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An Alabama woman was indicted for manslaughter after she was shot and her unborn child died because a grand jury said she initiated the confrontation, according to AL.com.

Marshae Jones of Birmingham was five months pregnant when Ebony Jemison shot her in the stomach in December 2018. Jemison was charged with manslaughter by police, but the grand jury did not indict her, leading to the dismissal of the charges, AL.com reported.


Pleasant Grove Police Lt. Danny Reid argued Jemison had merely defended herself after Jones initiated the fight.

"Let’s not lose sight that the unborn baby is the victim here,’’ he said, according to the publication. “She had no choice in being brought unnecessarily into a fight where she was relying on her mother for protection."

The indictment comes shortly after a restrictive anti-abortion law passed in Alabama put a national spotlight on the state, although Jones was not charged under the law, which does not take effect until November.

I find this one interesting.

If I am concealing a gun while instigating a fight, and the other guy, in a fit of rage pulls out a knife, if I then draw my gun and kill him, I am guilty of at least manslaughter in most states. It is my responsibility by law to attempt to diffuse the situation because I am of the knowledge I have the power to kill the opponent.

I do however feel for this woman. She is caught up in state law.

i get charging her with assault, as the other women who shot was defending herself.

but to get charged with manslaughter? thats trash, and a huge example of why Alabamistan is ranked damn near dead last in every ranking that matters.

Unless it was duel ... i’m not sure how she should have known the fight was going to lead to her being shot in the stomach ....

Where is Peen ... this is some redneck BS logic right here ... *L* ...

She gets shot ... her unborn baby gets shot and killed and somehow she ends up in prison ... yup ... redneck BS logic at its finest ... *L* ...

However, if I was her defense attorney, I would claim she did not directly kill the child because Miscarriage is a medical thang.

Nobody should’ve been charged with manslaughter in this case. I actually agree with Diam. Unless they were on some “meet me at high noon” stuff, this was assault and self defense that just went terribly wrong.

But I think I remember cases of a drunk driver hitting another car, killing the pregnant mother in that car and being charged with manslaughter of the mother and a second charge of manslaughter of the child.

Many states are holding someone responsible for the life or death of the unborn child.

Mainly because of the drunk driving angle though. Getting charged for manslaughter because the prosecutors described it as a miscarriage is some dangerous precedent.

This is a prime example of what's wrong with extremism. But don't get me wrong. It exists on both sides.

Well in the end, being arrested and being charged means nothing.

It will be her day in court that determines the outcome.

I agree. But man, Alabama seems to find new ways to one up themselves.

It's certainly a prime example of how far the right would take things if left unchecked.

Yeah just imagine if Alabama was a border state. They’d separate families and starve children to death then charge the parents with their murders.

That makes sense ....

In this case ... if they charged the shooter with manslaughter it would make sense ... charging the mother ... ...

Well I guess they feel the mother started the assault that lead to her child's death. The shooter was defending herself from the mother.

The Law is holding someone responsible for the death of the unborn child, the shooter shot the mother, not the child.

And there it is.

no, that was a typing error. look again.

I quoted what you posted. Not the afterthought.

Well I guess your gotcha moment will have to wait for another day.

Yeah, changing the entire meaning of what you posted was a typing error. People know better.

no, my post says what I mean and means what I say.

Now your just arguing for the sake of arguing .... your logic here is right in step with the TDS’ers ... u sure thats territory u wanna venture in to ...

I don't think so as I am looking at why the law says what it says and how they are applying it to this case.

I find it interesting. I have no dog in this hunt.

What? Where did it say that the pregnant lady was carrying a gun or knife... Did I miss that?

Yeah you missed 40cent trying to spin a whole different scenario to fit his agenda. lol

WHy the hell would he do that.. did he think someone wouldn't catch it? Geez

Read it again and see how the law applies in the case of the woman who caused the problem and how state law works when it comes to a concealed carrier. They are the same.

Someone is responsible for starting the problem.
Someone is responsible for escalating the problem.

That person is held responsible in both cases.

The woman who knew she was pregnant started the attack and escalated the attack until she was shot.

The concealed carrier knew he had the power to kill someone yet escalated, if not started the fight.

The woman is therefore responsible for her child's death.
The concealed carrier is therefore responsible for allowing the situation to escalate to the point of his having to shoot to defend his life.

The woman should have walked away.
The carrier should have walked away.

To me, that Law is why she was charged.

You don’t give two shakes about the law. Only care about the law when it fits in your agenda like a troll always does.

Just freakin show me where it said the pregnant woman was carrying a gun or knife..

Don't sugar coat it,, the law in that state is beastly and regardless of her actions, she shouldn't have gotten shot and the shooter shouldn't go free or at least at this point, charged.

I seen no reason for you to embellish the story.

I also have to ask, what if it was a white girl that got shot... what would they do then?

Ok, I won't sugar coat it...

It doesn't say the pregnant woman was carrying a gun or knife and I never said she was.

Somehow what I am saying is not getting through so we best just let this one go.

Your words

I find this one interesting.

If I am concealing a gun while instigating a fight, and the other guy, in a fit of rage pulls out a knife, if I then draw my gun and kill him, I am guilty of at least manslaughter in most states. It is my responsibility by law to attempt to diffuse the situation because I am of the knowledge I have the power to kill the opponent.


In bold.,. see it,, you embellished., You did that to throw off the meaning of the story...

That's what all Trump supporters do....

Uh, "I" does not refer to the pregnant woman, it refers to "Me".

Have a nice day.

If she would have just aborted it the courts would have given her a standing ovation instead.

That might have beaten the option of someone else killing it and her going to prison for it.

If they won't put her in jail for abortion then they shouldn't put her in jail causing her babies death. Of course then they also shouldn't put her in jail for smothering her kid 30 min. after it was born.

So I guess once you choose to carry a pregnancy full term the circumstances are the same?

You know me bro. I think the circumstances are the same once a woman gets preggers.

I know you do.

Swish, I agree that this just doesn't feel right. The woman screwed up badly by starting the fight and lost her baby as a result, that seems like punishment enough to me (well, maybe a minor assault charge).... but according to the law, if the other woman was at fault and the lady lost the child as a result, the other woman could/would be charged with manslaughter.... so in the eyes of the law do we change the value of the unborn child based on who started the fight?

i have no idea how to answer that. its beyond confusing, and frustrating to say the least.