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Scottish Hammer-J Gillian uses rugby style punt, normal punting, and occasionally runs...do you think this style has chance in today's NFL. Seems with more teams going to 2 pt conversion, tons of passing, the run/pass option offensives...wonder if special teams is next using rugby style more often...stealing an extra series couple times a game would help...yet gambling element of running sideways...I hope we give it a good shot in exhibition games just to see how teams adapt....and the kids got a cannon...why not? Go Browns!!!

I doubt he makes the team. If he has a chance for success, I'm thinking it'll be somewhere else. JMHO

It (He) will succeed if he can do the basic things that are needed of him, first and foremost.

Any additional things he brings to the table won't come into play at all if he cannot perform the kicks he needs to with the accuracy & consistency required.

IF he can get there, then and only then do the other parts become a factor - and yes, then that opens some doors.

I've seen so many plays blow up on these rugby style kickers that I think you just add too much risk into the game with them. A punter whose adept at placing the ball on the numbers downfield, or coffin-corner ability, with consistency, is much more valuable.


Colquitt is excellent at these things, besides booming hang time.

You brought up the point that bugs me, risk...but, if he can control where he kicks it when having moved sideways- takes away any return...ie tacklers go to right or left side waiting for kick...plus, he could run it. Kitchens isn't above trying new things...Landry running up the middle....I want to see this guy get a shot in exhibition games....AND real experiment against our own team....think it could work....Go Browns!!!

I hope to see him in some creative ways in preseason as well. However, like others have said, I doubt he makes the team. Besides, after doing some reading of articles posted in other threads mentioning him, I guess he doesn't have much - if any - experience holding. Does that mean Stanton would hold for the place kicker if we keep the Scottish Hammer?

Maybe he'd hold, got to have other holders- backup QBs have great hands- if the Hammer kicks it well AND we cover well during his kicks I see no reason why he can't make the team...our current punter would be worth something in trade....GO Browns!!!

I think he might do fine. Seems capable of brutish distance. Not certain about finessing punt to down inside 30. Hope he helps us out!

Colquitt is expensive, but he is experienced. I think we keep him.

Offensively and Defensively, on paper, we know we all look good. I think the question still remains on how good our ST's will be. It has to be better than last year, however.

Wonder IF money could play a role, C isn't getting any younger either. Not saying the Hammer will beat him out, but hope Kitchen's does allow it to be a competition will all angles looked at- money, age, NET punting average, could we steal extra possessions, etc.- could be interesting contest- especially if the Hammer gets an unexpected first down...or has good field position outcome....GO Browns!!!

practice squad for the future

I think the kid can make the team, but as some others said, he probably won't.

I base that on teams don't go with a new kicker unless their kicker stinks or his skills are diminished.

I'd like to see him make the team.

I wonder if he can drop kick. Flutie was the last person to do it in a game on Jan 1, 2006, before then it had not been done since 1941.

He played rugby. I bet he can drop kick as you see it often in rugby matches.

I think he can kick and punt with more than enough leg to make the team. I really like this kid, his story, and his attitude.



He can run the ball too!



His Pro Day.



I'm rooting for him. But he is still a little rough around the edges.

They'll decide at TC. The winner of our punting competition will identify himself. I'd take experience over the unknown, however.

Love the kid, love the story, and he can flat-out (literally) destroy a football. I know it's kinda lame, since we have such a proven commodity in Colquitt, but I'm pulling for Jamie to get the job. What he may lack in experience and precision, he makes up for in upside, brute strength, swag and and versatility.

We all get replaced- he's cheaper, younger, has lots more upside- can he handle the pressure- has he kicked in cold. No one knew what Brady would do in game, or Manning- I'm not saying he compares, ya don't know until they try it. Hope he gets fair shot and best man wins. Thanks guys for all the videos- Go Browns!!! How soon does training camp begin. Answer- not soon enough!!!! We finally have GREAT potential!!!

I think it would be devastating to line up for a punt and have him drop kick for 3. The entire league would be in the hunt for his like.

^^^^ This could be what decides it. Plus, Dorsey brought him in.

Same with the kicker we drafted. Dorsey brought in Joseph simply because he had to, but he used a draft pick for the Sooner kid. That competition will also be interesting.

Kickers! Who Cares. Make the Kick! Field goals,

The Browns missed WAY too many field goals last year, and they didn't seem to bring anyone in that has a high probability of replacing the kicker that didn't get it done last year.

Make the Field Goals, and don't trot out the same guy who we know misses/ or missed too many, last year!

So Far the Browns get an F for addressing the bad kicking game from last year, not the best offseason addressing of it, in this part of the team.

If somebody missed 4 FG's a year, that's about the limit
If somebody misses more than 1 FG a game that's about the limit
If somebody misses 3 in a game and clearly costs a victory, then go find somebody else.

If the team clearly isn't trying, or everyone knows they shouldn't be trying, from some range because everyone knows the kicker can't make from that range, then that's a problem too.

So if last years kicker, returning, is the best option they've got, then the Browns don't have a reliable kicker.

Other NFL teams can replace a kicker, without using a draft pick, there are only 32 NFL kicking jobs, if the team hasn't brought in legitimate competition for guy who missed 3 kicks vs the Saint, and a crucial one vs the Ravens late in the year, along with others here and there,

If they haven't brought in legit competition, then it's a failing on the teams part.

And if Scottish Hammer has to take 3 steps to his right, or 3 to his left before he can punt,or kick,

it's going to lead to blocked kicks/punts, it's going to lead to turnovers,

Gimmicks don't work in the NFL, if you make the gimmick your standard.

He doesn't have to, he's dedicated to, and much prefers, the standard protocol. The natural asset is that he can if he needs to.

I care because there were a couple games we should have won last year if we had a more reliable kicker. When we brought in Joseph I NEVER felt confident when he went out there. To be fair, he had never kicked in real competition and certainly not in CLE by the lake. But still, I always felt it could go horribly wrong. Hopefully he has stayed in CLE all winter and practiced. The kid they brought up may be good, but he hasn't kicked in CLE in Dec (or Jan!). Imagine a playoff game coming down to a FG. Who do you want kicking? If you can't answer immediately with a name that is on our roster, well...that's exactly my point.

JMHO- your point about Browns not bringing in competition- duh?
Use a draft pick on kicker, rated best in college by some, bring in punter- the Hammer, to compete with older Pro bowl punter...what do you mean no competition......don't know what you'd expect, again, I love the FACT no one gets a pass- except QB- we've brought in O, D lineman to compete, LBs to compete, DBs to compete- IF anyone sits on their PAST production, could see the street. Love the Special teams emphasis and competition....go Browns!!!

"Kickers Who cares." I said.


So you are agreeing with me. Kicker isn't anything anyone should be thinking about.

When the kicker goes out for the Field Goal, He makes the kick! Period!

If Not, Find one who does! That's it! It's not anything anyone should be caring about, it should be a given, an understood, it should be the "rule" that they make it, and the "exception" when they don't.

What you posted, is exactly what I'm trying to say.
They need, (needed), to get this figured out, it should be a thing nobody has to think about.

Last season 73 games were decided by 3 points or less.

Average yards per offensive drive in the NFL last season was led by Kansas City with an average of 41.53. The lowest average was Arizona at an average of 32.31 yards per drive.

Kickers mean a lot. Both from the perspective of FG's and field position. So you can stop with the nonsense any time now.

You too seem to not get the point, you are making the same point I am.

The point is, when you start to think about whether or not your kicker is going to make the kick, it's time to make a change at kicker. Thus.

It should be nothing you have to think about, Get it done.

Agree we need to improve in kicking- ESPN NFL kicking stats had us tied with Cinc- both sucked, Pit- worst than us, and RBirds near the best....so, yes, we need better kicking, hope our draft pick works out....and hope our punting competition helps the team...GO Browns!!!!

Gotcha. I read your initial post wrong, but that makes sense. It's all good.

Throw Long is bang-on with this topic.

I have no clue what that means when it pertains to Throw .. no clue ... *L* ...

I hope the hammer replaces Colquitt cause he’s better ... were built to win NOW as in RIGHT NOW ... WINDOW IS WIDE FRICKIN OPEN ... with that in mind I don’t see this mgmt. team keeping the hammer if he isn’t at least right there with Colquitt ...

It’s a new day dawgs ... THE FUTURE HAS ARRIVED ... after 20 long years ending with streaks of 1 - 31 and 4 - 44 .... dawgs ...

TOMORROW IS FINALLY HERE ...

And the Hammer can be a part of that future. I don't see experience at the punting position as a big advantage as it might be with a field goal kicker. There isn't as much pressure in punting the ball as there is in kicking a field goal.

Keep the kid. He can go through the window as easily as Colquitt.

I’d like to see if his “release” is quick enough and see if he can coffin kick like Colquitt ... i’d Actually like to see him do it in an nfl pre-season game and live TC action first ..

The rugby dudes all have awesome legs ... they can kick the crap out of the ball ... you’d see a lot more of them in the nfl if they didn’t take so long to get it off ...

For most when they speed up their “release” time they lose a lot of their “leg” ... the few that can get it off quick enough and don’t lose much are awesome punters and don’t really use the coffin corner kicks ... they drop it onto their foot different and are great at just killing the ball when it lands ...

IF dude can be like them ... he’s more than likely gonna be at least as good as Colquitt and can be a younger less expensive and just as good version of Colquitt .... the jobs his ...

I’d like to actually see it first .. but thats just me bro ...

I wonder if down the road he would have the potential to be a dual role kicker, punt and field goal/place kicker? can’t you drop kick for a fg or point after??

No doubt it has to play out. If the Hammer gets kicks blocked beyond normal, that isn't going to work. Analytics will tell us if that is the case.

I just see tremendous potential Again, I just don't see the experience factor at the punter position as a big deal and wouldn't want that to be the deciding factor at that position.

I don't know, but in looking at some of the film, it isn't out of the question.

60 yard drop kick...are you kidding me?

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I walked right into that one ... touché my friend .. *L* ..

That was good bro ... thanks for the *L* ...