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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Also was appointed back in the day by Republican deity Ronald Reagan.

Gotta love this revisionist history!


He is being used as a political hack by Dems, regardless who appointed him. Who appointed him does not matter. There is no revisionist history. He is now a hack, pure and simple. And he is doing the Dems no favor with his testimony.

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Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
Mueller is looking like a puppet.

The Ds are trying to read his report to the listening public...with their own spin.

The Rs are trying to get to how the whole thing got started and the puppet won't respond.

Sorry to all the libs out there...but Mueller looks like an incompetent, bumbling old man who was not actually "behind the wheel" of this whole thing.


Wow. Never let facts get in the way of the truth.

Dems are trying to undo the LIE that Barr told .... never mind the repeated banality of the Trump attacks. The report says what the report says - the Dems should have lived with that and decided what to do without this nonsense. The report clearly states that the POTUS obstructed justice multiple times but wasn't being indicted because that is not the role of Mueller/DOJ.

As for the source of the investigation and why it startes- it started long before the Steele Dossier ... however that is a nice little misdirect and constant chatter to undermine anything to do with the whole report and investigation..... Additionally the Steele dossier was not used as a foundation for any "spying" (smh) .... and the contents of the dossier has been found to be both accurate AND inaccurate . . . . . hey, but don't let the facts get in the way of you regurgitating what they are feeding you.


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Also was appointed back in the day by Republican deity Ronald Reagan.

Gotta love this revisionist history!


He is being used as a political hack by Dems, regardless who appointed him. Who appointed him does not matter. There is no revisionist history. He is now a hack, pure and simple. And he is doing the Dems no favor with his testimony.



https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/political%20hack

"a politician who belongs to a small clique that controls a political party for private rather than public ends."

That describes Trump - not Mueller. I have no problem with the observation that Mueller is not presenting well. But he's still a million times more patriotic and what America stands for than Trump or any of his political lackeys like Nunes, Barr and co could ever be in a thousand lifetimes.


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From the head democrat at Fox News:

Fox News Channel’s Chris Wallace declared the hearing a “disaster for the Democrats.”

Wallace said, “This has been a disaster for the Democrats and a disaster for the reputation of Robert Mueller. He has seemed very uncertain with his brief. He doesn’t seem to know what things are in the report.”

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rofl

Well that's the way people see things these days when someone checks a document and thinks before they speak these days.

They've been conditioned to seeing the president open his mouth and just spew BS.


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Spin? You mean like addressing what's actually in the report?

Yep...an actual report that has been available for reading for months.

Because the report shows Trump was involved with obstruction.

Not according to the guy in charge of the two year investigation.

It shows Trump was not exonerated.

So...he's not not-guilty? Ridiculous.

It shows Trump tried to interfere in the investigation.

Except he didn't. Unprecedented access to information and testimony.

You know, those lies Trump keeps repeating claiming all of these things aren't true?

Mueller found "NO COLLUSION". How can Trump be lying when he says there was no collusion?


Yes, they want America to know what is and isn't in the report. Shame on them.

Americans with any common sense can read the report for themselves and draw their own conclusion. Shame on them if they need some political hack to read it to them.

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I'll tell you something...if the Ds DON'T proceed with impeachment, they are bigger hacks than anyone realized. They MUST press on now. One can only hope.

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IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH

Normally I’d say no one could be that stupid ... but who knows how much AOC + 3 will push Nanc ... we can only hope ....

IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH

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Nah. Vote him out and let the court system lock him up. That would be better.

You know the senate wouldn't vote him out if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue. Pelosi knows it too.


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Nancy is smart enough to know that regardless of how bonefide and legit the impeachment would be, the GOP will protect Trump and Trump will then play the victim card .... no thanks.

It's funny that the report clearly states that there was Obstruction - and if Trump wasn't President this wouldn't even be a discussion ..... and yet the Trump faithful want to act like this is all fine and dandy. smh.


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Ya .... all trump supporters are too stupid to think for themselves ... thank go we got enlightened people like U and your pals around to keep us in our place and let us know just how stupid we are ...

Your arrogance is sickening dude ... thumbsdown ...

And u people think Trump’s dividing the country ... what a joke ...

C ya ... time to go shower and get the stench of this place off me ...




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Lawrence Tribe said the hearing was a disaster. That should tell the Socialists something.

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Let me know what it is you don't agree with. The rport clearly states Trump committed obstruction. Mueller clearly said the reason he wasn't indicted was because the DOJ doesn't indict a sitting president. Barr clearly lied outrageously when he said "no collusion, no obstruction" ..... tell me which part of that is wrong.

Sorry if you find statements based on facts to be arrogant.


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Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
Sorry to all the libs out there...but Mueller looks like an incompetent, bumbling old man who was not actually "behind the wheel" of this whole thing.


I'm gonna step over the aisle and agree with you, because I have one question that I'd really like to know from Bob Mueller. That question is: Why would you, the former head of the FBI, wish to preserve norms over preserving justice?

Mueller's report could be best summarized as "here's what I found, let Congress deal with the findings." There's some damning things in there. Heck there are damning things in the 12 point summary. The report lays out several threads that lead, in the general sense, to the risk that our top govt officials could be compromised by a foreign power. If not Trump himself then his closest associates and family members. So the dissonance I have with Mueller is, if you claim the evidence points to our government officials at the top or near the top of the executive branch are compromised, why would you subject yourself to the norms of the executive branch?

This whole report became a dud when it became clear that Mueller viewed preserving order as a higher priority than preserving justice. If he would neither charge nor exonerate the president, then it means he did not complete his job. He needed to either exonerate the president or charge him. Because to NOT charge a sitting president with crimes that are treasonous, is an endorsement of a treasonous government. Especially when the motivation to not charge a sitting president is because the treasonous government said you shouldn't do that (DOJ Memo).

The Democrats treating Mueller as some sort of good guy is a horrible play. Unfortunately the democrats are really good at making the wrong move at the wrong time.


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"I want to go back to one thing that was said this morning by Mr. Lieu, who said and I quote: 'you didn’t charge the President because of the OLC (Office of Legal Counsel) opinion.' " Mueller said. "That is not the correct way to say it. As we say in the report and as I said at the opening, we did not reach a determination as to whether the President committed a crime."

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From the head democrat at Fox News:

Fox News Channel’s Chris Wallace declared the hearing a “disaster for the Democrats.”

Wallace said, “This has been a disaster for the Democrats and a disaster for the reputation of Robert Mueller. He has seemed very uncertain with his brief. He doesn’t seem to know what things are in the report.”


Impeachment is a doomed prospect after Special Counsel Robert Mueller's testimony on Wednesday, a senior correspondent for ABC News contended.

ABC's Terry Moran speculated that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., would be unwilling to heed lawmakers' calls for impeachment proceedings, which are likely to be unpopular with the American public.

"Impeachment's over," he said. "I don't think Nancy Pelosi is going to stand for her members bringing forth something that is going to obviously lose in the Senate, lose with the American public."

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From the head democrat at Fox News:

Fox News Channel’s Chris Wallace declared the hearing a “disaster for the Democrats.”

Wallace said, “This has been a disaster for the Democrats and a disaster for the reputation of Robert Mueller. He has seemed very uncertain with his brief. He doesn’t seem to know what things are in the report.”


Impeachment is a doomed prospect after Special Counsel Robert Mueller's testimony on Wednesday, a senior correspondent for ABC News contended.

ABC's Terry Moran speculated that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., would be unwilling to heed lawmakers' calls for impeachment proceedings, which are likely to be unpopular with the American public.

"Impeachment's over," he said. "I don't think Nancy Pelosi is going to stand for her members bringing forth something that is going to obviously lose in the Senate, lose with the American public."


Anti-Trump Harvard Law prof Laurence Tribe calls Mueller hearing ‘disaster’ that helped the president

Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe, a fierce critic of President Trump, said Wednesday that former Special Counsel Robert Mueller's House Judiciary Committee hearing was a "disaster" that set back impeachment efforts.

“Much as I hate to say it, this morning’s hearing was a disaster," Tribe tweeted. "Far from breathing life into his damning report, the tired Robert Mueller sucked the life out of it. The effort to save democracy and the rule of law from this lawless president has been set back, not advanced."

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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
“Did you totally exonerate trump”.

‘No He was not exonerated.”



That is all.


True statement. You can't exonerate someone that hasn't been indicted. Amazing how you guys keep missing that.


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President Trump, during a meeting with India's Prime Minister, reacts to Mueller's testimony today...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dy1C95p00E

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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
“Did you totally exonerate trump”.

‘No He was not exonerated.”



That is all.


True statement. You can't exonerate someone that hasn't been indicted. Amazing how you guys keep missing that.




They don't get it. They also don't get their leaders are making them look like fools by supporting them.


This is a smear on the USA. We had a soft coup that failed.

The Dems covered up the Hillary investigation even though the evidence is tremendous. They rigged the election and screwed Bernie in the nomination process, and now the henchmen and women have been telling lie after lie about President Trump in a effort to overthrow the sitting government.


Those people are going to get steamrolled.

The "Gang" are leading the Democrats. LOL


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The love for Russia is just unreal...




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Originally Posted By: ErikInHell
Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
“Did you totally exonerate trump”.

‘No He was not exonerated.”



That is all.


True statement. You can't exonerate someone that hasn't been indicted. Amazing how you guys keep missing that.


A party who is under criminal investigation may be exonerated by the prosecuting attorney for said investigation without charges being filed. Id provide a source but Mueller specifically referred to Trump's lack of exoneration verbatim today, so just watch the Cspan recording.


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The love for Russia and Putin is unreal, unpatriotic...





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Putin is a strong authoritarian like dear leader . His murder of journalists and political enemies isn't derided by the alt right. If anything it is quietly celebrated in private Facebook groups like that CBP page , or in private company when they feel more at ease to spout sexism and racism amongst like minds.


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Originally Posted By: mac
The love for Russia and Putin is unreal, unpatriotic...



Sadly whatever you think of the Report, and conspiracy or obstruction .... Trump's continued lack of effort to prevent Russia doing the same in the future is sad. Heck - Trump doesn't even acknowledge that it was Russia.


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I can remember when the Republican party lead the fight against Russia...




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The love for Russia and Putin is unreal, unpatriotic...



Sadly whatever you think of the Report, and conspiracy or obstruction .... Trump's continued lack of effort to prevent Russia doing the same in the future is sad. Heck - Trump doesn't even acknowledge that it was Russia.



888...I'm simply bottom lining what this entire investigation is about...it is the leaders of our country in love with Russia...

That is the bottom line...Americans who are in love with Russia.




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I had to quit reading the thread because of how freaking lame the replies were. It's amazing how much time and energy you guys pour into "getting the other side." What a freaking way to go through life.

I think things should be pointed out on both sides, but you zealots obsess over them. It's bizarre that you think tearing down the other side uplifts your argument.

I truly understand how my comments are going to make both sides mad and I will be ridiculed. Hell, Rocket might even bring up Sashi again. LOL. But, I can't say I care because I actually feel sorry for folks who use so much time and energy on focusing on hate during their short period of time on this planet.

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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
“Did you totally exonerate trump”.

‘No He was not exonerated.”



That is all.


The best part of this hearing:


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I was all set up for my Generic Response, then as the page was loading I read your response,
I agree, with part of it anyway.

GC.. I didn't see the testimony today but saw only the local and national news broadcasts of, well not even seconds of his testimony.

I was just thinking, It would have been so Sweet if Robert Mueller had worn a Luche Libre (Mexican Style) Wrestling face mask while testifying today.

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Just clicking.

I stay out of political debate, but if, in 2020, American voters give this clown another four years, you get what you deserve.


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Do you think y'all get what you deserve if you voted for a Democrat for anything since about 1986,
They've been off the rails for a while now.

Like What's his name said yesterday,

What have the democrats ever done that lessons the impact Government has on your life?

Oh well, have a nice next 8 years, We survived Obama, Who Knows if anyone can survive the future day one at a time.

Democrats shouldn't even be a significant "3rd" party by now, people need to wake up.

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um.... lampdogg's president is named Trudeau.

You my want to re-think that "y'all" part when talking to him.


Just a suggestion, but please- carry on doing you as you need to.
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Mueller’s testimony ...

"Who am I? Where am I? What am I?"


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Does anyone think Mueller has issues that are health related? How could he perform like he did if he was not ill?

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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
I feel sorry for dude ... he didn’t want to be there and he sure is acting like it ... he’s gotta be a really intelligent dude and he sounds like a bumbling idiot right now ... even the dems softball questions get plenty of stammering along with “ummm” coming in what seems like every other word ...

Nader started it off well since then its been a complete and utter disaster ...

I feel sorry for Mueller am embarrassed for him ...


Diam, do you realize the mess Mueller and his partisan underlings did to this country by hurting innocent people with his BOGUS investigation that went on for 2+ years?

I could never feel sorry for that piece of trash!

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For all the circle smirking going on in this thread, I must have missed the resounding 'win' for Trump today... Did it come between one of the 10 times it was pointed out that he and or his admin obstructed justice? Or did it come after he was proven to NOT BE EXONERATED? Did it come when we were told had he not been president he would have been charged? Did it come when we found out that Trump Jr. had repeatedly done enough to prove conspiracy to work with a foreign entity to affect the outcome of an election? Did it come when we found daddy did the same?

It must have come right after we heard that the Russians are still doing this and we have done nothing to protect our elections in 2020. Or maybe after we heard that Trump is open to letting it happen again.

Or maybe it came after we recounted all the indictments? Or after Trump supporters attacked 74 year old Mueller, who served this country his whole life, repeatedly trying to make him and his team look like partisan hacks? Maybe it came when Trump delivered his word salad afterwards trying to claim victory while doing his best to string together coherent sentences...

Yep, this was GOPer Trumpian winning. Plain and completely simple.


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No Hoax Here: Highlights of Collusion Talk in Robert Mueller's Testimony | NowThis



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Your feelings and opinions do not add up to facts.
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Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee on Legal Standards for Obstruction of Justice at Mueller Testimony | NowThis



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Rep. Adam Schiff's Opening Statement at Mueller Testimony | NowThis



Schiff nailed it.


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Originally Posted By: SuperBrown
Originally Posted By: DiamDawg
I feel sorry for dude ... he didn’t want to be there and he sure is acting like it ... he’s gotta be a really intelligent dude and he sounds like a bumbling idiot right now ... even the dems softball questions get plenty of stammering along with “ummm” coming in what seems like every other word ...

Nader started it off well since then its been a complete and utter disaster ...

I feel sorry for Mueller am embarrassed for him ...


Diam, do you realize the mess Mueller and his partisan underlings did to this country by hurting innocent people with his BOGUS investigation that went on for 2+ years?

I could never feel sorry for that piece of trash!


Couldn’t agree less dude ... my mothers 85, turns 86 in December and she’s starting to get confused .. nothing major at this point but the decline is starting .... i made my post about 10 minutes into his testimony ... i thought it was nerves ... the more i watched the more it felt like i was listening to my mother ...

I feel even more sorry for him now ... no way should he have been allowed to testify ... i don’t know what his “mental” state was when this started 3 years ago but he’s declined to the point that yesterday IMO it was very cruel to put him front and center on a stage like that ...

The people responsible for parading him out there like that should be ashamed of themselves ....




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Oh man oh man! That Mueller testimony sure shed a lot of light on nothing and just repeated everything we already knew.

This is a waste of taxpayer dollars, waste of peoples time. Shouldn't congress be making real laws? WTF is this crap? Can I sue Mueller and the Department of Justice to recoup any money spent on the investigation or hearings?

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