Imagine a couple lucky breaks, 11-5 and a home playoff game!
I think that is extremely realistic if we stay healthy ....
It seems everyone knows we have the talent to be pretty good but most of ya’all either are afraid to say it out loud or your still under estimating just how much talent we have and how good we should be ...
Go look at the rosters of the teams in conference .... we were no where close to NE or KC talent wise last year .... well this off season changed things DRASTICALLY ...
They both took decent hits this offseason and we IMPROVED IMMENSELY ...
Go look ....
Chefs add a really good safety ... i think they got the dude from the cards ... they traded for Ogbah and signed Okafor ....
Well they signed Okafor and traded for Ogbah to take the place of Dee Ford and Justin Houston ... THEIR ENTIRE PASS RUSH ... Okafor is a lot like Ogbah a solid DE but he is no where’s near the pass rusher of either Ford or Houston ... they improved in run D but their secondaries jobs just got a heck of a lot harder ...
Then the big LOSSES ... not only did they lose Hunt but they lost him to us ... LUCKY US ... there losing Hill for some time ... question is .. how much ...
Right now ... i think us, the colts, the bolts (chargers) and Jags are better than the Chefs ...
Same with the Pats ... they lost Gronk (don’t poo poo that .. he was still a decent reciever but he was one hell of a blocker ... ) and Flowers and there LT again ... problem with them is Billicheck ... don’t seem to matter who comes or goes in NE ... it just don’t seem to matter so even though I think we have more talent than them I’d still say there better than us ....
Quite frankly I think the 3 most talented teams in the AFC are us the colts and the bolts ... I think Anthony Lynn has done an outstanding job there and its flown under the radar .... he took that franchise from being Philip Rivers and his arm to a team that plays very good D and has an outstanding running game and still have the old gun slinger Rivers stirring the drink ...
Anyhow ... if we can stay healthy .... i think 11 or 12 wins is achievable with our talent alone ... with breaks ... OH VEY ... is it possible? ... *LOL* ... now thats un-realistic .... going from 0 - 16 to ... not even i can type that .... *L* ...
I was listening to Terrell Davis on NFL Network. Terrell and others I have heard fall back on the argument that: "The Browns have not done it yet."
They base it all upon our past record and how we have been ruled by the Steelers.
I don't buy that argument. The past is history. Every season is a new year. All teams change. Some get better others slide down.
We don't know what the Browns will do. Nor do we know what other teams will do.
If you base an assessment on the talent of the roster.
The Browns have a very good team. I believe in talent. We are a much improved team from last year. Not only from talent added but from growth within. Guys who will be better than they were a year ago.
If I were to guess ten wins is super conservative. Winning the North well within reach. After that it is a crap shoot.
Playoffs are future matchups that are close to impossible to predict.
The fact of the matter is, you haven't done it until you do it.
Agreed ...
ANOTHER fact of the matter is, this team has never had a chance to do it and has exactly ZERO LOSSES against the CURRENT roster of the Stilers or anyone else ...
The fact of the matter is, this team has no history to base anything off of ... the ones that were here last year do .. i’d say its a POSITIVE HISTORY coming off a 5 - 3 2nd half ... but thats just me ...
AND we’ve IMPROVED IMMENSELY in two ways ... additions and pups maturing ... the fact of that matter is NO ONE IMPROVED IN EITHER WAY near as much as we did .... u wanna debate that or u got any FACTS OF THE MATTER to those points my friend ... ...
Relax and enjoy dawg ... this is DIFFERENT and its gonna be FUN ... LOTS AND LOTS OF FUN ...
I definitely feel we have an extremely talented team on the rise. I'm certainly looking forward to the season. And last year we rose to the level of beating mediocre teams. But how many teams did we beat that had a winning record last season?
We have a new first time HC. We have a new DC and OC. So why would those on the outside looking in feel confident that our success is a given? We read and follow Freddie. Something people on the outside simply don't do.
The talent certainly exists on our roster with which to do great things. Actually, my belief in what we should accomplish is very close to most others on the board.
But my point was the comments coming from some outside of our team and fan base. I don't see how anyone can blame them for their skepticism. I certainly don't expect those on the outside to line up like lemmings to buy into what's going on here.
We see it. We follow every comment coming from Berea. We understand the magnitude of the changes being brought about. It's just not something I expect from those who don't follow the Browns as closely as we do and I can understand why they may think this isn't for real.
They haven't seen the Browns beat a winning team. They see a first time HC and new coordinators. It's easy for me to see why they expect us to prove it before they believe.
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At this time of year most of the media base everything upon the recent past.
I get their skepticism.
The Chiefs now are a big deal. Before last year not many saw what Mahomes was going to do.
Every year in sports teams come out of nowhere. Look at the Twins this year.
I believe in talent. Lots of things have to come together in addition. But talent gives you a chance. Especially at quarterback. Without Mahomes KC does not go far.
Without Baker we are not "the buzz".
Dorsey's plan is very clear. Bring in players who are driven to win. Get the quarterback. Get players around him. Get corners and a pass rush. Build talent. Get a head coach who can lead men. Freddie had a long interview. Dorsey saw what he wanted in Freddie.
Sounds simple. But the devil is in the details. You have to able see into players. You must be able to identify talent.
We have a lot in place.
Now it is time to execute. I expect this team to perform.
Dorsey's plan is very clear. Bring in players who are driven to win. Get the quarterback. Get players around him. Get corners and a pass rush. Build talent. Get a head coach who can lead men. Freddie had a long interview. Dorsey saw what he wanted in Freddie.
Sounds simple. But the devil is in the details. You have to able see into players. You must be able to identify talent.
We have a lot in place.
Now it is time to execute. I expect this team to perform.
There’s a lot to unpack in there .... i wanna start with Freddie and KJ ...
First ... DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW FREDDIE GOT HERE? ... did Haley “bring” him ... Hue find him ... Dorsey bring his name up ... anyone got a clue where the connection is ....
U said Freddie had a long interview ... and thats huge because it means that Dorsey has been around Freddie and seen him first hand and how he handles himself and he got too see him handle two position groups and got to see him thrown into the fire and how he handled being in the frying pan ...
U know bone ... looking back ... u have to wonder barring lighting striking if anyone had a realistic shot of being the HC unless Freddie couldn’t get out of his own way in his “official” interview .... hindsight being 20/20 the job was clearly his to lose ... he had a 10 stroke lead and was in the clubhouse by the time the season ended ...
the first sign was when KJ promoted him to OC without even Williams input much less knowledge .... he saw something and he wanted to see more .... he got to use the entire 2nd half of the season to figure out just what he had .... another case of the stars aligning for us ... like i been saying, this is DIFFERENT ....
It also means they work together well .... there on the same page .... they like each other and that just improves the work environment .... there rowing in the same direction .... and somethings that huge ... Freddie is right where he wants to be and he has a boss he knows HE CAN TRUST ans WILL HAVE HIS BACK ....
All the above is one heck of a great formula for success .... and the best part ... the other parts of the formula for success all look pretty darn encouraging ....
There’s more of the formula to unpack in your post .... will do more later ...
Kitchens was on Bill Parcells' staff with Todd Haley in 2006 and then was on the Cardinals' staff where Haley was the offensive coordinator for 2007 and 2008.
I am unsure who brought Freddie in as the RB coach. Hue would have had final say as the HC.
Dorsey got to see first hand all about Freddie. And it was his job to lose. From what Dorsey has been quoted on "it was unanimous about hiring Freddie as HC."
In many ways it was the "perfect storm."
Now in any of the interviews of Freddie or Dorsey. It is obvious the mutual respect.
Kitchens was on Bill Parcells' staff with Todd Haley in 2006 and then was on the Cardinals' staff where Haley was the offensive coordinator for 2007 and 2008.
Thanks to U and Pit ... I obviously didn’t know of that connection ...
And here i thought Haley was a bad hire ... this makes it all well well worth it ...
I knew he was on Parcells staff .. he hired him out of college ... when i read that i knew he was someone to take seriously ... its not easy to get hired by or work for the tuna ... well not only did Freddie do that but the tuna thought enough of him to help him throughout his career ...
I wonder if Dorsey had some input on hiring Freddie as RB coach .... because he did carry the Assistant Head Coach designation. (which, technically, would have made him Haley's boss)
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The situation with Freddie reminds me of corporate America. I'm sure all those who have worked in corporate America have all witnessed person after person get promoted and it leaves you scratching your head as to why. Meanwhile there's a Freddie in the corner cubicle who constantly kicks ass but doesn't trumpet himself or play the politics game to get ahead. It only happens through a unique circumstance. Then when the Freddie gets the promotion everyone wonders why the guy wasn't promoted sooner.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
The Jim Donovan Show, Episode 1: Freddie Kitchens and John Dorsey
WKYC Sports Anchor and 'The Voice of the Browns,' Jim Donovan, launches his new YouTube show by chatting with Cleveland Browns head coach Freddie Kitchens and General Manager John Dorsey
Thanks for sharing, we've got two guys who love football, have been successful AND want to give Cleveland a WINNER....WOW, we are blessed.....GO Browns!!!
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Don't know if this belongs here, but it caught my attention. I was watching the building the Browns latest installment and they were talking to Freddie about Wilks. He was talking about how he is a teacher, and made the comment about coaches the are loud and always hollering. He pretty much said that, in his eyes, they holler and get loud to mask inefficiencies in their knowledge of what they are coaching. This made me think about him saying that he didn't choose Williams, and that Williams probably wouldn't have chose him.
It might not be anything, but to me it sounded like a direct shot at Williams and his style. It is also probably one of the reasons Williams wasn't retained.
Don't know if this belongs here, but it caught my attention. I was watching the building the Browns latest installment and they were talking to Freddie about Wilks. He was talking about how he is a teacher, and made the comment about coaches the are loud and always hollering. He pretty much said that, in his eyes, they holler and get loud to mask inefficiencies in their knowledge of what they are coaching. This made me think about him saying that he didn't choose Williams, and that Williams probably wouldn't have chose him.
It might not be anything, but to me it sounded like a direct shot at Williams and his style. It is also probably one of the reasons Williams wasn't retained.
I think he wasn't retained because he was the interim head coach. Greg was a loud coach, but he is well respected as a teacher by everything I have read..
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I don't think Freddie is a dumb person, and I watched the episode and don't remember exactly how it was phrased, but...loud coaches can also be good coaches and quiet coaches can also be bad coaches. I think his comment was directed at all loud coaches who also suck at coaching, not necessarily Greg Williams.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
I don't think so. Freddie won the job and Williams is gone. There would be no need and nothing positive to come from taking a cheap shot at Williams. Freddie doesn't strike me as that kind of a guy. Some are just searching for a story that isn't there IMO.
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I don't think Freddie was talking about GW..I also don't think he even has a valid point. Just because a coach is loud doesn't mean he is hiding anything..Some coaches are that loud rah rah motivational type..nothing wrong with that. I also think players respond better to coaches that get just as fired up as they do instead of a coach that just stands there and talks quietly. I think people are going to both extremes with Freddie, analyzing everything ad nauseam. Hasn't even had a TC yet or coached a single snap and people anointing him the next big thing. I get everyone trusts Dorsey, but one thing JD has never done was hire coaches. I am pumped for the team and talent, but I'm reserved about the coaching staff, its not ground breaking. Lets hope FC is more McVay than he is Gase
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That didn't sound like a shot at GW, more like speaking in general.
I do agree with Freddie about the importance of teaching in this game. It's not so much what the coach knows as much as what they can teach the players.
Not that it means anything in the long run, but when talking about Tosh Lupoi, he was praising his aggressive, get in your face style of coaching. Then when he was talking about Dwayne Walker's quiet, measured approach, he made the off-hand comment about loud coaches sometimes covering inadequacies. I don't think he realized those were contradictory. Both coaches have their own style, and both are legitimate approaches. Like everyone else in the world, different players respond to different styles of coaching. Having multiple coaching styles can mean more chances of meaningful connections between players and coaches.
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Bill Cowher and Tom Landry were two excellent coaches w/radically different approaches. Freddie got the "teaching" thing right, but coaches can be either loud or quiet. They just have to be true to themselves.
As a player, I always liked the passionate guys who would get us fired up and I was fine w/getting chewed out. I had one coach in particular that would scream at me w/spittle flying all over and say things like "Vers [not my real name...lol] they can't f... stop you. Kick their ass!" It would get me pumped up. There were other times he would chew me out and say things like "What the hell was your dumb ass thinking breaking that run outside?" I was okay w/it. There were no safe spaces back then. LOL
I thought it was supposed to be about what Baker needed to do to improve. He did talk about the 14 turnovers and not forcing the ball. But then he got into this other stuff.
I was just not buying all the teams gunning for us. Like more emotion wins games. This not college. Players play to get paid. To get paid you have to perform. Every snap is on film. You get micro managed. Every contract is measured by the value provided.
When the game starts players try to play as they were coached to play all week. "Do your job."
When the season begins this year we will be as good as the team is as a whole. From the head coach to number the 53 guy on the roster.
Not only that, but there are teams that might resent all the hype the Browns are getting w/out proving anything on the field. Hell, ESPN and NFL Network pimp them almost daily. There might be teams trying extra hard to stifle that talk.
In other words, ish just got real. Time to see how we're made.
Yep. We have the talent to be a fantastic team. All we have to do now is actually do it. I think we can, but we best be up for the challenge. We are walking on entirely new ground.
Three years ago when Cody Kessler was named our starting quarterback going into the 2016 season. If someone would have told me what the Browns would look like going into the 2019 season and it would look like this team today.
I would have said no ffing way.
To be looking at this coming season with all the expectations. Wow. I am loving it. Bring it on. As opposed to going into the season hoping for 4 wins.
Buying a lottery ticket is sometimes worth it. Just to think about what winning it would bring.
I don't know what will happen this season. But I do know we have a realistic chance to win the division.
Just that alone as a fan makes the season exciting.
We can go into any game this coming season knowing we can compete.
When Sunday came around for "years" it was "how bad is it going to be today?"
Back in the 07 season, I remember commenting that I never felt that a game was out of reach, what with DA slinging it all over the place. I felt that way last year after Baker took over (well, except for the KC game, the only one I saw in person).
And that was with 2/3 of the team we have now.
If we go 4-2 in our division, I believe we'll have tickets to the tournament. Get in there, and anything could happen.
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