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Responding to Swish and Pit from the original thread:

I heard a pundit on tv today say that even though she doesn't want to vote for Trump again, she needs Dems to show her something to hold onto... She's a republican telling dems to run somebody more republican so she has a choice.

You know damn good and well people like her are voting for Trump! They just don't want to publically own it.

Debate 2 thread is now locked...let's discuss here.

Seriously, I do think Kamala could debate Trump and not be intimidated by his bully/attack dog style. Watching her go at Biden last night and then proceed to eat him for lunch (I know, he isn't Trump, but still) she has it in her not to shy away and can probably stand toe to toe with Trump when the gloves come off.

Can Pete? Can Yang? Can Castro? Can Biden? etc.

We know Sanders can, but again...I think his time has come and gone. Warren to me is the female version of Sanders. She too could probably debate well against him, but I think Kamala has more durability & strength to stay standing and to deliver some heavier and stronger counter punches.

Thoughts?

Sorry OCD for starting a thread probably at the same time as you.

not locked

oops we did start it at exactly the same time.

I meant the Dem Bigwigs thread we were all discussing in. I started this one at the same time as yours. I guess we can let them both play out as I am asking a specific question about the candidates re: going toe to toe w/Trump. We know how he will debate, we know he won't hold back and the Dems need somebody who can take the blows and deliver serious counter punches back.

I think it's fair to say Marianne Williamson isn't that person. But, she is the extreme there are plenty of the 20 we saw who also are not that person. I think Kamala can be.

After reading the previous threads I’m really surprised by the number of people who think Mayor Pete has any chance of being elected in this country. I guess we all are really blind to any environment that doesn’t affect us personally. We hear that a great deal from other minorities, but some people seem to turn a blind eye to the fact that it’s still very acceptable to degrade and demean gay people publicly. Even on the light versions of social media people still find it completely acceptable to display open hate. They are a little more ashamed to attack other minorities.

They have the luxury of using religion to justify their hate and disgust. I travel the country, as I’ve shared before. There are places that I would not dare give any personal information about my life for career and safety reasons.

Perhaps some of you also missed this recent study:


https://www.newsweek.com/young-people-comfortable-lgbt-poll-1445435


FEWER MILLENNIALS ACCEPTING OF LGBTQ PEOPLE, STUDY FINDS


Young people are often assumed to be progressive, especially when it comes to gay rights. But a new study reveals that acceptance of the LGBTQ community by adults 18 to 34 is falling.

A new Harris Poll commissioned by GLAAD found that 36 percent of respondents in that demographic reported they'd be "very" or "somewhat" uncomfortable learning a family member was LGBTQ. That's up from 29 percent who said the same in 2018.

According to the 2019 Accelerating Acceptance Index, 39 percent would be unsettled by their child learning about LGBTQ history in school, compared to just 30 percent in 2018. And finding out their doctor was LGBTQ made a third (34 percent) uncomfortable—an uptick from 27 percent last year.

"The younger generation has traditionally been thought of as a beacon of progressive values," GLAAD President and CEO Sarah Kate Ellis said in a statement. "We have taken that idea for granted."

A surprising percentage of Americans 18 to 34 said they'd be uncomfortable learning a family member, doctor or teacher was LGBTQ.

Conducted online earlier this year, the poll quizzed 1,970 U.S. adults on their comfort level with seven theoretical situations: Learning a family member is LGBTQ, learning their doctor is LGBTQ, having LGBTQ members at their place of worship, seeing a LGBTQ co-worker's wedding picture, having their child placed in a class with a LGBTQ teacher, seeing a same-sex couple holding hands, and learning their child was learning LGBTQ history in school.

The number of young Americans who were comfortable across all seven situations dropped from 53 percent in 2018 to 45 percent this year, the second consecutive dip for the age bracket.

Harris Poll CEO John Gerzema admitted surveys typically show younger people advocating for issues like immigration reform, gender equality and climate change. "So it's surprising to see a notable erosion of acceptance for the LTBTQ community, which counters many of the assumptions we make about their values and beliefs," Gerzema said in a statement. "In this toxic age, tolerance––even among youth––now seems to be parsed out. Nothing today should be taken for granted."

Some 43 percent of young males said they'd be uncomfortable learning a family member is LGBTQ (up from 32% in 2018). But, GLAAD reports, the more significant erosion is being driven by women 18-34, whose overall comfort levels fell from 64 percent last year to just 52 percent in 2019.

It's not entirely clear what's fueling the downturn, but Ellis believes, "the sharp and quick rise in divisive rhetoric in politics and culture" is poisoning younger minds. President Trump has routinely targeted LGBTQ Americans since taking office—from supporting adoption agencies that deny gay couples to suggesting trans people "take massive amounts of drugs" as a rationale for barring them from military service.

I will try to explain how I see this as best as I can.

I think that most people don't care, until it's shoved in their face. For example, all of my kids had to go through some sort of acceptance training in school. My son's best friend is a lesbian that was in ROTC with him and joined the Marines. She's more than welcome in our house, and calls my wife, 'mom'. We have no problem with her.

A friend of mine from high school figured out he was gay in his 30s. He still shows up at gatherings of our group friends with his boyfriend, and no one cares. He's treated like anyone else in the group.

I think the problem actually come in when the gay community seeks special rights or treatment. I also believe the sex education they try to teach kids in school is too extreme for a lot of them. I think people also have problems with special pronouns. Personally, I can't tell if someone in transition is trying to be a man, woman, or something in between. If I use the wrong one, just correct me. Don't raise hell about it.

I honestly believe people are born the way they are, and I'll accept them as they accept me. It's not like I ever decided I was straight. I just am.

assumed to be progressive isn't the same as actually being progressive.

that 34-39% range doesn't seem all that surprising, seeing as though thats about the conservative hardcore base of trump, who tend to be what? religious right leaning/right wing voters.

and your comments sounded the same way when obama was running. i remember being deployed and even the guys who were gonna vote for obama going "man, im going to vote but aint no way a black man will be president". kept hearing from the 40's of the old board how the country wasn't ready for a black guy.

and yet, not only did he win, he got re-elected.

the harsher reality is that there's a good chance the country would elect a gay man before they elect a woman.

Excellent point. Thank you Jules.

We will see. I don’t agree you on this at all, though. I believed that Obama would be elected. The time had come, and my vibe on it from the people I came in to contact with is that they were open and ready for him to be president. Nothing I see or feel gives me the slightest hope for Pete outside of the primaries.

I am beginning to think that Millenials will end up being a politically conservative group.

I see the lineup has been set for the next Democratic debate:

J. Stalin
L. Trotsky
V. Lenin
F. Castro
C. Guevara

A bit like boomers? Reagan x 2, Bush x 3, Trump etc.

We could even argue that both Clintons were center moderate....far from the left and essentially the white liberals that Jordan Peele was making fun of in his excellent film, 'Get Out'. Same with Biden.

time will tell, if he even makes it on the ticket, that is.

The Bushes were not conservative.

The Country is not yet ready for a Gay President.

The Country has only recently become ready for a woman president.

OK!

Well, if your conservative is Trump, David Duke or any other extreme far right person then sure, I guess the Bush's were not conservative.

David Duke? Why mention him, he is not conservative.

TDS

jc

I have the exact opposite experience with millenials.

Maybe its just gamers, but a large percentage of the young people on my games are lgbt. Its quite trendy. There isnt any "gay bashing" or whatever. If anyone was offensive towards them it would be reported immediately to staff.

If anything, our game community young people are slanted against religious people.

This may not reflect real life opinions, but in general online communities that I've experienced seem pretty inclusive.

I agree. I was just replying to his comment regarding millennials and wanted to mention that the 60s youth helped usher in Reagan, Bush, Trump and even many of those boomers who consider themselves "liberal" air more on the side of center moderate Clinton and Biden DNC faves.

Well, he damnsho ain't leanin' left.

What would you call him?

Crazy.
It would be like calling Farrakhan a liberal.

Well they should give Hitler and Himmler a run for their money then.

Because Trump thinks like David Duke? or maybe because Trump thinks there are good people on both sides when the Nazis, Klan, and Proud Boys roll into town?

I think that's tech circles all together. But I find it odd that women have to struggle to be considered equals in the gaming and tech world. That baffles me. Anyone who learns and tries can code. And techies (the majority) aren't known for their athleticism or machismo so this sexism seems to come out of nowhere IMHO.

Good point. But I would compare Trump's rhetoric and bigotry to Farrakhan's and consider them much alike but on opposite sides.

Comparing Trump to Farrakhan is a sign of insanity.

Hardly. Almost everything Trump does or says is controversial. He often shows hateful tendencies, bigoted tendencies, and comes of as a white supremacist. Farrakhan is controversial, with hateful tendencies, bigoted tendencies, and comes off as a black/Muslim supremacist. Either will say or do about anything to further their cause. Both are xenophobes. Trump hates Muslims the same as Farrakhan hates Jews. They are very much the same, only one seems a little smarter.

If Trump had had a full time political platform outside of politics prior to becoming president, he would have been just another Alex Jones/Rush Limbaugh with a big ol' dash of David Duke. And he would have been deplatformed by social media. Prove me wrong.

this def made me laugh.

One of the two can also play the violin.
One of the two struggles to read the word violin.

Wonder which is who.

Yep. It used to be that geeks didn't like to be around women because they made them nervous or they struggled to interact. Now geeks are empowered because they are seen as good earners, more intelligent, and tech has become centric to modern lifestyles; yet they shun women who want to work/play with them! WTH? smh

I feel this probably not isolated to IT.

I don't get it.

So, 2 weeks ago, I was looking at an old vid of the London Phil being guest conducted by Leonard Bernstein. Judging from the cut of tuxes and hairstyles, I'd guess early 70's. I must have been 2-3 minutes into the vid before I realized what was so strange: not a single woman in the group. I remember hearing about this when I was still in school, but had long forgotten about it because of the way my experiences played out.

I've been lucky enough to work in a truly co-ed environment my entire career. The Ladies make everything better. They're bright, funny, engaging.... and all of them play they natural azzes off. They all earned their spots, and hold down their responsibilities like the pros they are. I love working with them. They be fun AH. They like working with me, too... because I keep it light, never mess with them, and am always the gentleman My Mom raised me to be.

I simply don't get why girls are such a problem for some dudes. Even the gay guys I know like hanging out with women. It's definitely a super-specific subset, that's for sure.

Here's an example of why I still love going to work. People like this make me smile.
a colleage of mine

Women rock. Plain and simple. I hope the best person for the Presidency is a woman. I think she is and I really look forward to the day that she takes over.

I must say Bernie's new image looks and sounds better

A chicken with every pound of pot.

Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are.

How could I prove your opinion wrong? It is an opinion. A dumb one, but only an opinion.