DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Bob Wylie Speaks ........

The only thing that matters, at all, is how the team performs moving forward. Everything else is noise designed to elicit a response, none of this nonsense is capable of eliciting action, so it's pointless. Maybe someday, some sports historian will write an essay on the reemergence of the Browns and this may be a minor footnote. Beyond that, it has no value.

I think that is a very good point. As long as the Browns are successful w/Dorsey, Freddie, and Baker.......none of this matters at all.

Note that all Wylie said is that Zampese COACHED Baker.

He was the QB COACH. Duh.

The author of the article took this and made the statement
"...Kenny Zampese was the MASTERMIND behind the Browns’ explosive offense in the final eight weeks of the season."

Wylie said no such thing. Terrible hyperbolic click bait reporting.

Sadly it worked on me lol

I didn't hear the interview.

Are you saying MKC added the mastermind part?

Hate this kind of story/interview, also don't care for MKC's habit of trying to manufacture drama. What is the point and purpose here? Even if Wylie is on point and FK is <Zampese
for "masterminding" BakerBall, so what? Hue is out and so are the others. This just in: Still gone. We have plenty in front of us to concern us; last season's losses and melodrama are not in front of us. So why is this an interview focus, other than to manufacture more negativity aimed at the Browns. I get all of that I can stomach by the "experts" and "analysts" on NFL coverage on TV. I ignore the cheap shot crappy "analysis" that is really unfair to the current squad and coaches. Dumb to recite playoff drought, too many stars, too many egos, and the litany is ongoing against us.

The job of a beat writer today is to aggregate news from other sources and regurgitate it in a way people can understand then hope people click the link. If you fall into a story, like MKC did with Hue last year, great.

Her job is to report news about the Browns. A former coach said something about the current GM, head coach, and QB. That is news.

It is odd how such comments are perceived on this board. It often hinges strictly on who is making the comments and who those comments are about.

Haley just came out and said he was trying to get Haslam to pull the plug on "Hard Knocks" and Hue was all for it because he thought he could make himself look better with more face time on camera.

One sign of a bad organization is the amount of dirty laundry that gets aired in the aftermath.

Hue was Hue's biggest supporter.

In some cases that is a good thing.

J/c

MKC is no better or worse than most other beat writers. It’s very evident why she is so despised by so many Browns fans.

Do you mean it's because she's a woman?

That's not why I can't stand her work. She's a muckraker, a poor writer and her articles are too long-winded. She needs an editor.

Wylie was fun to watch and listen too,, but it's clear to me that he has some hard feelings.. I think this is not worth too much.

This is classic.

We as fans shouldn't give this the energy or time of day. As Baker said when he first came in..."I don't care what happened before, It's about what happens now" (or something to that effect). Same with this story...it's nonsense and total crap that means nothing at this point in time or the current juncture that the team sits at. Let's all (esp the journalists!) move past this nonsense, look forward and focus on what will be, not what potentially was.

I think people should formulate their own thoughts and opinions on a subject rather than be told what to think. For example, I am totally cool w/someone saying:
"I am not going to give this the energy or time of day." I think folks should be allowed to express that opinion even if I don't totally agree w/it. However, it irks me a bit when one says: "We as fans shouldn't give this the energy or time of day." I just don't like being told what to think. I'm capable of making up my own mind.

Ok man. Not sure why you have to turn it into yet another spar and arm wrestling competition. All I am saying is it is a waste of time and energy to focus on the people who are not even here and were fired for a reason. I am focused on the present and the future. But you do you and I will do me. Cool? Cool.

I wasn't trying to fight w/you. I guess it might have to do something that I was alive at a time in our country where independent thought was encouraged. I was young when the hippies started their protests and were willing to get things changed in this country, but I always supported independent thinking over "we have to think...."

Perhaps you just misspoke and did not intend your comment to come out that. I already considered that and I wasn't being snarky. I promise. And I have no problem w/you thinking that it's a waste of time for you to think about what Wylie said. That's your right. I might think the same thing. I might not. But, I'll make my own choice.

Peace.

I'm older than you probably think. I have a 21 year old and a 19 year old. And, I teach so I encourage independent thought, problem solving and critical thinking skills.

My point being that I don't believe these type of stories are any of the above...they are journalists stirring the pot because there isn't much else to talk about. It's no different than Cowherd constantly bringing up the flag planting, the crotch grabbing the running away from cops w/Mayfield. It's drama for the sake of drama. Let's move forward.

But, whatever. I'll leave this conversation for others and focus on the current team and coaches in Berea & Cleveland.

Peace.

Freddie Kitchens on former OL coach Bob Wylie

It seems Freddie didn't get your message.

What's amazing is i keep on thinking about Bob from What About Bob. Turns out, Bill Murray's character is Bob Wiley. Vs our Bob (Bob Wylie).

I'm sorry but, honestly, i'm quite sick of hearing from Bob Wylie already. The guy seems salty. He was good for a laugh, but I wasn't that impressed of him as a coach from what i saw on Hard Knocks.

I think this Campen guy will do us just fine.


And we're getting opinions on Freddie and last year from the guy who's butt hurt because he didn't get rehired. I'm sorry Bob. We've moved on.

This is pretty much how i feel about the whole thing at this point. Just go away Bob!

Actually, if you listen to his entire answer it seems he did. He says exactly what I am saying. IT DOESN'T MATTER. Let's focus on what really does matter.

Amen.

Bob and Freddie were on the same page last year. WTF happened???? Bob You know better you old fart

J/C

Freddie was pretty blunt (and good) IMO. Seems like there was a big divide with coaches/loyalty and that some in the organization were back stabbers

To me this is nothing more than an indication of the complete and total dysfunction we had last year.

Last year. This is a new year, a new season, and a new regime. Whether we win our not this season, this story is unrelated to anything associated with the current team

Oh i agree with you in regards to moving forward. But let's be honest here, the whole "I visited him in the hospital.... I faced time Bob every time before a game.....Bob knows, blah, blah blah....."

Come on PDX, he went on about "Bob" quite a bit. Let's not pretend he stopped with his opening comment.

Because he was asked a question by a media reporter. He then was respectful of Bob and then ultimately in 90 secs came around to..."if you don't wear brown and orange, you don't matter". Bob Wyle doesn't wear orange and brown. Full stop. Period. End of conversation. Good on him. It's nonsense. And, you can tell the more he thought about it the more PO'd he was with the question considering the nearly 40k fans at a practice and the fact that all proceeds went to charity. Now THAT'S the real story.

So he took 90 seconds to say "He isn't here anymore so it doesn't matter".

It's an odd thing these days. People wish to blame the response to a question because someone was asked a question.

It sounds like Freddie let it get to him for a second before he reigned himself back in. He sounds pissed/hurt.

The other thing I really want to say is THANK GOD this came out now vs the beginning of the offseason. I can't even imagine how brutal it would've been to have everyone getting wound up over this over the past couple months.

We'll see very soon how much of what Wylie said is true.

I sometimes liken this Dawgtalkers experience to being trapped in a bad episode of the Twilight Zone...

I find it entertaining.

There are alot of people who spend alot of time on here. They are the most entertaining.

No, it's more like people saying he can't let "it" go when he's responding to a direct question about "it".

j/c:

I am going to give my opinion on the Wylie situation. I am NOT telling anyone to agree w/me. I am not even asking anyone to agree w/me. It's just me voicing my own personal opinion.

If the Browns win big under Freddie and Dorsey, what Wylie says will mean absolutely nothing.

If the Browns lose this upcoming year and there are coaching questions, than Wylie's quotes will carry a bit more weight w/me.

I'm hoping for the former.

One thing about Wylie....was it him who chose to start Desmond Harrison? If so, how could he not see that Robinson was better? I mean, he is paid to coach and evaluate and (I assume) inform the HC as to who the best 5 lineman are to start from week to week.

If that was Freddie's decision to make the change from Harrison to Robinson that to me says it all about Wylie as a coach (and/or Hue's decisions on weekly roster evaluation).

I think it was Hue's decision. And it wasn't Freddie's decision to start Robinson over Harrison. Harrison was injured or sick or something and missed a couple of weeks so they inserted Robinson. He played well enough that they didn't switch back.

Btw......Harrison was not a bad player. He is just a head case. He had a ton of potential.

Never said DH was a bad player, but the numbers speak. Tyrod got hit a lot and Baker was getting hit a lot too. His number of hits dramatically went down with Robinson in and Freddie's playcalling.

I guess I am wondering more about how good a coach Wylie actually was. Correct me if I'm wrong...wasn't he in the CFL when he came to CLE? And, before that he was in Oakland. Was he Hue's guy in OAK? If so, that may have something to do with all this nonsense. He also became a big character via 'Hard Knocks', but so did Cajuste and where is he now? The public just liked Wylie's colorful personality, his lack of physical fitness telling guys "stretching is overrated" & his gut moves with "Hut Hut". But, honestly....was he/is he any good? I don't know? Guess we will find out w/Campen in charge.

Wylie was the OL coach under both Hue/Haley and Williams/Freddie. He was always a well-respected OL coach. GM even started a thread about him that accentuated how good he was.

I get the need to knock him because he said something we don't like, but I'm not going to be part of that movement.