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USA today:

The President was Right About Baltilmore

Ask yourself honestly: Would you ever consider living in West Baltimore? And are you a racist if you say no?

Baltimore ranks in the top 10 of the least livable cities in America. Until this week, it was not controversial to point that out. But now that President Donald Trump has tweeted about Baltimore, it seems as though anyone who criticizes the awful conditions there is opening themselves up to charges of prejudice.

The flap began last week when Rep. Elijah Cummings, whose 7th district covers much of Baltimore City, lashed out at acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan at a hearing on conditions inside illegal alien detention centers. “What does that mean when a child is sitting in their own feces, can’t take a shower?” Cummings shouted. “Come on, man. What’s that about?”

President Trump responded with tweets saying Cummings’ district was “FAR WORSE and more dangerous” than the detention facilities, “a disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess.” The president suggested Cummings focus more on cleaning up this “dangerous & filthy place” than on bullying in hearings about the border issue.
The accusations of racism continue

The president’s remarks were immediately denounced as racist by Democrats and the usual frantic pundits, even though the tweets had no racial content. Trump responded that “Democrats always play the Race Card, when in fact they have done so little for our Nation’s great African American people.”

More on Cummings' story:Donald Trump's depressing racist vitriol brings out the worst in too many Americans

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said Sunday that it was “unbelievable that we have a president of the United States who attacks American cities.” But it was perfectly fine four years ago when Sanders said during a visit to West Baltimore, "Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood … would think that you were in a Third World country."

Sanders’ comment came in the wake of riots sparked by death of Freddie Gray while in police custody. Articles from that period routinely cited the city’s endemic poverty as a root cause of the rioting. A typical 2015 report from the Associated Press noted that Baltimore “struggles daily with pervasive poverty and widespread joblessness, failing schools, drug addiction, a crumbling infrastructure and corruption.”

President Barack Obama said then that difficult conditions in Baltimore required national “soul searching” — because the $1.8 billion stimulus bonanza he had lavished on the city didn’t seem to solve anything.

Many Americans probably imagine West Baltimore as the gritty, open-air drug mart portrayed in HBO's “The Wire,” and they aren’t that far off. Last year, USA TODAY reported that “Baltimore is the nation's most dangerous big city.”

The poverty rate is over 22%, and the population is shrinking. The city’s politics are riven with endemic corruption — former Mayor Catherine Pugh resigned in disgrace this May. She's the third Baltimore mayor in a row to leave in the wake of intense scandal. Baltimore is dotted with thousands of vacant buildings, and as for rodents, exterminator Orkin listed Baltimore in the top 10 of its annual survey of “rattiest cities.” The 1970s promotional nickname “Charm City” is as ironic as ever.
The city's premier newspaper failed to represent its own territory accurately

The Baltimore Sun rose gamely to the city’s defense against President Trump, editorializing that Baltimore is better than you think, citing inter alia “the beauty of the Inner Harbor or the proud history of Fort McHenry.” (Note that the gentrified Inner Harbor neighborhood is one of the whitest neighborhoods in the city at 68%, so maybe not a great example for the Sun’s purposes.)

“If there are problems here, rodents included,” the newspaper claimed, “they are as much (Trump’s) responsibility as anyone’s, perhaps more because he holds the most powerful office in the land.”

It is a bit of a reach to argue a president in office since 2017 bears more responsibility for city sanitation issues than the local congressman elected to his safe seat in 1996. Maybe the people of the 7th district just need a more effective champion.

Readers sound off:Despite Trump's cruel and racist taunts, I have hope for America

It’s hard to say when this latest tweet-based freakout will subside. Will Democrats carry the #WeAreAllBaltimore banner into the 2020 election? Is Baltimore now the model city they will present to the country as the representative product of Democratic social and economic policies in action? Good luck with that.

Critics can continue to shout about racism, but that is no replacement for a rational discussion about the problems of poverty, crime, drug abuse, family breakdown and lack of educational attainment. A job-creating economy will do more in the long run to help the people of Baltimore than endless political posturing about race. It probably already has.

So, what Trump tweeted and said IS correct. And not racist.

And then you do the 'what about' thing. What about Trump's son in law.

Ah, so now they're trying to excuse what he is saying it's only "parts of Baltimore".

In that case it is true. But that's not what Trump said. As with any city there are good areas and bad areas. So what Trump did was paint an entire city with a broad brush so his followers would swallow it whole and now the story changes.

His son in laws properties are IN Baltimore. Isn't that where Trump was talking about?

And no, what Trump said was not true. There are very nice parts of Baltimore. There are bad parts of Baltimore. He painted the entire city with a broad brush that paints a picture that is nowhere close to true.

But you just keep doing you....

Jarrod has Mice???

You must not have read where everyone that doesn't live in a Jarrod apartment and lives in Cummings district HAS RATS!!!

Does Jarrod have apartments in Cummings district?

Read and learn 40cent. Yet another one from your side who wants me to do their homework.

It's not homework we want, it is just some truth to your posts for a change. You post a hit piece from Vanity Fair and cry when others post from Breitbart.

Mice? I admit that was pretty funny.

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/07/29/jared-kushner-baltimore-properties-mice-infested/

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-jared-kus...lations-1451479

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/trum...hner-properties

There are a lot more where those came from.

So, what Donald said was correct. Thanks.

You are a peace of work.

All those articles come from the same hit piece by then Baltimore County Executive Kevin Kamenetz.

No it wasn't. Is English your second language?

Trump described "Baltimore" that way. Not just parts of it. What if someone described all the people in your area based on comments that pertained to drug addicts in your area. Would you say that the drug addicts in your community accurately describes you and your family?

This isn't complicated.

I’m not trying to make a point ... i was genuinely curious as to if u knew what prompted trumps truthful yet brutally worded tweets ... motive means a ton to me in instances like this ...

When u said in a post after my question or we were tying at the same time ... u said u could give trump credit for nothing ... ever ...

that tells me your a very intelligent, good dude that dislikes our president so much it doesn’t matter what he does you will never give him credit ... i will still ask questions of u cause you act civil and are a smart, good dude IMO ... i’ll just avoid certain types of questions and know just how “open minded” u are ....

That may come across as me taking a shot at u ... i’m not ... not even close .... i respect U and how u handle yourself in here ...

Trump was pointing out how bad Cumming's District was in Baltimore. He said we send billions in federal money to Baltimore each year so how is it Cumming's District is so bad?

And Mice are not Rats.

Neither are maggots and mold.

I adamantly oppose the notion that just because you are moderate, that means you have no convictions. This notion gets passed around a lot on here that if you aren't solidly right/or solidly left, that somehow means you are wishy washy.. I have very strong convictions, they just don't align with the current right or current left consistently.

Yeah, it seems that common sense has become a bad thing. That only extremes from both sides have validity..... by some.

I agree. I know I'm hard on people who won't pick a side; but being centrist and or looking for centrist or moderate solutions should not be consider lessor in anyway. It's a shame that moderates and centrist feel the need to vilify the true left and true right for believing in a more pure partisan approach. Getting called extreme and extremist is getting old fast, seeing as how that is what has been used to describe terrorist for years. I think the opinions of the 'far' left are just as valid as those center left. Same on the right.

I would make one exception to the above statement and that is when political ideals become justification for things like bigotry, hate speech, and unAmerican forms of government like autocracy and fascism. I know somebody will want to add socialism to that short list feeling butt hurt on the right, but we have always had socialism in the country in our public policy. Ben Franklin pushed libraries and Community Fire Fighting as examples of some of the first. I'm sure slavery will be brought up as an example of white supremacy or part of the or American way back then... It was, but we fought that war and outlawed it for the harm it done, unlike socialism.

Having to have a solution that everybody agrees on is extreme. That's why so many problems go unresolved. Stop relating the far left to extremism like they are terrorist.

Extremist;

a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views, especially one who resorts to or advocates extreme action.

Now if you choose to take that out of context or to equate that to terrorism that would be you taking it out of context, not me.

You know damn well that term has been tainted with its use describing terrorist. Don't try to play that game with me. The right has mastered the use of these innuendo attacks.

So you've never heard of right wing extremists? I guess the liberals mastered it too.

You have decided to attach something to it that it doesn't mean. That's not my intent and I believe that both parties have an extremist element to them. And i plan to post that when I find it appropriate to do so.

The kumbaya center is extremist too by that definition bro. They do not tolerate the true left/right.

I don't take it as you taking a shot at me. But no, I honestly can't give the man any credit other than his ability to manipulate the media and distract the country. I admit that he's very good at that.

Why can't I give him credit? Even if you remove the race baiting or xenophobic remarks that are being debated in here and in our media, this man is captured on tape admitting to sexual harassment and assault. That to me makes him void of anything I want to be around, listen to or respect, let alone sitting in the highest office! Sorry. That's the plain & simple truth for me, at least. Nobody will convince me otherwise. As a father, husband, friend, ally...somebody trying to be a decent human being it really bothers me. Add to it the race and general intolerance issues and I find it toxic and very sad for our diverse, rich country.

That said, I think Republicans in office who don't stand up to him are even worse because they are not only moral less, but also spineless and pathetic.

I guess you could see it that way.

But if you think about it, we're actually asking both extremes to come up with something that makes sense for everyone. It's like with college tuition.

Some seem to think from one side that putting most all of the burden on the taxpayer to foot the bill for college tuition is the route to take.

I think that's an avenue that the right will never walk down. So to ever pass something like that you would have to take control of the house, the senate and The White House. That's not likely to happen. Even if it did, as soon as the GOP takes over it would be repealed and we would be right back at square one.

By making all college loans tied into the prime interest rate, paying for two years of free community college and capping tuition of all state and community funded colleges and universities, you greatly reduce student debt, you put a much smaller burden on the tax payers and it would be much harder to overturn because it would be a much more popular idea.

Now that may require the government to supply the loans rather than simply guarantee the loans because that would take the profiteering out of it. But let's face it, that's nothing more than semantics.

Now will that make college tuition zero? No. Would it be a vast improvement for college students? Yes.

So actually it's a middle ground that may stand the test of time and it would take concessions from both sides. I won't try to speak for everyone who calls themselves a moderate. But I want solutions that won't be fought over and tossed back and forth every time the two parties change power. And I don't think either extreme in politics is offering that right now.

Probably because that's all they hear from the msm. People are too lazy to read anything other than headlines, and the msm is full of crap headlines.

It seems the Right is suddenly emboldened. Lots of recent posts from that "side."

Diam, you asked this question:



We all know what triggered his attack. Now, I have a question for you.

Do you think that is how the President of the United States should be behaving? Do you think perhaps he should concentrate more on fixing our problems rather than getting into a "he started it" childish debate w/others?

j/c - I think, just like the idea of running on how bad Trump is, the Democrats and the left wing media need to move on and not make everything about racism. That's just going to turn people off after a while .... the tweets against AOC and the other 3 were racist: they were said to a specific audience based on the color of their skin and wouldn't have been said to white politicians/person .... the Baltimore thing is just Trump being crass and a bully and divisive .... I don't read racism into it. Move on. Focus on what's important.

Look Pit compromise is good and the way to go when you have two parties that are willing to be honest partners... When was the last time you saw a GOPer give so much as an inch? At some point you just have to take charge, be the adult and do what's right for the country.

I’ll be more than happy to answer your questions .... u first ....

What was it that triggered his tweets? ... i want specifics ...

U think i’m all of a sudden emboldened .... ... its like u don’t know me at all ... this is behaving like an adult and asking questions to try and understand instead of the bovine jackass i behaved like before ...

I’ll chat u can do the snarky ...

The emboldened comment was not directly solely at you. It just seemed that there were several posts from the right while many of the guys on the left were staying quiet. It was not an attack on you.

I said we all know why Trump went after him and others. He felt that they were attacking him and he decided to fire back on them.

Thus, that is why I asked you the questions I did. Do you think that is how the POTUS should act? I get that guys on this board do it all the time, but should our President lower himself to such standards?

They were attacking him but thats not what prompted the tweet attack ... the day before or earlier that day Cummings said some despicable things at a hearing to either the director of ICE or Homeland Security ... it was one of those guys ... the way he talked to him was SICKENING ... a 100% thouroughly emberrasing dressing down that had no basis in reality and was as far below the belt as u can get ....

he accused of him of having no heart and asked him if he condoned the way the “asylum seekers” are being treated ... do u have kids? ... how can u be so inhumane, how can u not care? ... he asked those “questions” in a 3 minute running diatribe ... dude looked like he was about to cry ... you’d of got up and punched him and no one would have blamed u ...

Trump went after him right after he attacked someone in his admin and that was the last straw ... if it wasn’t for how they go after him and his family members in public and through the courts he may not have done it ... but what Cummings did was SICKENING and was solely for the camera ...

Of course I don’t think thats how our president should behave ... i’m not nor have i ever condoned his behavior ... no one else would know that ... u just asked me the very first question I’ve ever been asked in here ... Pit tells me how i feel and think all the time when he has NO CLUE what so ever cause he ASSumes he knows ...

Mr. President is a penchelant child with no discipline ... NONE .... he pees me off plenty with his tweets cause our president needs to be above that ... I LOVE the fact he fights back and doesn’t eat the lefts crap but he could do that THE RIGHT WAY ... he chooses not too ... that SUCKS ... he’s his own worst enemy ... he’s done so much more than most even know ...

In your other post u asked me shouldn’t he be doing his job instead of engaging in crap like that ... i don’t think thats the case at all ... hate him all u want all he does is work ... he puts plenty of time in doing his job ... i’m not sure if you’ve realized all he’s gotten done ... dude works his arse off ...

I wish he would change his behavior but he’s in his 70’s and he doesn’t seem to have any flexibility with his brutal tweets ... there gonna keep coming regardless and thats a shame ..

Oh come on. For years I've heard republicans complain that their elected officials never defend themselves. Most of them would instantly apologize or resign after being accused, falsely or not, of anything. Trump is the first one since Reagan to fight back, and people keep complaining.

Trump is right about balt. Obummer gave that city 1.8 billion after the freddy gray riots. Where did it go? Why does Cummings have two completely different demographics in his distict?

Dividing the country works w/a certain part of the country, but I believe that more people are hopeful that the "sides" work together rather than promote hate and bias.

I didn't see you comment on that during the obummer years. When the left uses terms like "white nationalists" or calls us all racists, is that dividing the country too? How about that "basket of deplorables"? White nationalist is just their new term for nazi, so they don't have to use the word nazi. What about white hispanic, when they called Zimmerman white before they knew his backround? Have you ever read the lefts comments on black or homosexual conservatives?

What part of the country is that?



I’ve hoped for that for the last 30 years ... about 20 years ago i used to say it appears to me they go on TV and take opposite stance on every issue and rip each other with absurd insults and then go have a few beers together and *L* at us .... i’m Not sure anything’s changed other than they can’t go out together cause of social media ...

And the ironic thing Vers ... u can’t stand trump but he’s the only one willing to work with the other side ... he’ll work with anyone ... he’s proven that ... even in this case ... he’s said he’d love to go to b-more with Cummings and work on the issues with him ... no response as far as i know from Cummings yet ...

Trump has performed admirably these past three years.

If he comes any where close the next 4 years, he will definitely be remembered as one of the greatest presidents of all-time.

If we actually put a woman on the moon in 2024...

I see 8chan posters are back. Maybe somebody could post something from Stormfront telling us how Trump is not racist. Or Breitbart... smh

This place looks more and more like those sites all the time.

He went off on Cummings because Cummings questioned Kevin McAleenan and somewhat berated him in a house oversight committee hearing over family separations and conditions at the border. He didn't actually say any thing directly to Trump. This part specifically.