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Promote Grantham to HC and promote Mel Tucker to DC. I dont know if he will do any better but he cant do any worse. This gives him time to prove himself one way or the other.
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Promote Grantham to HC and promote Mel Tucker to DC. I dont know if he will do any better but he cant do any worse. This gives him time to prove himself one way or the other.
He'd atleast kick their butts. 
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We may see something like that fairly soon.
I don't think we are interested in a tear down and rebuild.
Savage is convinced we have some talent...and I agree.
I am not sure Lerner knows what to think, but my guess he is still listening to Phil...at least wants to listen.
If we lose next week anything close to this past week, Romeo is done.
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i said in the offseason that, after retaining RAC as our HC, promoting Grantham was my 2nd preference...
i still think that this is premature...i honestly am not convinced that sunday's performance was a continuation of the past...that was massive underachieving for a team that has to overachieve if they want to win a significant # of games...i just ask that they produce to their potential, b/c given time, i think Savage will put enough talent out there to contend...it definately wasn't there last week, and i'm not far behind some of you, but i am holding out a bit of hope that last week was an aberration on an improved team, rather than the same-old same-old...
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If the team comes out flat and uninspired after a drubbing like that, then I'll probably start leaning toward getting someone in that can really fire guys up.
If the team comes out mad as hell and starts punishing teams, then I'm going to say on the "RAC stays" side of the fence.
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What in the last 3 years has shown you we are capable of doing that? We should have hired Mike Nolan in the first place.
I agree that Romeo needs to go but I don't agree with Peens time frame. I say give him until the bye week then if we are still playing like a pop warner football team hand the team over to Grantham and see what he can do. Then hire a guy in the off-season. Speaking of Grantham. BLITZ MORE!! Not just Peak and Wimbley, bring Jones to the box, stack 8 guy's, bring a CB blitz. SOMETHING. Ben had a friggin year to throw. Our db's can maintain man to man well enough by the time it takes a few extra guys to get in the backfield. Quit playing that friggin bend but don't break defense, get after somebody!
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1 divisional win in 3 years. That's not a knee jerk reaction. That's just pathetic. That's enough for me to give some the boot, and hope the door doesn' hit him in the ass on the way out! 
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I agree that Romeo needs to go but I don't agree with Peens time frame.
I don't know I gave a timeframe....I said soon....and then just said if we lose like we did last week he is probably gone...and he probably is....but now that you mention it....the sooner the better
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My bad I guess you didn't. That's what I get for skimming.
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No worries Clutch....I do it all the time.
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I wonder if Crennel sees that he needs to step it up now that he sees how easy it is to get rid of your opening day starter, less then a week after the first game?
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Honestly if he doesn't know already that he needs to step it up he needs to go back coaching defense.
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Wow...a blast from the past....good to see you around Bronx....hope all has been well.
Thanks Peen....all has been quite well, just been busy.
In a way I do understand where you are coming from but every Coach deserve to have a competent QB play for him.
These decisions though, in the way they have been carried out does make this organization look a bit clueless!
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I don't know if its RAC or the whole Freaking team. Ownership, FO, coaching and players. Can't be the cheerleaders, we are the only football team in the world without them.
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Can't be the cheerleaders, we are the only football team in the world without them.
Thats it! Thats exactly what we need to turn this team around.
*goes to start a Browns need cheerleaders thread*
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I don't know if Savage is the problem or Romeo. Savage has his fingerprints over a lot of what has happened. I wonder where the line between the two is.
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....I said soon....and then just said if we lose like we did last week he is probably gone...and he probably is....but now that you mention it....the sooner the better
(scene) Tomorrow morning. Phil Savages office,Berea Ohio.
Enter Randy Lerner.
Randy says to Phil,"Well,it's 9:00 A. M. Phil,time for that conference call"
Phil picks up the phone and dials the number. The phone is picked up and Phil speaks. "Marty,we've talked it over,after the courtesy call last week I gave you,Randy and I have come to the decision that the only way to bring Quinn along and make his chances for his success,as well as the Browns success greatest,is to bring a quality guy like you into the picture".
Marty then replies,"Well,I told you that I wouldn't come in as your coach untill after Crennel was fired. It just wouldn't be ethical."
Phil says,"We understand that Marty. We'll cut Crennel loose in the next week or two and then it will give us untill the bye week to work out your contract deal and get you in here.
Marty,"Well the money........"
Phil chuckles,"Money? Don't worry about the money,we can work that out. But we have this 3-4 defense in place and we'd like to keep that scheme in place so as not to have to shuffle too much personnel. We have an OL capable of shifting as you will require in place. And a cream of the crop young QB. And hell,Chud is basicly running your offense here now!. (laughter from both ends of the phone)
So we've got everything but a few pieces of the puzzle in place for you Marty. You do the coaching and I'll get you the talent. Just tell me what you need.and leave everything else to me. Does a preliminary meeting next week work for you?"
Marty,"Sure. I'll make Modell curse the day he ever fired me and bring you a winner to Cleveland. Have your people call my people to set the date,place and time."
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I don't know if Savage is the problem or Romeo. Savage has his fingerprints over a lot of what has happened. I wonder where the line between the two is.
What does he have his fingerprints on? Edwards, good WR when given the opportunity to catch balls, pulling guys like Lewis to our side, Wimbley and Peek, These are just a few guys that Savage has brought in to help turn this program around. When you dump a whole team when you come in its going to take more than 2 years to put together a competetive team.
I personally like RAC's poise on the sidelines. He has a good public image. We have no idea how manyu tables he's turning over behind the scenes. As mad as we get as fans, he gets angrier because he sees what they are capable of durring the week.
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Derek Anderson in week 1
13 of 28 for 184 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT
Matt Leinart in week 1
14 of 28 for 102 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT's
This is why the Browns are a joke around the NFL. We make knee jerk reactions. Leinart was just as bad as our QB's in week 1
I agree to an extent - I mean what did we learn in that first game that we didn't know last week, but Leinart and McNair have a track-record. Unfortunately so do Frye and Anderson. 
I think this is an abrupt decision - probably a quicker switch to plan-B than expected, but "knee jerk" might be a little overstated in this case.
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i think the only way marty would take the job would be full controll unless he is desperate for that one last run. Marty has had what 2 losing seasons as a head coach? I would love to see him back. He likes the 3-4 and him and Chud are very close and would have no problem keeping him as the OC.
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I believe a ddate has been set and it is in place for Brady in and RAC out about 3 after that. If we can't look like a team, and we did NOT look Bigs on Sunday, then it begins. Brady had a lovely vacation that will continue to hurt him and therefore the team for this season. Until we run block, learn to tackle rather than reach and whiff, and we get a fire in our belly, and catch some, all this on top of a more ambitious plans on coaching end, then we will stink it up. May the Elf be with us! 
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He didn't have control in San Diego. But from my understanding,the GM there just couldn't work with him.
So I don't see him having the whole "control issue" if he and Phil hit it off.
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I would hope that would be the case for whomever might come here,...I don't know if i could stand another tear down and rebuild.
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I really don't think the plan is to tear down.....I think we go with the plan....minus Romeo.
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I hope,...but it might be hard to sell a good coaching prospect on a system if it hasn't proven anything yet....they may look at that as coaching suicide.
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The GM in San Diego is a moron from what I understand.
I don't think Marty would want full control either, I think he would just like some input which is understandable and Savge is willing to give that to him. He gave it to Romeo.
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That's the way I see it. Chud and he get along fine and is pretty much running Martys O now. No change there. And the personnel pretty well fits so no major turnover in O players. He likes the 3-4. So while he may change DC's,the personnel in place would still fit the scheme he puts in place. To me,it would be a relatively painless and VERY "low turnover" transition. Maybe a new QB coach and a few position coaches,but nothing drastic. Time will tell,but from here,it looks like a pretty good fit!
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I'm interested to see how Grantham does as the interim HC.
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IMO Savage would bring in a new HC whose philosophy is close to Romeo's (schematic wise). Too many years building the 3-4. It might even be Grantham.
If we are winless at the Bye, it Will be Grantham.
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It look sliek a good fit but I would still be concerned about Martys track record when it comes to the big one.
But if he can turn this team around I think I could wait on a title. Beats being the laughing stock.
As someone stated. I'm kind of interested to see how Grantham will do as well.
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It may be "interesting to watch" but with our QB of the future waiting in the wings and our "third rookie coach experiment" gone terribly awry,it's time to put some experience at the helm IMO. These experiments gone awry have about ran their course. The difference is now,with Quinn,Thomas,Wimbley.D'Quell,Steinbach,KW2 and a handfull of others,we actually HAVE enough talent to seduce a REAL coach here! That's two things we haven't had since 99. Real talent and a real coach. The talent is being put in place. Next comes the coach!
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if rac gets canned, i don't want anymore OC or DC experiments. I want proven coach leading this team. I'm sick of hiring had coaches that have zero experience as a head coach in the nfl. It's time we got a proven winner.
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I apologize for being a little out of the "who's on which side of the fence" loop around here. Lately. I just getting absolutely killed at work and can't seem to get a free minute to save my l life. Anyway, Pit - I wasn't sure whether your post was in jest or not. Regardless, I'm not sure that your proposition is that far fetched. And to be honest, I might even have a preference for Marty over Cowher. Trivisonno was saying today that he 'knew" that they had offered the position to a couple of guys last year but were rejected. Its just a matter of time unless something dramatic takes place. I don't want another coordinator (i.e.Grantham and Chud). Give me someone who's proven to get us on the right track. Marty (or anyone a little more up in years) may want to "win now", though - so that could be a problem. Anyway - starting to ranting now...
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Squires we arent bringing in a new coach this season. Grantham will be the interim unless RAC starts doing something we havent seen. That would be act like an NFl head coach in his decision making and preparation
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im surprised shottenheimer isnt already coaching somewhere.
SD's GM definitely was in the wrong with that firing.
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Should he begin his learning process under a coach who won't be here next year? Or do you write a big fat check to someone you want to bring in long term NOW to work with Quinn from the beginning?
So you think a Cowher-like guy is going to come into this midseason and install a new system with his own guys? I highly doubt it. In fact I'd be willing to bet the farm against it... so even if RAC gets canned after the Bengals game, the team is going to finish out the season under either Chud or Grantham and unless that person shows great promise, the team would be under a new system next year anyway...
This is what I think... you let RAC finish the season, honestly it will be obvious by about week 11 what his future looks like in Cleveland.. then you begin negotiating and soliciting interest from the Cowhers and Schottenheimers... if one of them shows interest and is real close to taking a deal, then you let RAC go. I really don't want to let RAC go at this point and then play "take your chances" with some no-name coordinator from some other team or some highly successful college coach, unless it was a guy like Weiss... and no, I'm not trying to start a rumor... ... I'd rather keep RAC than do that.
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I don't think the "win now" thing is that far off.
Give Quinn six or eight starts and a few series in the blow outs in the mean time. Thomas and Steinbach with a year under their belts. Wright after his rookie year. Bring in a veteran WR and DL in the FA market with either a rookie or FA RB,and I think you GOT a winner next year!
I think most "real coaches" can see that potential. The personnel we have isn't nearly as bad as they're playing under RAC. They're not a bunch of pro bowlers,but they can win if coached properly. And can be a FORCE next year with a few moves and the right coaching. I truely believe that.
That's why I want them to bring a guy like Marty in. I don't want to see this oppertunity wasted.
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....I said soon....and then just said if we lose like we did last week he is probably gone...and he probably is....but now that you mention it....the sooner the better
(scene) Tomorrow morning. Phil Savages office,Berea Ohio.
Enter Randy Lerner.
Randy says to Phil,"Well,it's 9:00 A. M. Phil,time for that conference call"
Phil picks up the phone and dials the number. The phone is picked up and Phil speaks. "Marty,we've talked it over,after the courtesy call last week I gave you,Randy and I have come to the decision that the only way to bring Quinn along and make his chances for his success,as well as the Browns success greatest,is to bring a quality guy like you into the picture".
Marty then replies,"Well,I told you that I wouldn't come in as your coach untill after Crennel was fired. It just wouldn't be ethical."
Phil says,"We understand that Marty. We'll cut Crennel loose in the next week or two and then it will give us untill the bye week to work out your contract deal and get you in here.
Marty,"Well the money........"
Phil chuckles,"Money? Don't worry about the money,we can work that out. But we have this 3-4 defense in place and we'd like to keep that scheme in place so as not to have to shuffle too much personnel. We have an OL capable of shifting as you will require in place. And a cream of the crop young QB. And hell,Chud is basicly running your offense here now!. (laughter from both ends of the phone)
So we've got everything but a few pieces of the puzzle in place for you Marty. You do the coaching and I'll get you the talent. Just tell me what you need.and leave everything else to me. Does a preliminary meeting next week work for you?"
Marty,"Sure. I'll make Modell curse the day he ever fired me and bring you a winner to Cleveland. Have your people call my people to set the date,place and time."
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I don't think the "win now" thing is that far off.
Sorry, Pit, I should have been more specific. Marty has "won" plenty. He's missing "the big one" and may want a team he feels is closer to having a shot at it. If I were Marty and wanted to get back into it, I'd probably wait to see who gets dropped at the end of the season. Tha aside, I'd still be engaging him as early as possible.
I agree, though, that we are closer than many realize - although our inability to stop the run consistently is very real and needs to be addressed.
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We are closer than many realize or want to admit... We wouldn't be the first team that assembled a good cast of young talent who hadn't figured out how to win yet... then cast off the coach and brought in another guy to reap all of the rewards in his first or second year... in fact it is more often the rule than the exception that it happens that way...
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LMAO, I can't stand this anymore! This thread was started by a guy who fell in love with Derek Anderson after the Chiefs game (and I did the same thing peen but I ain't that football-bright ), and changes his mind 10 times a year about the quarterback. Fire Romeo after one game, or three or six? Please. Bring back Schotty???  Hey!! Maybe Bernie can be OC and Mike Baab can be line coach!!! And then Pit plays screenwriter and shows how much time he has to waste...  WTF is that pit??? Prior to Sunday most all of us agreed we are a team on the rise. Maybe not playoffs in 2007, but getting better. Now, after a single game in which the first quarter gave us: a punter dropping the snap at the two yard line; a Frye INT into triple coverage, Jamal fumbling, all of which created a 17-0 hole that was virtually impossible for this young, still-fragile team to get out of.... you guys are talking about bringing in Marty Schottenheimer without having any idea of what really goes on behind the scenes day-to-day in Berea. If we beat the Bengals next week, 90 % of the posters will start yapping about Romeo rallying the team and getting us set for a playoff run! OMFG!!!
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