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Only Duke knows why he fired his agent. Maybe he felt she wasn't trying hard enough to find a trade partner. Maybe he just didn't like her anymore.

I noted the writer said something about the comments Baker made and the team hopes it blows over by camp.

Breaking News: It already has.

It's quite possible that Duke didn't like the comments his agent's husband made.

Very likely...

It's possible, but I don't think that would be the most likely reason or even in the top 2 or 3.

It seems far more likely to me that you would change agents because you do not feel that your current representation is helping to facilitate the wishes you have in the direction you are looking for your career to go.

I have no idea why he fired his agent and I am only speculating.

I agree w/you that him being unhappy w/the agent for not getting a deal done is very likely.

I could also see that maybe Duke has changed his mind and now just wants to mend the fences. I think this is far less likely than him being happy w/the lack of results, but it's an option.

I think both are more likely than Duke being upset w/the husband's comments.

But again, that's just my take on it. Pure speculation.

Doubt it has anything to do with Uncle luke, as he's well respected by those who has history with the 'U'.

I of course don't know more than anyone else, but I feel like its bc a deal wasn't done, and hes still anxious to get out of Cleveland. However, it could be the opposite of that as well.

I'm hoping my boy Hollywood had a heart to heart with him during that bowling event Hollywood had. But I know if they did, at the end of it, he probably also said 'do whats best for you.'

One would think Duke smart enough to know agents can't make deals happen unless teams want deals to happen. I am sure registered agents get the number to the GM's of every team, or at minimum their secretary, office manager, whatever you want to call it. I would hope she called all the teams looking for a buyer. She may have even gotten Dorsey to throw out a draft slot where he would be willing to go if she could find a deal..that is how many of those trade demand deals go...GM states a price to the agent to let them do the work of finding a buyer. Agent comes back and says this team has interest at this price. Now Dorsey knows who has interest and makes the call to that teams GM to see if adding a player here or there, or a draft pick here or there might produce a deal, maybe a bigger deal.

That said, I don't know why he fired the agent, but if it is because he hasn't been traded yet, either he has information a deal can be made and his agent is inept, or he is clueless on how things work.

While this is only guesswork on the part of everyone including myself, my guess would be that he felt his agent wasn't applying her due diligence.

Maybe he didn't like her loudmouth punk of a husband inserting himself into his business.

I'm betting that she farted in the car and tried to blame it on him.

I’m guessing she was right, he did fart, but he feels he’s paying her to take responsibility for it.

It's about to get real, now.

That's a win-win for Duke and the Browns.

Agreed.

Unsure of the technicalities, but it looks like (at some point) we'll get to see what Hilliard has that keeps the coaches enthused.

He wants to play, be on the field. He was frustrated last season when he wasn't getting the touches, I remember against Oakland, he had a nice gain on a catch and run down the left sideline, when he got ridden out of bounds he threw the ball hard, I think he was saying USE ME!! I MAKE PLAYS!!

It's not just about money with some players. They want to play football, too.

Rosenhaus?? why do I just think.

It's settled he's going to Philadelphia now.

I am sorry, but I didn't see a quote from Duke in that article.

And no current players been on the Browns longer than Duke.
Ehh: Maybe but you'll have to think about it.

Alrighty then.

What Duke has said is that when the Browns sought to trade him (after signing Hunt), that violated the trust he had with the team. With that trust gone, he wants out.

Of course we can all speculate what might else be going on, and there may well be more to it than that. But the man says it's about trust and loyalty.

This is a shame ... he has a place on this team for at least the first 8 games ...

he’s clearly going to force the issue now ... extremely high probability he holds out ... thats Drew’s mo ...

He has way more value to us than he does on the trade market ... i get what he’s doing but this really stinks ... STUPID DUKE!!!

Considering Jordan Howard, a pro bowl RB, was recently traded for a future (not the current year but the following year) 6th round pick, a 3rd round pick for Duke would be beyond a good deal.

the 5th sounds about right.

A good deal? I think a 4th is what we expect. We've probably been asking for a third, or valuing him as such in a trade scenario. A 4th will get it done eventually... from the Browns prospective, why hurry? Even if he refuses to play, a better offer becomes likely closer to the deadline if it's not there today.

I'm starting to consider the fact the Duke may become the poster child for how the Browns will handle this going forward. If Duke shows up, does his job, he'll be traded for a 4th or 5th, probably to a decent situation. If he holds out or doesn't give the effort - he'll sit 'til Halloween and go to the highest bidder.

Not a shot in heck we get a 4th for him much less a 3rd ... we’ll be lucky to get a 5th ...

There’s not much of a market for RB’s much less basically a 3rd down back ...

Maybe a disgruntled player ... only way we get even a decent player for him is to throw in a draft pick along with the Duke ...

This isn’t going to end well ... will be interesting to see if we just give him away to get rid of the distraction or hold our guns and let him sit out for as long as he desires .....

Tick tock ...

Why do u think he’s worth a 5th much less a 4th? ....

Sheesh .... i think we got VG for a 3rd ...

Dukes a role player ... 3rd down back .... 10 - 12 touches in a game at most ... sometimes he may not even got 5 in a game ... he’ll average 7 or 8 touches a game at most ...

Whose his market? ...

- none of the teams in our division

- afc east .... dolphins maybe ... they need way more than Duke though ... no way do they give up much for him right now ..

- afc South ... whose j-ville’s 3rd down back? ... maybe there ...

- afc west ... maybe Oakland? ... not sure who there 3rd down dude is ...

NFC west - Cardinals could be a fit ... there re-building like miami .. why would they give up any pick for Duke where there at in the process ..

NFC South - TB maybe but i doubt there gonna give up on dude from USC they drafted high last year just quite yet ... not sure what the panthers have behind McCaffery ... that may be a decent fit ...

Nfc north - whats minni now got behind cook .. maybe there ...

NFC east - giants need someone behind Bark ... cowboys the same ...

Thats about it ... not much of a market ...

The’s a flip side to the contract numbers mac ... his contract may prohibit some teams from wanting him ... ...

Three reasons really.

Posture. Dorsey has it and is not playing from a point of desperation. He doesn't need Duke and he's under contract. He'll frankly laugh at any low-ball offer. Team posture is "you're Brown and Orange or you don't matter"... led by a QB that wears the colors on his sleeve. Duke is clearly on the outside looking in.

Time. There is no hurry. Chubb, Hilliard and a dynamic offense is what made him expendable in the first place. There's sixteen weeks til the trade deadline. A trade partner will rear it's head. If they don't and you settle for a crap pick anyway? Nothing lost. Time is your friend.

Upside. Nobody has ever seen Duke's, we can paint it that way because it's the truth. Dorsey doesn't even have to be embarrassed to admit it. Duke is a very talented player, some may say playmaker. He's gone from underutilized on a crappy offense to underappreciated when the offense finally found it's legs. His numbers are darn-near elite despite the small sample size. There's never really been anything but the "eye test" to dictate that he's a third down back. No injuries, no "can't shoulder the load", hell, he's never been given the opportunity. Now Dorsey can paint it as an "embarrassment of riches" that made this all possible.
"My loss is your gain, but you ain't getting him for free".


I can't name teams now, there are none that stand out, that's why it's better to wait. If we wait it out close to the deadline, there will be plenty of 4-3, 3-4, even 5-2 teams that believe they are one dynamic offensive player away from a playoff run. There will be plenty others thin at RB because of injuries. We'll also have a different roster and injuries of our own we're dealing with. A trade for a player, to fill a need, will have greater value than any 5th or 6th... that's just a draft slot and a crap shoot for building a better future. If we discover, in fact, that the future is actually NOW, filling an injury void or finding a missing piece would probably be considered better value than any draft pick anyway.

I agree. He is making a lot of money for the touches he gets.

Not one thing u said has anything to do with Dukes VALUE ...

I’ll address what u did say ... witch was when it comes to trading duke we basically control ll the cards as far as when it happens ...

So your premise is we hold all the cards and can wait as long as we want hoping for a TC injury .... or do u think there’s another reason someone will suddenly be willing to u;p their price? ...

KJ and Freddie seem ashonest as the day is long ... so if the plan is to wait ... i’m sure they told Duke that ... so why did he go hire Drew to force something? ...

U hire Drew to FORCE SOMETHING ... if the plan was to wait and if we got no better offers he’ll be gone ... then why hire drew? ...

But again .. u did not say one thing about DUKES VALUE ... u made a case for why were waiting ...

I see no way he’s worth a 3rd ... or a 4th ... if we get a 5th ... i’ll Be THRILLED and SHOCKED ...

I stated my case to value ... u stated your case basically as us holding all the cards and neary a word about value ...

And bro ... w/o knowing the landing spots your talking in very broad terms ... his value is directly related to how bad a team needs his skill set ... u need to discuss potential landing spots IMO or its not much of a convo ...

BONE u care to adress the value issue? ...

I think we might get better value trading Duke in a player for player trade rather than for a draft pick/

I think the best fit for Duke would be with KC. His skill set would fit great into that offense and the Cheifs can use help replacing Hunt and possibly Hill.

I don't know who KC could offer in trade for Duke but if any of you suggest Cam Irving I will track you down and smack you

I think a players value is what the market dictates it is. I think that value is also set in large part by what a player can and has produced.

Now there are those who feel that every HC who has been here, including Freddie it would appear, didn't use Duke enough or that he should have played a bigger role. Yet none of the three HC's or OC's who have been here since 2015 have seen it that way.

So unless and until someone can show where a team has ponied up above a fifth round pick or better for a situational 3rd down RB, I think they're just blowing hot air and overvaluing one of our own which we have often seen happen around here often in the past.

I don't get it. Actually I guess I kinda do.

Dorsey made a move by adding Hunt with the hope that it would improve the team. Say what you will, but that's his job.

I'm a little disappointed that Duke would take that stance.. Maybe it's a combination of things.. His lack of usage last season and the arrival of Hunt.