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1st off, ya they had tape on him ... it took them 5 or 6 games to believe he was actually that bad a passer and they could put 9 men in the box ... he threw so badly they didn’t believe the tape ... *L* ..

I’ve QUALIFIED it almost every time .. i have almost always said IF he can learn to throw the ball even well below average he can be dangerous as long as he stays healthy ... i’m not sure how thats saying he will never improve and can’t succeed ...

Its even in the reply u responded too ... *shrugs* ...

He can definitely improve as a passer .. there’s no doubt in my mind he will cause he was that bad ... question is can he improve enough ... and then if he can can he stay healthy ...

As for Bake ... i said it the other day ... he’s DIFFERENT cause he is ... still haven’t made any predictions on his future other than to say i expect great things from him this year even if he regresses because of the talent around him ...

U see the catches OBJ and VG are making in practice .... Bake don’t need to be near as accurate as every other QB in the league with those two ... *L* ...

The one thing I will say is that it's pretty rare that a QB becomes more accurate in the NFL. I'm not saying slightly better because it does happen.

But in most cases QB's are drafted based on the accuracy they've shown in college. Because the speed of the game will be faster and the coverage will be even better in the NFL.

That's fair. We can leave it at that.

I just am very anxious for the season to start. Not much to talk about right now.

Here’s a question ...

Lamar or Kyler ... witch one and why ...

No idea. I haven't seen Kyler play in the NFL yet. I think he is a more accurate passer, but it's hard to evaluate qbs when they aren't asked to go through multiple progressions and make a lot of reads.

However, Murray better be superior. He was picked first overall and I think Lamar was picked 32nd or something like that.

I believe in 6 out of those 7 games, they played arguably the worst rush defenses in the NFL. (CIN, OAK, ATL, KC, TB, and CLE). I believe that contributed significantly to their success down the stretch.

Lamar or Kyler? Ill have to wait to see Kyler this season to answer that

Your not worried about size with all the running he’s gonna do? ...

He should know how to slide ... if your gonna play that style u best be able to slide ... especially with how small he is ...

I’d also be worried about his size (I am with Baker as well but Baker is more stout ... Kyler appears more thin)

I agree that Kyler has a much better chance than Lamar based off accuracy ...

I also am very curious about how this works out for the rats ... lamar is as an electric a runner as i’ve ever seen at that position ... S. Young is the only one that compares IMO but that man was an anomaly ... he was also one of the most accurate passers ever also ...

The rats are taking a HUGE CHANCE with this O ... it 100% revolves around weather Lamar can become accurate enough ... IF he can’t he’s done ... IF he can then he needs to stay healthy ... there running a true college RPO in the nfl with a QB that was accurate enough in college but very well may not be accurate enough for the NFL ...

CHRIS MOORE
WR, BALTIMORE RAVENS

The Athletic's Jeff Zrebiec singled out fourth-year WR Chris Moore as someone who has struggled early in Ravens camp.

Both coach John Harbaugh and owner Steve Bisciotti singled out Moore in the offseason as a player they expect to make a leap forward. But to this point, it hasn't been happening in the early camp practices. Zrebiec notes Moore's hands are iffy at best, and he's struggled to consistently catch the ball. Meanwhile, rookie Miles Boykin has been lights out and seems to be running laps around his receiver competition in Baltimore. Moore is in the final year of his deal.

SOURCE: The Athletic
Jul 29, 2019, 7:36 PM ET

MARK ANDREWS
TE, BALTIMORE RAVENS

The Athletic's Jeff Zrebiec reports second-year TE Mark Andrews has been the Ravens' "most dangerous and productive offensive player" at training camp.
Zrebiec notes Andrews looked lost at this time last year as a rookie, but things have obviously changed as he heads into year two. Andrews posted a 34-552-3 line as a rookie, one of the better first-year tight end outputs in league history, and looks poised to build on it. Andrews showed solid rapport with Lamar Jackson the second half of last year and in the playoffs. With the Ravens not having a whole lot at receiver, Andrews could realistically see 70-plus targets after getting 50 in 2018.

SOURCE: The Athletic
Jul 29, 2019, 7:31 PM ET

I expect Andrews to be their best receiving weapon.

For whatever reason, they are an organization that just has struggled to find WRs

LAMAR JACKSON
QB, BALTIMORE RAVENS

Lamar Jackson doesn't see himself running as often in 2019.

"I don't think I'll be running as much as I did last year," Jackson told NFL Network's Rich Eisen Thursday. The 2018 first-rounder logged more carries than any quarterback in NFL history last year but is bringing a "totally different" mindset to his sophomore campaign. Jackson noted that he's been throwing "way more" than running at practice and doesn't anticipate scrambling as much now that he's had a year to grasp the offense. The Ravens have been trying to sell us on Jackson's legitimacy as a passer all offseason, though the former Louisville Cardinal carries far more fantasy value as a run-first quarterback. Even if Jackson doesn't match last year's rushing output, we still expect him to carry the rock a good amount.

SOURCE: ESPN.com
Aug 2, 2019, 1:50 PM ET

I'll believe it when I see it.

exactly; it’s his default ... it’s how he plays and what sets him apart

Yup. It is the thing that got him where he is and created his value. It's who he is. I simply don't see him getting away from that and being successful.

Now, that said, it is exactly what he needs to do to be successful long term in this league.... I'm just not going to bet on him pulling it off, especially in a single offseason.

I absolutely hope he and the Ravens decide to have him pass more this season.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raven...ushing-numbers/

I was going to post the same thing. Lamar and his coach definitely not on the same page with that.

Come on, Cap. I get why cfrs would say that.......but, you?

It's the off-season. Talk is cheap.

A reminder...........the Rats were 6 and 1 w/Lamar as their qb including a victory over the 6 and 7 Baker Mayfield.

I don't know..........maybe we should wait until we beat him before we start talking smack.

Oh, and Cap..........you are not talking smack. That was for some of the other dudes on this thread.

You can't judge any QB in the NFL until after he takes his first real NFL hit.

If he lives and that extremely scared look is off his face within a month, then you can start judging him

Lamar made a great play here:

https://sports.yahoo.com/early-whistle-costs-browns-td-lamar-jackson-fumble-234641390.html

2nd Browns win in 2018 snatched away by the refs.

As I am reading this, his situation reminds me of the Slash experiment and Vick. Success for awhile, but then many folks minimized and contained what the talent could do. Let him run and throw, whatever; end of game, we need one point over them. I think our D may have some answers, but he can still be a hazard. Not going to live in fear of Harbaugh's predictions Make 'em cry.

Ya, lets blame the refs ... god forbid we look in the mirror and take accountability ... its so today, pretty much everyones doing it ... ... no doubt it was a BRUTAL CALL ... and we honestly don’t know if it cost us the W ... game plays out totally different after that if the refs didn’t blow it ...

Lets forget the following:

- bakes 3 picks ..
- the missed 40 yard FG ..
- the fact they ran through us like we weren’t even there In the first half ..
- the overpaid one VG having a TD bounce of his helmet ... i agreed with the sashiettes at that moment ... *L* ...
- the pass Bake threw behind VG that would have put us in FG range a play or two before the season ending pick .. and man was that an ”easy” pass ...

There’s a laundry list of mistakes we made that day .. and we still had a shot on the last drive ... DANG IT!!!

Yup.

The big takeaway there is that we handed them the W, the Refs just put the bow on it. Lamar had his moments.... for the first half. Once we adjusted, he was contained and ineffective.

Unless he grows enough as a player to effectively and consistently counter how we contained him, we now have his number. He will still make plays here and there, but he won't dictate play the way he did in that first half... especially since we've gotten better on D since then.

I don't care what you think.

I agree w/this. Btw.........when was that fumble? At the end of the game?

Right before the half ... on te very next play or maybe two VG defended a TD pass with his helmet ... BAD VG ... *L* ...

So yeah, the game could have played out differently because there was so much time left. Hard to say that one play "lost" us the game. It sure did contribute, though.

Sour.

The rats D takes yet another hit ... this is going to be a much different D this year than it was last .... and not in a good way ...

TAVON YOUNG
DB, BALTIMORE RAVENS

Ravens slot CB Tavon Young could miss the entire season with a neck injury.

Young suffered the injury in practice last weekend. It's a disc issue. Neck ailments can be career threatening, though coach John Harbaugh said that would not be the case with Young. The Ravens made 25-year-old Young the highest-paid nickel back in the league in February. Young missed all of 2017 with a torn ACL, and sat out the Ravens' Wild Card loss to the Chargers with a hernia. Cyrus Jones or perhaps even Brandon Carr would likely be the next man up. It's not a good situation.

SOURCE: Ryan Mink on Twitter
Aug 15, 2019, 10:53 PM ET

Not good news for them. Hope it isn’t a serious injury for the guy

Well, I've seen Lamar play, I haven't seen much of Kyler Murray play,

Still leaning toward Lamar, I'd have yet to be convinced Kyler Murrays game is going to translate into the NFL.

I could just throw a bucket of water on them, and wait.

The team that runs the best,
The team that runs the most effectively in the toughest times,
The team that can block and run all day on you, that kind of team is going to come out on top in division matchups in the NFL.

Our division? Look, when it comes to games in the division, ... in the NFL, division games are like games where everyone just says Cut the Barbara Streisand, it's time to get down to playing Football.
Real football.

Because the divisional teams know each other So well, the gimmicks don't cut it anymore, nobody's fooled.

And you just have to line up and say, We're coming for you, and you're not going to stop us, even though you know it's coming, because we're tougher than you.

That's football, that's the division, better to strengthen your own team.

Abraham Lincoln said, Spend an hour chopping the tree, and 7 hours sharpening the axe.

Great Lincoln quote, Throw Long. Very wise in our division. I have felt, especially under Hue that we were not prepped well for a game plan to start, and had little adjustment in the game.
But the dumb luck and 4th quarter losses galled me. Did I see much difference in Rat games, not all him alone, but the outcome was there. Hope we get a fair shake from the refs; can't control the zebras, after all. But I felt it was different with Freddie, not like Hue's "more of the same" season. I think we can get these guys with our "new" approach of more old-fashioned, hard-nosed football in our division.