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It looks as though a trade has been set up for Frye for the past several weeks. Savage was either working out a deal, or checking on other options, etc, when Dorsey was released. Remember, Dorsey was told he would, most likely, be back with the team in a couple weeks, provided he didn't sign with someone else. That tells me there were ongoing negoitiations with someone for either Frye or Anderson. When Frye was pulled in the 2nd quarter, and not returned to the game after halftime, I thought that he would be either traded or released. As the game went on, it seemed more and more like a trade was the option, and Frye was removed to prevent injury, though Anderson did have a TD pass and moved the team a little better than Frye. You don't experiment during the first half of the first game of the season, unless you have something in the works, or are totally desperate...  Many have mentioned Frye fitting the scheme of a WCO better than our dropback style O. I thought Frye was lifted, because he was being traded to Atlanta, as a backup, and realistic option to Harrington, and Romeo/Phil didn't want Frye injured before the trade could be consumated. The only reason Frye started the game was because Romeo thought Frye gave us the best chance to beat Pittsburgh.... and a good showing might get us a higher draft pick.....  Anderson is a drop back passer, as is Quinn. Since Quinn was drafted, I've made the statement in other threads that we would probably keep Anderson over Frye because the playcalling would not have to be changed based on who the QB was. An offense set up for Quinn, our QB of the future and pocket passer, would not work well for Frye, just as an offense set up for Couch/Holcomb did not work well for Garcia. An offense set up for Vick, however, just might work for Frye.... I was wrong about the team, Seattle not Atlanta....  ..... but right about the offense ( WCO ). I hope Frye does well in Seattle. Who knows, maybe he'll get a chance to show something. I just don't see much room for advancement there.... JMO....
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He needed to name one the starter and the other the back up before pre season,plain and simple. At least ONE of them would have been properly prepared. Instead,neither were. You never wanted Quinn started early. Nobody accept a few youngins' did on the board. Now? Neither Frye nor DA were properly prepared and they're ready to throw Quinn in early. Like I said,neither of the two were properly prepared by getting proper playing time with the first team. And Quinn isn't properly prepared either. 3-3=0 It DID matter. It mattered a lot. From coin gate on through this entire fiasco. If your "claim held any merrit" a. They wouldn't be ready to "throw Quinn to the dogs." (which is EXACTLY what THEY called it only a few days ago)  b. You would have been correct with your DA Dorsey Quinn .............but you weren't.  You've read this thing wrong from jump street. I KNEW this would end up in a mess and Quinn would end up thrown into the fire early because of it. And that's exactly where we're at. Dorsey as our second string QB? Oh yeah.............
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"I was wrong about the team, Seattle not Atlanta.... ..... but right about the offense ( WCO )."
Before you hurt yourself patting on the back too hard. Hope you realize Atlanta does not run the WCO under Petrino. 
Again making sense of the QB stuff which is the theme of this thread.
It makes sense to me. I thought Frye was our best chance to win this season and quite frankly so did all in the Browns camp as evidence of Frye always being the QB named as starter when one was named.
He had a Gosh Awful game this past Sunday - probably his worst as a Brown.
But he was not traded as a direct result of that game. Indirectly he was cause he obviously was being demoted to #2 this brought playing Quinn at some point soon a certain reality. Our frame of mind had to change. But we always had that door open also obvious by stating the competition was still on...that could only mean unless a stud was formed out there as a starting QB - BQ would soon be the starter and win the competition...and then the "Competition" would be over cause the guy we are looking to win out did!
DA or Frye were going to be traded. This was obvious at least to me as I've been saying it since we drafted BQ. I wanted Frye to stud out as the starter so badly cause then anyone who was willing to trade for him would have to pay the price for a studding QB. I was dreaming of getting back into the first round in 08.
Although I'm sure there was some interest in DA most of the NFL calls I'm sure were about Frye.
But his era is officially over...it was time to prepare for the arrival of BQ as our starter. Frye failed miserably in his opener with the Steelers the purpose was to have him stud out and gain in value not look oh so bad and lose value. Sitting at #2 his value would have just diminished.
So now that Frye's era was over and the BQ era is to start...best get what value we could (DA after his preseason was worth nada) with our QB sitting there as the #2 and bring back Dorsey who we told not to go that far.
Btw - does anyone here think we were showcasing Frye last Sunday? We told Dorsey not to go far...and Savage did tell us in a presser on cut day that there still could be a way that Dorsey would be back with us. What if Frye had a great game and we won...would we have gotten a first day pick for him instead of a 6th??? Was this the plan all along?
We traded Frye not because he failed miserably last Sunday. We traded Frye cause he was the only one of the two QB who were tradeable. The demotion to #2 was real for Frye - if he maintained his starting status we would have held off from any trade of Frye. But as soon as he was demoted to #2 - the Quinn era was starting. In other words there was never a DA era in the mix. This is the bottom line.
I've always maintained that it would take BQ for games into the season to catch up for those missed training camps. I doubt we would start him for the 5th against the Pats? We will wait for the bye week to make the transition with the team and give him 2 full weeks to prepare as the starter.
2 things can thwart that itinerary.
1. DA gets injured.
2. DA totally spazzes out similar to what happened to Frye on Sunday.
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He needed to name one the starter and the other the back up before pre season,plain and simple. At least ONE of them would have been properly prepared. Instead,neither were.
No..what needed to happen was Frye or DA to outplay the other.
Properly prepared..pleeeease..you could start either of 'em for the while preseason and they'd both implode JUST LIKE WE SAW.
If I'm not mistaken I keep hearing Phil and Rac say they aren't throwing Quinn until he's ready..
You've read this thing wrong from jump street. I KNEW this would end up in a mess and Quinn would end up thrown into the fire early because of it.
Only thing I misread was them ABLE to ship Frye out instead of DA first.
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This is where YOU are too trigger happy..U asked ME ..IF it were me WHO WOULD I slate 1-2-3..remember that smart guy?
I NEVER SAID they would do it but it's what I would do IF I DIDN'T WANT QUINN seeing the field till bye week..
U have selective reading disorder or sumptin like that.
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He needed to name one the starter and the other the back up before pre season,plain and simple. At least ONE of them would have been properly prepared. Instead,neither were.
They were properly prepared, the problem is they both suck.
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He needed to name one the starter and the other the back up before pre season,plain and simple. At least ONE of them would have been properly prepared. Instead,neither were.
They were properly prepared, the problem is they both suck.
I disagree.
The problem wasn't lack of preparation for the Steeler game. We had more time for that than any game this season.
The problem was the preparation lacked.
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Sorry Peen i have to dissagree. Whether Frye or DA had of been (or wasnt) properly prepared....neither was gonna succeed Sunday. Neither of these guys will be a starter anywhere else in this league....other than a injury or such putting them into a game or two. They are both HORRIBLE!!!  I have been saying all preseason that Dorsey is as good as either of them.  I could be right!!!!  Again JMO.....
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I don't mind you disagreeing.....what I mind is you can't figure out which end of the stadium to meet people. You been ok bro?? Here is a hint......you aren't right...we prepared out butts off....the coach made a bad choice and didn't get the team ready and now, he will lose his job soon.
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What was the "bad choice"? Are you saying that we lost because Frye was the QB? I am just looking for clarification because Frye wasn't the only problem Sunday and I'm pretty sure you know that, but that's not what it sounds like.
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IMO he didn't "back" or properly prepare EITHER QB to be the starter.
He left it to coin tosses,take turns and just basicly left the entire team and QB position in a state of flux. How can any team be "properly prepared" for the season in that atmosphere?
On one hand,people post about "continuity" and how important it is. Yet when the head coach doesn't do anything short of "detracting from continuity" this entire training camp and pre season,they make excuses for him.
This is a very young team. They needed the practice,the confidence and continuity under "one QB" going into this season. Be that DA or Frye. But instead,the entire team was engulfed by the chaos and the very lack of continuity people claim to be so dear.
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IMO he didn't "back" or properly prepare EITHER QB to be the starter.
There must be a pothole in front of U ..U keep hitting it.
Who started last year?
Frye.
Who wound up starting this opener?
Frye.
What team does Frye seem to be in a shell when he faces them?
Pitt.
U keep repeating this endless song..
Why don't U just say U don't like Rac and stop with the shield of he didn't prepare/back either QB???
iF YOU take the bias out of your mind and realize THAT IT DIDN'T MATTER whether or not Frye was named starter early on that he WAS GOING TO STRUGGLE.
I saw this last year and I knew regardless of what upgrades were there, he would struggle.
Even though the line and other factors contributed to the outcome..dude has definicies( that SOME of kept hammering over and over again )that overcome him.
Him taking all the snaps in practice wouldn't help him have pocket awareness, get the ball out quicker, make his reads better..because he's inconsistant at doing those things..he did them in some of the series he played in but thats the story from last year.
So stop with the whining about people are making excuses for the coaches, when THE PLAYERS have to perform.
Frye and Anderson PLAY TO SKILLSET..and I expect nothign more.
For me..I WILL say if I were Phil..I would have tried to get a better QB to run the show ..there's my beef about the QB spot.I said as much when Dilfer was brought in..
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For me..I WILL say if I were Phil..I would have tried to get a better QB to run the show ..there's my beef about the QB spot.I said as much when Dilfer was brought in..
I'll back that up. Dilfer was no worldbeater (hell, I woulda rather kept Holcomb  ) but I have a feeling we would have been better than 4-12 had we had him under center last year. Perhaps another 6-10. Still not good but 6-10 is "respectable bad" whereas 4-12 is "laughable bad."
Then again, we wouldn't have been in position to take Thomas and Quinn. I guess the universe works out as it should.
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Unfortunately, Holcomb didn't want to stay here. He'd had enough and got the heck out of town...  If you remember the board, back when Dilfer was here, the situation was much as it is right now. People were complaining they wanted to see Frye. Frye was the future. Frye played great in Preseason. Frye was from Willard. Frye could do things that Dilfer couldn't. If Dilfer didn't win a game, maybe Frye could have. Everyone likes the shiny new toy. It's different. If holds a promise that the old toys don't. It has been advertised as "New and Improved," or "Better than the Original." Quinn is our new toy du jour. We can only hope he comes as advertised.
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You have to admit tho,....he's got the best chance to succeed out of any of the QB's we've had.
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Quinn probably does have the best chance for success.... I liked Holcomb and Dilfer.... I liked the veteran presense, but Holcomb was fed up and Dilfer wasn't allowed to make use of his experience. I think Quinn now has the best chance to succeed. I sure hope so. The Browns have had a "Question Mark" at QB ever since Testeverde took over for Bernie.... 
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getting a 6th rnd pick for a 3rd round QB who hasn't played well in his 3 years is decent return versus cutting him.
You buy a cheap[ radio for $10, 3 years from now it's beat up, and barely works, and someone offers you $5 for it. Do you take it, or just throw the radio away?
Honestly, that's a horrible analogy. Here's an improved version IMO. You bought a cheap radio for $10 and 3 years from now, it's beat up, barely works, and someone offers you $2 for it. For your job, it's essential that you have a functional radio so when your old radio started to fail, you ordered a new one that they said would be ready to be shipped in 8-10 weeks. You could rush order the new radio, but radios that are rush ordered have a tendency to arrive broken, forcing you to buy a new one all over again. You have another radio you could try to use, but it's even worse and more fragile than the first one.
Do you take the $2 and either a) risk the rush order or b) sell the radio and use the second one, hoping it doesn't give... or do you hold onto both radios until the brand new one arrives, then get rid of the ones you don't want? If having a "radio" is so important, you hold onto everything until the good one is ready.
Having a quarterback is just that important. IMO, it's foolish to get rid of your starting quarterback, putting Quinn at risk of being rushed if DA stinks or goes down early, especially for something as trivial as a 6th rounder. IMO, if hypothetically, you were offered much improved odds that your future star QB would develop in exchange for a 6th round pick, how many of you would take that?
Instead, we've chosen the risky and embarassing path. No team since the merger has traded their starting QB after the first game, let alone for a 6th round pick that probably won't even make next year's roster. Congrats Phil.
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getting a 6th rnd pick for a 3rd round QB who hasn't played well in his 3 years is decent return versus cutting him.
You buy a cheap[ radio for $10, 3 years from now it's beat up, and barely works, and someone offers you $5 for it. Do you take it, or just throw the radio away?
Honestly, that's a horrible analogy. Here's an improved version IMO. You bought a cheap radio for $10 and 3 years from now, it's beat up, barely works, and someone offers you $2 for it. For your job, it's essential that you have a functional radio so when your old radio started to fail, you ordered a new one that they said would be ready to be shipped in 8-10 weeks. You could rush order the new radio, but radios that are rush ordered have a tendency to arrive broken, forcing you to buy a new one all over again. You have another radio you could try to use, but it's even worse and more fragile than the first one.
Do you take the $2 and either a) risk the rush order or b) sell the radio and use the second one, hoping it doesn't give... or do you hold onto both radios until the brand new one arrives, then get rid of the ones you don't want? If having a "radio" is so important, you hold onto everything until the good one is ready.
Having a quarterback is just that important. IMO, it's foolish to get rid of your starting quarterback, putting Quinn at risk of being rushed if DA stinks or goes down early, especially for something as trivial as a 6th rounder. IMO, if hypothetically, you were offered much improved odds that your future star QB would develop in exchange for a 6th round pick, how many of you would take that?
Instead, we've chosen the risky and embarassing path. No team since the merger has traded their starting QB after the first game, let alone for a 6th round pick that probably won't even make next year's roster. Congrats Phil.
Honestly, I think the fact that neither DA or Frye pulled ahead says a lot about the both of them.
It doesn't matter which one we play, they both stink. They both stink equally, IMO. Each has their strengths (if we can call them that) and their deficiencies that offset one another. Therefore we got rid of the one with the most trade value.
Plus we kept the one who makes the O-Line look respectable.
The bottom line is the sooner Quinn is ready (NOT "the sooner Quinn starts") the better. Or, the sooner that radio can arrive in mint condition, the better.
Perhaps while we can't use rush delivery, we could use UPS instead of the U.S. Postal service?
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getting a 6th rnd pick for a 3rd round QB who hasn't played well in his 3 years is decent return versus cutting him.
You buy a cheap[ radio for $10, 3 years from now it's beat up, and barely works, and someone offers you $5 for it. Do you take it, or just throw the radio away?
Honestly, that's a horrible analogy. Here's an improved version IMO. You bought a cheap radio for $10 and 3 years from now, it's beat up, barely works, and someone offers you $2 for it. For your job, it's essential that you have a functional radio so when your old radio started to fail, you ordered a new one that they said would be ready to be shipped in 8-10 weeks. You could rush order the new radio, but radios that are rush ordered have a tendency to arrive broken, forcing you to buy a new one all over again. You have another radio you could try to use, but it's even worse and more fragile than the first one.
Do you take the $2 and either a) risk the rush order or b) sell the radio and use the second one, hoping it doesn't give... or do you hold onto both radios until the brand new one arrives, then get rid of the ones you don't want? If having a "radio" is so important, you hold onto everything until the good one is ready.
Having a quarterback is just that important. IMO, it's foolish to get rid of your starting quarterback, putting Quinn at risk of being rushed if DA stinks or goes down early, especially for something as trivial as a 6th rounder. IMO, if hypothetically, you were offered much improved odds that your future star QB would develop in exchange for a 6th round pick, how many of you would take that?
Instead, we've chosen the risky and embarassing path. No team since the merger has traded their starting QB after the first game, let alone for a 6th round pick that probably won't even make next year's roster. Congrats Phil.
But what if you just got a tracking number on your new radio because it turned out it was in stock and some one offered you five bucks for the old one?
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This season was thrown away as soon as we took BQ---as soon as we did that, we basically sold-out our other two QB's--after we took BQ, then both of them knew we hadn't any faith in them---and thats just not what you want in a young QB. Its kind of hard to focus on football when you are looking over your shoulder at a 1st round QB
I didn't think Anderson or Frye were very special...they were all we had since we had no veteran. A competition between them is probably meaningless and only serves to destroy our chances to look respectable and give Quinn a chance to learn. If Quinn is the future then we should be carefull because bad habits are hard to fix...look at Frye's tendency to run. I think if Crennel had a chance to realy think about it he would have made the best of Frye's expereince. Frye didn't fall apart last year against the Steelers we had a lead without such a good Oline.
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What U have DG were two BACKUP QB's trying to win a starting job..Not a good situation.
You have to work with what you have. Did Crennel work to maximize the limited talent? A QB without confidence is indecisive and will fail. That has been the entire purpose of pressure on the QB but we put presure on our own QB. I see a coaching weakness... an impatience...reluctance to use what you have. Maybe that is the fans or the owner but I don't see a way to win unless you try to make the players you have a success...at least believe they are capable.
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