previously criticized Trump over the president's announcement last week that the U.S. would impose tariffs on Mexico in order to force the Mexican government to act on illegal border crossings, calling it a "misuse" of Trump's authority.

"Trade policy and border security are separate issues. This is a misuse of presidential tariff authority and counter to congressional intent," Grassley said in a statement last month.

The plan to impose tariffs on Mexico was canceled over the weekend following backlash from Grassley and other Republicans, with Trump claiming to have struck a deal with Mexico's government on the issue but providing no details.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4480...o-the-president

Don't be silly.
They are smart.
They have their official diplomas as proof.

Pit do you ever listen to yourself? You say Trump made a deal with Mexico months ago.Maybe he did ,I don't know,but Mexico didn't honor this so called deal. Trump then got tough with them and now they are coming around. Obama would have sent them a plane load of money. Which is working out for the better?
Iran is now one of the bigger terrorist countries and I'm sure would be happy to spank them but the Dems would fight him every step of the way.

I'm not sure what you are talking about.

U.S. reaches trade deal with Canada and Mexico, providing Trump a crucial win

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/30/nafta-trade-canada-819081

He most certainly made a trade agreement with them and was threatening to break that agreement.

It wasn't a deal that had anything to do with immigration and Mexico was not breaking the trade deal.

As of now the American people haven't been shown the intel to back up what Iran has been accused of. So I'm really not sure what they are and aren't guilty of at this point. But I would certainly like to learn more.

There's another place we had a deal on nukes until we pulled out of that deal. So if they develop nukes, maybe it's because we gave then free reign to do it.

Here's the deal. Iran has a horrible human rights record. They are a terrible government that are very cruel and are certainly an enemy.

But in both cases, Mexico and Iran, you don't desert the progress you've made, you expand on that progress. Saying, "Yeah, we made a deal with you but we're going to break that deal. And we're going to blame you for it" isn't a sign of strength. It's a sign that no nation on the globe can expect The United states to honor an agreement.

There was a time not long ago that your word meant something. That people could trust our nation to live up to treaties, trade agreements and alliances.

Not so much anymore.

Nothing wrong with breaking a deal when the other side pretty much tells you to go to hell and doesn't do what they agreed to do. Thats when you get tough with them. Not send them large amounts of money and say please like us. Nobody respects that crap. Just look at Obama.

The art of breaking the deal. Lol