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Just look at the number of posts that have absolutely NOTHING to do w/the OP. It's the same old BS that you guys always pull. Hate the other side. Name calling. Lies.

Freaking sickening.

It’s funny cause his threads never fail to go sideways fast. The guy whose constantly trying to blame both sides and talk about civil debates can never seem to get the following he so desires.

An inherent problem amongst beta males.

I deleted it all. Neither of you are worth the time. I do not allow people who w/hateful souls into my everyday life and I need to learn to shun the hateful souls on this board.

You respond to us quite often for us to not be worth your time.

I want to go back and expound on some of the key points of the original article. These quotes are from leaders of minority organizations and Democratic presidential candidates.









These prominent folks realize what is at stake and the importance of cooperation rather than extending the divide. They understand that it's a team effort to win rather than "give me everything I want and screw the other side. The former is the ploy of the intelligent and reasonable. The latter are the demands of the childish and hateful.

This isn't about being "liked." It's about winning a damn election where you try and work collaboratively rather than selfishly. It's about respect. Don't ask people to see things your way while you endlessly mock them and mimic the racists on the other side. That's beyond ignorant.

Some of us are more intelligent than that. We understand that reason is a good thing. We understand that not categorizing entire groups of people is a good thing. We understand that not taking advantage of one group of people so another can profit is a good thing. We understand that compromise is not the action of the weak, but a tool that can help the majority prosper.

There are many, many people w/the same mindset as Warren, the minority leaders, and myself who feel the same damn way. We are strong. We will persevere. We will win the war against hate and bias. And if we have to run your hateful asses over...............so be it!

It was already apparent to everyone else.
Hey, DC... you should start typing r e a l s l o w .

Don't bother. This is another example of 40¢ trying to save face without a paper bag.
Talk about your 'losing proposition'...

I will not straighten out Clem so as not to hijack your thread further.

My PM inbox is open.
Speak your piece.

Stop it! You will get us shunned!

I'm liking Elizabeth Warren more and more. It's early, but she seems to be in tune w/what a lot of America's values. I think she understands how to bridge the gap between the liberals and conservatives.

I'm not positive of any of that. Just an early feeling.

That is why I originally asked you if Elizabeth Warren was considered a Progressive.

I am beginning to think she will catch and pass Biden to end up with the nomination. She has been concentrating on important issues while the others fuss about Trump all the time.

her biggest issue is:

A: still a lot of concerns over the native american identity, and

B: she has a very leftist tax plan. its not as bad as bernie's, but its still up there. its gonna be a tough sell for a lot of americans. not impossible, as there's a ton of people upset about the tax cut, more specifically WHO it went to.

I don't personally care about the Native American thing. It doesn't effect me at all.

The tax thing is a huge concern. I agree w/you. I still have to educate myself a lot more about all the candidates. I haven't studied them at all. I just like some of the things she says. She comes across as intelligent and fair. I think she gets how business works and that's important. I think she comes across as valuing all sects of the population. I like that. But yeah, the tax thing could be a deal killer because people freak about their taxes being raised---and understandably so.

I already answered that question. I don't classify people like that. It's not important to me.

Her fumble with the Ancestry21 or whatever test she took will only matter to Trump soundbites in the general. It will garner chuckles from his base but it won't move the needle otherwise, not against people who view her sins against that of Trumps.

I give her credit for having PLANS though. I know some of them are out there but I have much more respect for someone putting their ideas in the marketplace and letting them speak for themselves. Agree or not, what other candidate is really doing that right now?

I heard this on the way home from work yesterday on NPR and thought it was interesting.

Poll: Americans Not Sold On Trump — Or Democrats
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Democratic presidential candidates are proposing lots of progressive policies in this election. And while those policies may resonate with the party base, some of those ideas are not popular with a general election electorate, according to a new NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll.

And overall, independent voters said they were not impressed with the direction either President Trump or Democrats want to take the country at this point ahead of the 2020 election, the findings show.

"Independents are on the fence overall," said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion at Marist College, which conducted the poll. "They're not willing to grant President Trump reelection, and yet they're not persuaded by Democrats at this point."


Trump did his best in this polling since taking office, but his approval rating is still just 44%. Fewer independents are undecided about the president and give him a 42% approval rating, up from 35% in June.

The poll was conducted from July 15 to 17, after the president's July 14 tweet that four Democratic congresswomen of color, all American citizens, should "go back" to their countries of origin. The poll of 1,336 adults has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.



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What's more, by a 53%-to-39% margin, Americans said they would definitely vote against Trump, statistically unchanged from a month ago; 54% of American voters did not vote for Trump in 2016.

Among independents, a third said they would definitely vote for the president, up from one quarter. A majority — 54% — say they definitely won't, about the same as last month.

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The economy

There's a tremendous gap between views of the president overall and how Americans feel about the economy. Even though Trump gets just a 44% approval rating overall, 52% of registered voters approve of his handling of the economy and two-thirds — 65% — of Americans think the economy is working well for them, including 62% of independents.

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"Independents are pleased with the economy, but it is not converting to a strong endorsement on his [Trump's] reelect question," Miringoff said.

So there's a political opportunity for Democrats.

But what Americans have heard about the primary so far is not necessarily giving them confidence that Democrats offer a better way. Americans split 46%-to-43% on whether Democrats would take the country in the wrong direction or right one.

And with all-important independents, more (48%) think Democrats would take the country in the wrong direction than the right one (40%).

Democratic loyalists vs. independent voters

There are areas in which Democrats' policy proposals are on solid footing with the overall electorate:

-- Requiring background checks for gun purchases or private sales (89% say it's good idea)

-- Medicare for all who want it, presenting it as an option (70%) rather than doing away completely with private health insurance (41%)

-- Regulating prescription drug prices (67%)

-- Providing a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the U.S. illegally (64%)

-- Investing in so-called green jobs and energy efficient infrastructure (63%)

-- Increasing taxes on those making more than $1 million (62%)

-- Legalizing marijuana (63%)

-- Banning assault-style weapons (57%)

-- Raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour (56%)

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Areas that are less popular include:

-- A guaranteed universal basic income of $1,000 per month for American adults (26%)

-- Providing reparations for slavery (27%)

-- Decriminalizing illegal border crossings (27%)

-- A national health insurance program that is available to immigrants in the country illegally (33%)

-- Abolishing the death penalty (36%)

-- Medicare for all replacing private health insurance (41%)

-- Getting rid of the Electoral College (42%)

"These would be issues where people would say the Democratic Party is too far to the left," Miringoff said, "and that's warranted within the data."

On "Medicare for All," "whether it is a choice or a replacement is a huge distinction in terms of how the public reacts," Miringoff added.

On rejoining the Paris climate agreement, 53% think it's a good idea and just 31% think it's a bad idea, but that leaves many undecided.

People are split or give less support to: giving free college tuition at public colleges and universities (53% said good idea, 43% said bad idea); a tax on carbon-based fuels such as coal, oil and natural gas (50% vs. 44%).

Repealing Obamacare unpopular

One area that jumps out as a warning for Republicans is repealing the Affordable Care Act.

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Just 44% think it's a good idea, while 51% think it's a bad one. The degree to which the tide has turned on that issue is remarkable considering how much the fight over so-called Obamacare helped Republicans in 2010 while President Barack Obama was in office.

Republicans voted to repeal the law dozens of times while Obama was in office, but with full control in Washington during Trump's first two years, they were not able to repeal or replace the health care law in full.

The divided states of America

One major takeaway from the poll is that America is a nation divided. Democrats and Republicans are worlds apart on the things they think are good ideas. Some of the widest splits on what the parties thought were good ideas were:

-- Rejoining the Paris climate agreement (63 points)

-- Investing in green jobs (60 points)

-- Repealing Obamacare (60 points)

-- $15 minimum wage (58 points)

-- Free college at public colleges and universities (57 points)

-- Increasing taxes on those making more than $1 million (56 points)

-- Health care for immigrants in country illegally (54 points)

-- Semi-automatic weapons ban (54 points)



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Of the 20 policy proposals respondents were asked about, many of which have been floated by Democratic presidential candidates, a majority of Democrats were in favor of 16 of them.

A majority of independents thought 12 were good ideas, while a majority of Republicans, as to be expected, were in favor of just three — repealing Obamacare, stricter gun background checks and regulating prescription drug prices.

2020 Democratic primary

There are lots of reasons to discount who has the early lead in primary polls, and that is borne out again in this survey — 82% of Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents say they have not yet made up their mind in the Democratic primary.

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That is pretty much unchanged from a month ago, when 84% said their minds were not yet made up. A majority (54%) though say they want a nominee who can beat Trump rather than one who shares their position on most issues (42%).

That's a 13-point swing from last month when 47% said they wanted someone who shared their position on most issues versus 46% who said they wanted someone who has the best chance of beating Trump.

The poll of 1,346 adults was conducted from July 15 to 17. The respondents were reached by telephone, both cellphone and landline, with live callers. It has a margin of error of +/- 3.5 percentage points. The survey reached 1,175 registered voters and has a margin of error for that group of +/- 3.7 percentage points. There were 553 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents interviewed. Results referring to Democrats' views therefore have a margin of error of +/- 5.4 percentage points.


https://www.npr.org/2019/07/22/743516166...mp-or-democrats

doesn't change that its gonna be an issue. how big or small, we shall see.



her work on the CFPB should be highlighted non stop, as she was amazing trying to represent us against corporations.

and let me clear; her tax plan is better than Bernies, IMO. i've said it before, bernie's tax plan will make even the europeans go "yo slow your roll".

thats the thing though, that dna test is gonna be attacked by his 35% automatically. the concern is that its gonna start bleeding over to the liberals.

for you and Vers: understand guys, i personally dont think its a big deal anymore, as she's done enough to have us move on from that. however, the big picture issue is that whether we like or not, because of the SJW era and such, liberals and people who lean left is gonna have a tough time with this because we keep claiming that minorties are marginalize, so the right will CORRECTLY wonder why we arent outraged over a white woman stealing identities in order to gain an advantage in her career?

its a problem.

as far as her policies, i like them overall. but again, 2020 is also gonna be about character. and while she certainly has a better character than trump to US, to others.....its an easy avenue to attack her over.

thats all im saying.

2020 will be about character with the Left.
2020 will be about the Economy and Jobs with the Right.

Economy Trumps Character in National Elections.

The right should put that on a bumper sticker... they could put it right between this one..



and this one...

I mistakenly assumed you would comprehend we were talking in a National Election, not in personal life.

Fixed it to help with comprehension.

My error.

Kristyunz, DC.
Now you know why.

I like your idea. That tailgate tag would serve as ID badges.

it wont though.

the right has shown they cant get past their disdain for immigrants and non christians long enough to focus on the economy.

hell, Trump can't even focus on the economy. economic numbers dropped a while ago, and was good.

but trump couldnt even tweet about it. why?

he was too busy starting twitter beefs with SNL.

And here come the attacking minions.

I think you may very well be right, and if we continue to let perfect be the enemy of good we will continue on our authoritarian path.

Sorry but the recent immigrants are leaning more and more towards Trump because they don't like losing their jobs and the safety of their neighborhoods to ILLEGALS either.

you've had two years to pass E-verfiy, but didn't.

the country is well aware of the rights lip service to "fixing" immigration.

It is sad but sooner or later a Terrorist or group thereof will use the Lefts porous, open border to hit us hard.

It will all be on you.

So you are voting for Trump because of his character?

like the terrorist who came through and committed 9/11 under republicans watch?

I will be voting for Trump because...

-Almost 4 million jobs have been created since his election.

-More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.

-He has created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since his election.

-New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.

-African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

-Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.

-Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

I could go on but won't.

Oh yea, and another really big one...

2 Conservative/Constitutionalist Supreme Court picks and

One-fifth of the judges on federal appeals courts have been installed by Trump. All Conservative/Constitutionalists.

It was so nice to see you following your own advice.

Yup...Building a dictatorship. Enjoy

If you don't draw a distinction between true followers of Christ and demagogues, you probably belong to Group B.

Group A gets my admiration, love and support.
Group B gets the back of my hand.

Q: How do I tell the difference?
A: Matthew 7:16

From Fox News:

For the first time in more than three decades, Republican-appointed judges will soon occupy nearly half the seats on the left-leaning 9th Circuit Court of Appeals — dealing a setback to progressive legal advocates who have long seen the court as a safe bet for favorable rulings.