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I think I see my breaking point closer on the horizon than in the past. If we look as bad against Cincy this week as we did last week and as we did last year against them at home, I think my breaking point will be much much closer.

You said it Toad. Some can remain optimistic all year and others of us are a tad more realistic...

Busy Tuesday for Seahawks


By Mike Kahn
Seahawks Insider

To say it’s been an eventful past three days would be an understatement.

The Seahawks started out slowly, and then looked very good in the second half of a 20-6 win over Tampa Bay Sunday, and now prepare for a rugged trip to the desert to face the NFC West-rival Arizona Cardinals this Sunday.

As if that wasn’t enough, Monday was spent figuring out the details for Tuesday’s trade of defensive end Bryce Fisher to the Tennessee Titans for an undisclosed pick, and then dealt another undisclosed draft choice to the Cleveland Browns for 24-year-old quarterback Charlie Frye, who actually started for the Browns Sunday in their 34-7 loss to Pittsburgh.

Seahawks president Tim Ruskell said there were a number of reasons they liked Frye coming out of Akron in 2005. Ironically, he went 18 spots ahead of their own third round draft choice, quarterback David Greene, whom the Seahawks just released at the end of training camp. At 6-4, 217, Frye set all kinds of record at Akron completing 913-of-1,436 passes (63.6%) for 11,049 yards, 64 touchdowns and 32 interceptions.

With the Browns, Frye started 19 of the 21 games, completing 354-of-567 passes (62.4 percent) with 14 touchdowns, 24 interceptions and a quarterback rating of 70.4. But it was clear after the opening game, which was finished by Derek Anderson, but it is clear the Browns want to quickly move to 2007 top draft choice Brady Quinn. And Quinn felt particularly close to Ken Dorsey, who they had released late in camp and the Seahawks had visited with him as well to be their third quarterback.

Not surprisingly, the Browns re-signed Dorsey after dealing Frye.

And Ruskell emphasized this has nothing to do with creating a situation that would allow backup quarterback Seneca Wallace to move outside to receiver and returning kicks in the wake of starting split end D.J. Hackett’s high right ankle sprain that could keep him out a month or so. This is just another experiment to see how a young quarterback such as Frye can adjust to coach Mike Holmgren’s offense and how they mesh.

“It’s not a big pool out there,” Ruskell said. “He was the best guy out there that still would be available that had some experience. The David Greene experiment didn’t work out. This is not about replacing Seneca. (Frye) is our third quarterback and Seneca is our second quarterback. Any guy who would come in and allow Seneca do other things would take time. Charlie was not brought in to do that.”

He also talked about how tough it was to part with Fisher, one of the first free agents he signed upon becoming president in the winter of 2005. But rookie defensive end Baraka Atkins had come along quickly, former Pro Bowl defensive end Patrick Kerney was signed as a free agent and 2006 second round draft choice Darryl Tapp had beaten out Fisher as a starter. Fisher had a career-high 9.0 sacks in 2005 and 4.0 last season; forced a fumble and recovered one during that time as well. But in the past two weeks Ruskell has also brought in Jason Babin, a pass-rushing defensive end from the Houston Texans, and Ellis Wyms from Tampa, who plays both defensive end and defensive tackle.

The glut of defensive linemen (10 plus one on the practice squad) allowed them to spring
Fisher free to essentially take the draft choice from the Titans and turn it into Frye.

“Bryce is a true pro,” Ruskell said. “He did everything that we asked and more. We wish him well and he’s going to a place where he’ll get even more playing time. He still feels like he can contribute and we think he can too.”

Because they liked Frye’s toughness, instincts and talent, the Seahawks felt it was worthwhile to bring him in as a new project with some games already under his belt. With the transition of offensive coordinators at Cleveland, the Seahawks staff believes he didn’t have the kind of consistency that would help him improve – so now he’ll get a chance under Holmgren, quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn and offensive coordinator Gil Haskell.

“We did say we wanted to go into the season with a third quarterback,” Ruskell said. “It didn’t happen. We liked our roster a week ago, we liked our roster two weeks ago and we like our roster now.

“Obviously (Frye) was real productive at Akron – his instincts, a tough guy, a winner … nothing that was outrageously special. But we all felt he has a chance to be a good starter in the league. I don’t know that the shot ever came at Cleveland staying with one coordinator long enough to bring him along. So we’ll see.”

Sorry got to disagree on that. We have the talent. Whether the problem is the coach or the players is the real question here. Butch Davis managed to get to the playoffs with a team full of scrubs (apparently we cut all of them), but yet we know he's a pretty poor coach (even worse GM). I can't help but think that some of the talent we threw out is doing ok in other cities.

I'm not out for Romeo's head...but honestly if Randy is pissed, and it sounds like he is, then it's just a matter of time.

After seeing what Holmgren did with Favre and Hasselbeck If there is anyone that can turn Frye into a starting caliber QB it's Holmgren.

Favre was a bad QB when he took over for the packers. He made horrible decisions (still does on occasion) and turned the ball over way too much. When Holmgren went to Seattle I think thats when Favre's numbers started to take a dip.

I never really liked Hasselbeck but Holmgren has help to make him a very solid NFL QB.

I'm not saying Frye will ever be as good as those other 2 but having Holmgren to teach him will definitely help.

Didnt Brian Russel go to Seattle? That would be an intersting conversation between him and Frye. "I wouldnt have looked so bad if your replacemant didnt get beat all day" I also wonder if Russel had any input.

As toad said I have reached my breaking point:

Crennel: Is horrible. I really hope we sign Jeff Fisher....Shoot I would even be happy with Marty......gulp....or even Cowher....

Savage: He better hope by the end of the year Quinn looks like the next big thing....if not we are in some serious trouble. Quinn has to be better than Dorsey or McFadden cause that's what we gave up to get him.

Frye: So long.....You were horrible as a starter...you may make a good backup tho.


Hey who is going to be available in the 2nd round and let's roll out FA lists cause we are going to need em....

Yes Russell is in Seattle also. So is Kevin Bentley...

I couldn't agree with you more. Holmgren is to Quarterbacks what Bill Walsh is to the WCO.

Good luck Charlie. You now have a good QB coach and the best LT in the league.

Where is all of this talent you speak of? I see some very talented guys on the team. KW, Wimbley, Jones, and Bodden to name a few but a couple of talented players doesn't make a TEAM. There are 53 roster spots on the team and of those 53 I am excited to see about 8 of them play. That isn't a talented team.

I'm not saying there isn't talent but there definitely isn't the talent level of a good team. Even the Raiders have talented players but they still can't compete with the other teams in the NFL.

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What exactly was it that Frye was good at? Patting the ball? 'Cause he did a damn good job of that.

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...and that only started near the end of last season.

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Rolling him out was basically the only time he did something.

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looks like you answered your own question right there.

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But even then he didn't always make the right throws or the right decisions.

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name me even one QB who makes the right decision 100% of the time

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No coach or offensive system is to blame for that.

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...and I didn't place blame on them. I merely said Charlie didn't fit the scheme they've devised.

hint: Sylvan Learning Centers can really help with that reading /retention issue of yours...

That's an odd twist. This isn't what you were saying before AT ALL!

Nope it wasn't..it's something I Iearned this morning.
I thought I said that in my post to Peen???
I still don't take back anything I said just because I found out somthing different.
I was on the cut DA thing..SO? U think I feel differently now?

He doesn't give us a BETTER chance to win..has he really done anything at all?
He hasn't put any points on the board LET alone win HOW MANY GAMES?

Even though I knew Frye was trade bait I didn't know Seattle had a offer on the table either.

Welcome back Toad! That was interesting reading but pretty much the same thing we said when we ran Garcia out of town and even a little like when we ran Couch out of town.
To the guy that wants to bet RAC will be here this year and next, please PM me. I have some land down by Mansfield, a pickup and a Beagal that will run rabbits right down the neck of your shotgun.

Well look who's back ; Been asking about you . Heard all kind of excuses about your Back, Job, Golf and last but not least Girl Friend .. Have you seen the new Fantasy Football Commercial " No excuse " ????????

.. Loved the one liner :

.. " For all his arm strength, Derek Anderson couldn't spell cat if you spotted him the C and the T......... Classic

.. Got hung up in Houston about three weeks ago : Thank You Continental . They put me up at the Amerisuites Hotel " No Bar " Dam Communists !!!!

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No, this is not worse, this gets us one step closer to the QB that should be on the field, BRADY QUINN. DA will eventually be the backup for Quinn. Glad to see Dorsey back on the team.

Well, looks to me like we are much closer to solving our QB situation.

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.....OK then,.....put BQ in now,.......problem solved.

welcome back frog *L* long time no speak! "ribbit" Nice read and very true on so many levels. I'm happy we're that much closer to Quinn but we should have decided this Anderson/Frye situation during preseason. Also, I completely agree with you about RAC, he has not shown me a damn thing as an HC. I'm not sure he ever will? Anyways, nice to see you back!

Welcome back.

TOAD,,,, so nice to see you return,,, lots of folks were asking about you including yours truly.. I see your in mid season form there bud

What you say is pretty much good stuff and it's hard to argue with, so I won't, but there are two points I'd like to bring up,,

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Savage dug Frye's grave when he gave up next year's top-5 pick for Quinn

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The seasons one game old,, when you say it's a top 5 pick, you can't possible know that, so maybe it's better just to call it what it is,, "a first round pick" and leave it at that..

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By the way, since I'm thinking about it, people need to consider what they are saying when they don't want Quinn to start. It's too easy to say that we're going all Tim Couch on him all over again

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I can't say to you that you don't know football, cause it's pretty clear that you do, but there are lots of way more experienced people out there saying it's better to let Quinn sit and learn as long as possible...

Another thought is this, it's not so much that Quinn isn't ready. He's a smart kid and I think he might just be, but I'm not certain that line is ready yet..

I know you kinda wanna think of it as an excuse for Frye's mess on Sunday, but it just so happens to be real. That line, while way more talented beyond anything we've had here since 1999, IS still gelling.. that's reality, not an excuse.

Frankly, I don't want to see Quinn behind that line for a few more games,,, just give them time to work together to develop some chemisty.. I'm confident that line will improve greatly over the next several games., Then put Quinn in and let the chips fall where they may..

OH, shall we not forget,, the last thing I want to hear is when Quinn finally does get in,, I don't want to hear chants of Derek Derek or Kenny Kenny..

This kid is a rookie, he's gonna make some mistakes,, we gotta give him some time.

OK,, those are my thoughts... I am now available for slings and arrows

j/c

So, we play Seattle in less than two months. Wouldn't it be in our best interest to change our playbook since Frye can basically give it to them by then? And, if we do, how does that affect what Anderson/Quinn currently know of it?

The whole object of our new playbook is to have no tendancies from certain formations. So even if they learned our entire playbook - somehow I don't think CF had it all down to memory anyways.

How are they to use it except to recognize a play that happens after the fact.

JMHO - but good point, probably also why trades within division rivals usually just don't happen.

Welcome back, Toad. Good to see you here again.

Don't want to get into the whole Savage & RAC debate here, but what I do want to say is that after a night's worth of reflection, this much is clear: at the start of this season, neither DA nor Charlie are or were ever "the guy". The QB competion was simply a devise to determine who could hold the fort long enough for Quinn to get some sideline experience. Due to the poor play on Sunday, they accelerated the "program" and moved Quinn up the depth chart. I am now firmly convinced that they plan on putting Quinn in as soon as possible. I also think it'll happen fairly quickly. Either DA goes down hurt because he can't get out of his own way, or he throws three picks in a game and is yanked. Whatever the case, it's bound to happen sooner rather that later and the FO and RAC know that and have finally admitted to themselves and each other that the only QB on the team with all the necessary tools is Brady and they need to get him in there soon, they're hoping DA can hold out for a few weeks to at least give BQ to opportunity to watch the divisional opponents from the sidelines but they know as well as we do that BQ is going in ASAP so no point in holding onto Charlie a day longer. They cut bait and they're moving on with an accelerated version of their "plan".

Ahh, I still like having ya back man,,, hope all is well with ya..

WECOME BACK

Frye, a 3rd rounder, is replacing Green, a 3rd rounder from the same draft who the Seahawks cut prior to the season.

Some QBs develop ... some don't .... and some you take a flyer on.



The Hawks took a flyer on Frye, probably using the pick they received from trading their bust DL.

I thought it deserved its own thread, but put it here

From starter to scout team in 48 hours: Stunned Frye arrives in Seattle

By GREGG BELL, AP Sports Writer
September 12, 2007



KIRKLAND, Wash. (AP) -- Charlie Frye fidgeted. He spun the ball between his hands. He pantomimed a throwing motion, complete with a hip turn and follow through.

All this, while quarterbacks Matt Hasselbeck and Seneca Wallace ran plays he'd never seen, in a place in which he knows almost no one.

When he finally got the chance to join his new Seattle Seahawks teammates in a huddle, Frye didn't even get to run their plays. He peered up to read diagrammed schemes of the Arizona Cardinals, the Seahawks' opponent this week. A coach was holding those up from the pages of a three-ring binder for 11 practice squad prospects and reserves.

From NFL starter to scout team ... in 48 hours.

"It is a little shocking," Frye said, still appearing stunned after his first practice since the Cleveland Browns traded their starting quarterback to the Seahawks for a sixth-round draft pick.

Since the NFL and AFL merged in 1970, no quarterback had ever started an opener and been traded before Week 2.

"It's never happened? Really?" Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said.

As Frye said, "There is a first time for everything."

Seattle's Gil Haskell is the Frye's fifth offensive coordinator since 2004, his senior season at Akron.

"I'm going to have a pretty balanced football IQ. There isn't an offense that I won't have at least a little bit of experience in," the 24-year-old Frye joked.

"I'm just trying to find the positives. That's just the way I am. Coming out here, being with coach Holmgren and his track record with quarterbacks, and being with Matt and Seneca, I think it's going to be a positive situation for me."

Eventually, perhaps. But not immediately.

It's going to take weeks just for Frye to learn Seattle's plays. When he does, Hasselbeck will still be starting. And Wallace, who went 2-2 when Hasselbeck was injured last season, will be the backup.

Before being benched -- and traded -- Frye was 4-for-10 with one interception and five sacks in less than one half of Cleveland's embarrassing, 34-7 loss at home to Pittsburgh on Sunday. The Browns then decided Derek Anderson, now, and Brady Quinn, soon, was their answer at quarterback. Frye left Cleveland 6-13 as a starter.

"If I was him I would feel kind of bad about that whole deal," Holmgren said. "He said, 'I'm so excited to be there.' I said, 'Well, I appreciate that. But you are probably a little shocked, aren't you?' And he goes, 'Yeah.' And then we got down to it, how he really felt.

"I've been around quarterbacks a long time, and that would a hard one to deal with. We will bring him along. He's a bright guy. And I think there is a little bit of a period here where he has to figure out what happened. And then once that's happened, we'll start teaching him our stuff."

On Wednesday, quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn was showing Fyre the fundamentals of footwork in Holmgren's intricate West Coast offense. Zorn also explained the plays Hasselbeck was running with the first-team offense. Zorn and Frye then stayed on the field running plays with four reserve receivers for 20 minutes after practice.

"I think it will be humbling for him at first. I know it is," Zorn said.

Frye would say only of his Cleveland days, "I think when you put a lot of time in something and really dedicate yourself to something, you want to see the other side of it. But this is the NFL. Change happens all the time and you just have to take advantage of your opportunities."

Frye did find one familiar face in Seattle. Safety Brian Russell played the previous two seasons in Cleveland.

"For him, I'm sure it's awkward. Just crazy," Russell said. "But this is probably a blessing in disguise for him."


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-seahawks-frye&prov=ap&type=lgns

i dream one day we get a coach like holmgren, he's just a class act all the way around

Anybody want to get a Number 5, Frye, Seahawks Jersey??? I don't remember what Kosar's Dallas number was, but I have seen his Dallas Jersey a couple of times...

i thought kosar was #18 in Dallas, i could be wrong.

I wish Frye the best of luck in Seattle.

No.

I wish Charlie well & good luck to him, but he's no longer a Brown.

Its not as bad as when Butchie left. In 99, the Browns won less games but I still watched all the games all the way thru because the players were still playing to win. When Butch left, the players gave up and it was the first time ever that I couldnt watch a game to the end looking for positives. There were none.

Seahawks | Frye throws two interceptions in practice Wednesday
Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:52:27 -0700

Frank Hughes, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports Seattle Seahawks QB Charlie Frye threw two interceptions during 7-on-7 drills Wednesday, Sept. 12. Frye also threw a deep touchdown pass during the practice.

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl


Just an FYI for those interested.