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Originally Posted By: ErikInHell
No where have I ever heard a business was forced to do business with a customer they don't want.



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And those establishments can potentially go out of business. As I recall, this baker had Christian crosses in his sign, so he was advertising his faith. There were plenty other bakers in the area. No where have I ever heard a business was forced to do business with a customer they don't want.


Not all Christians are bigots who are stupid enough to think God will burn them in hell for baking and decorating a frickin' cake. But some are.

And that dumb ass line about, "There are other bakers out there".

Yeah, there were other open seats on the bus when Rosa Parks sat in the front of the bus. There were other places to eat when three black guys sat at a whites only lunch counter at Woolworths.

You obviously didn't learn anything about the fight for civil rights did you?


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No where have I ever heard a business was forced to do business with a customer they don't want.




Recent history might be a good starting point for you.


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I am not sure why we are still arguing over a baker and the cake, when the SCOTUS has already ruled who is and was right on the issue. Just Sayin...

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Laws get overturned all the time. Laws get created all the time.

As with people of color, it won't be long until those will be protected regardless of their sexual orientation. It's coming, like it or not.


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Laws get overturned all the time. Laws get created all the time.

As with people of color, it won't be long until those will be protected regardless of their sexual orientation. It's coming, like it or not.


Laws might. Amendments have been overturned once. I doubt religious freedom will ever take a backseat.


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That's what they said before civil rights was enacted.

When ‘Religious Liberty’ Was Used To Justify Racism Instead Of Homophobia

“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”

— Judge Leon M. Bazile, January 6, 1959

https://thinkprogress.org/when-religious...a-67bc973c4042/

It didn't work then and it shouldn't work now.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
That's what they said before civil rights was enacted.

When ‘Religious Liberty’ Was Used To Justify Racism Instead Of Homophobia

“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”

— Judge Leon M. Bazile, January 6, 1959

https://thinkprogress.org/when-religious...a-67bc973c4042/

It didn't work then and it shouldn't work now.





So, should conciencious objectors, quakers, jehovas witnesses, amish, and others be forced to serve in the military?


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That has nothing to do with being able to deny people the same good and services as everyone else based on color or sexuality.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Laws get overturned all the time. Laws get created all the time.

As with people of color, it won't be long until those will be protected regardless of their sexual orientation. It's coming, like it or not.
Here is where you don't understand, no laws were made or broken. that's the point.

It was not discriminatory against them, as they were not refused a cake, they were refused his art that comes from his religious freedoms.

If they were refused a simple vanilla cake - the other side would have had a leg to stand on.

However you can put ifs and buts in one hand, and crap in the other, and see which one gets filled up first.

Doesn't change the fact you are arguing he broke the law, when there wasn't a law to break. The only thing in this case that would have broke the law, was forcing the baker to make art on the cake.

The highest court in all the world agrees with me.

You have a few posters on a message board that agree with you.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
That has nothing to do with being able to deny people the same good and services as everyone else based on color or sexuality.


Oh yes it does. Those people get exceptions due to their religious beliefs. This is because their religion extends beyond their church to their lives. They live their religion.

I'm sure that if the dems ever get their dream of a one party system, they will remove ask those pesky rights you complain about, but for right now, those people of religion are protected by law.


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Where did I say anyone broke the law? I said that I believe the law is wrong. I said that laws get overturned and changed all the time.

Decorating a cake is a service that bakery's provide. Religion is being used a s a weapon to deny gay people that same service due to their sexual orientation.

Religion was used as an excuse why black people should not get equal service as well. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.


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What exactly are they denying other people?

The point seems to go right over your head. I believe people should have religious rights and freedoms. Up until the point their beliefs infringe on the rights of other Americans.


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So, should conciencious objectors, quakers, jehovas witnesses, amish, and others be forced to serve in the military?


No one is forced to serve.
It's the very definition of volunteer army.

I think you might have been able to find a better talking point with a little more effort.


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So, should conciencious objectors, quakers, jehovas witnesses, amish, and others be forced to serve in the military?


No one is forced to serve.
It's the very definition of volunteer army.

I think you might have been able to find a better talking point with a little more effort.


It is now. It hadn't always been.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
What exactly are they denying other people?

The point seems to go right over your head. I believe people should have religious rights and freedoms. Up until the point their beliefs infringe on the rights of other Americans.


The point is going over yours. Let's change your statement. I believe gays should have rights and freedoms, up until it their rights infringe on the freedoms of other Americans.

Once again, this is "who's rights are right?" The scotus chose religious freedom.


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You do realize things change, right?

Did you miss the post where people used religious freedom to discriminate against black people too?

I guess you would have stood on the side of religious freedom then too.

Or did black people step on the rights of religious freedom when they fought for equal treatment?


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
You do realize things change, right?

Did you miss the post where people used religious freedom to discriminate against black people too?

I guess you would have stood on the side of religious freedom then too.

Or did black people step on the rights of religious freedom when they fought for equal treatment?


I've read passages in the bible against homosexual acts. I don't recall the same about color of people. A Christian will always have that to reference.


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In the Old Testament? The book for the Jews?

I must have missed the part about decorating a cake.

We are all sinners. Did you miss that part? So I guess if the baker doesn't serve sinners, he's out of business.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
In the Old Testament? The book for the Jews?

I must have missed the part about decorating a cake.

We are all sinners. Did you miss that part? So I guess if the baker doesn't serve sinners, he's out of business.


Leviticus and romans, as I recall. Don't most Christians follow both old and new testaments?


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Actually most Christians eat pork, so no.

So you missed the part where we're all sinners?


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Yeah even the anti-semites and anti-Christians elected DEMS in congress are protected by the law.... wheres the outrage by the the left

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Everyone should be protected from people making excuses to discriminate against them.


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HaHa that is hilarious calling openly anti semetic,anti americans. anti Christians victims WOW,A new low from you

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Christian values, family values and morality, they could never vote for someone who has spit in the face of all of their values.


This is the reason I call them Kristyunz... because there is absolutely nothing Christ-like about them or their behavior(s).





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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg

I've been here at PP a lot longer than you, my friend. I know these people, because they've already shown me who they are for years.

Please do not presume to preach to me in this fashion, or I may end up feeling about you the same way I now feel about someone I used to consider a friend. He and I will not be finding our way back to each other anytime soon, and I'd hate for us to end up the same way.

If you can't discern my troll posts from my sincere ones, PM me with a question first before making things public. I'll answer honestly. Take me on in public, and things will not go well. At all.



I am the person you used to consider a friend.

I disagreed with you, on a lot. I agreed with you often - on non political things. And in your opinion, that separated us. That's fine. I'm not preaching, I'm stating fact.

Perhaps you don't, or didn't, know me as well as you thought you did. That is not my fault.

You speak of people that are nose deep in Trumps sweaty jock..........???

No, sir, you didn't, and don't know me like you think you did.

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Outrage over 'offensive' black dolls designed to be abused

https://au.news.yahoo.com/outrage-over-o...-025148981.html

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Take a deep breath, little sjw snowflake.

There is absolutely nothing racist or hateful about some little yarn dolls that just happen to look like Jim Crow/pickaninny/coon caricatures. Yarn dolls designed to be bashed and mutilated. These dolls are for therapeutic purposes, promoting good mental health by giving people a constructive outlet for all those natural impulses that 'polite society' shuns.

Jeebus. Try to have a little harmless fun, and there's always some jerk who just has to toss his turd in the punch bowl.

Put your whistle away, race cop- this isn't racist because there's no such thing as racism at all.

smdh.



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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
Take a deep breath, little sjw snowflake.

There is absolutely nothing racist or hateful about some little yarn dolls that just happen to look like Jim Crow/pickaninny/coon caricatures. Yarn dolls designed to be bashed and mutilated. These dolls are for therapeutic purposes, promoting good mental health by giving people a constructive outlet for all those natural impulses that 'polite society' shuns.

Jeebus. Try to have a little harmless fun, and there's always some jerk who just has to toss his turd in the punch bowl.

Put your whistle away, race cop- this isn't racist because there's no such thing as racism at all.

smdh.



Let me see if I have this right: Somehow, this doll is the fault of all white people?


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You do not have this right.

Where do you come up with this stuff?
"All White people" is your invention.

I simply made the absurdist/sarcastic claim that there is no such thing as racism of any sort.

I think you just felt compelled to pipe up because of....





Malcolm Gladwell was right: satire often fails because it actually requires something from its audience.


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Yea, it is hard to nail satire. As George Carlin said, think about how dumb the average American is, then realize that half of all Americans are dumber than that...


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Outrage over 'offensive' black dolls designed to be abused

https://au.news.yahoo.com/outrage-over-o...-025148981.html


This makes me mad. I know I give black people crap for the constant whining, but this is legit offensive and whoever made it should spend a few weeks in jail for hate crimes.

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Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
You do not have this right.

Where do you come up with this stuff?
"All White people" is your invention.

I simply made the absurdist/sarcastic claim that there is no such thing as racism of any sort.

I think you just felt compelled to pipe up because of....





Malcolm Gladwell was right: satire often fails because it actually requires something from its audience.


Satire also requires something from the author. You were lacking.


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Don't blame me if the joke was written at NBA regulation while you were standing in a 10-ft hole.

pfffft.


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He just doesn't appreciate our sense of humor Clem. Yesterday it was me and today it's you.

I bet he thinks Tim Allan is funny though. But then again I do too.


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Don't blame me if the joke was written at NBA regulation while you were standing in a 10-ft hole.

pfffft.


Clem, you have to be almost over the top ridiculous to make proper satire. Your rant missed that.

Now ,if you had stated that you were taking the case of the pickaninny beating doll before the supreme court to seek the extermination of all white seamstresses, that would have been satire.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
He just doesn't appreciate our sense of humor Clem. Yesterday it was me and today it's you.

I bet he thinks Tim Allan is funny though. But then again I do too.


Pitt, it's more sarcasm than satire. Trust me, if you say anything funny on the board in the next few years, I'll quote it and admit it's funny.


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You don't recognize funny when you see it. So nobody really cares about your opinion in concern to what's funny.


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