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You are too busy laying down the snark to merit my time.

Answer the 100 round magazine question.

Goodbye. Come at me when you get a clue.

It's not a problem.
It's a side effect.

True.

No worries, I'm definitely not the lEaRn HoW tO pOsT guy.

Why bringing me into this? ... where’d that come from? what beef u got with me?

And the silence coming from the GOP majority leaders in the senate means they don’t want to look for answers. We need to demand action from our leaders. Instead the gop sheep claim there is no answer while they deflect knowing full well trump is part of the problem.

Agree 100%. Unfortunately, in the age we live in, there is no way to "deglamorize" the event. So these losers, many bullied in the same social media circles that will soon gasp at their actions, fulfill their fantasy for fame and revenge. It builds in their head until the act itself seems to be the only logical choice. They convince themselves they are everything the bullies said they are if they don't "flip the switch".

I often wonder how different things would be if we refused to publish their names or show pictures of their crimes.

Developing story. Trump to visit El Paso after the racist fueled deadly mass shooting.

Not a good idea. IMO

I checked out your old link - and it doesn't really provide much context other than to provide a sound bite. Here is another 2019 chart

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/mass-shootings-by-country/

The US is 10th on the list ... it sounds like you think that's an achievement and good? coming in behind countries like Honduras, Swaziland and Columbia .... yeah no Mass Shooting problem here right? Those are all countries the USA should be proud to compete with?

Another old article that charts the numbers of gun deaths in 'Wealthy Nations' shows a different trend.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-statistics/index.html

I don't know about anyone else but personally I'd feel more comfortable trying to emulate Holland, Spain or Germany rather than suggesting the Mass Shooting issue isn't a problem because the Drug Cartel countries are worse than the USA....

Another interesting read and data - without any judgement on what's right or wrong - is here:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

The chart 1/3 of the way down showing total gun deaths 2016 is (for me) interesting .... 36,000+ deaths. of those 'only' 71 were mass shootings .... Just me, but the 36,0000 is of as much interest as the 71.....

I agree with Clem - and I think he's being straight - generally the price of the USA's gun regulations and right to bear arms is the huge numbers of gun deaths each year and the "Relatively high - especially compared to other 1st world nations" number of mass shootings (fixed it for you Eve). The outpouring of sympathy by those that advocate no change or limit to gun regulations is fake or temporary at best. Again -- the rest of the wealthy/1st world nations on the planet are facing the SAME side issues from society - outcasts, internet, video games, immigrants, etc etc ..... but it is the USA that has the gun death / mass shooting issues among comparably wealth/western nations.

You mean Toledo, don't you?

J/C....

There are mentally ill people all across the world.

In 1st world nations like Canada, Europe, Australia/NZ, Japan, Korea there are violent video games (even if they are banned, it is easy to get them).

These countries also have access to the same movies (even if films like "Child's Play" is banned...you can get ahold of it). Btw, "Child's Play" was initially banned in the UK due to a horrific kidnapping and murder of a toddler by two young kids.

You also have angry people who are disaffected, no jobs and don't feel part of their society in all of these countries.

In some of these countries you have access to handguns, and in many of these countries you have access to hunting rifles and shotguns.

Yet, these events only happen REGULARLY in the USA (please don't cite some random attack in _________ 1st world country as a comparison. I am saying on a REGULAR/DAILY basis where there are 40k a year who are shot).

There is no way that somebody can say the 2nd amendment and the availability of these types of military assault style weapons doesn't have something to do with this insanity.

If either of these guys had knives or even a regular hunting rifle there would still be people hurt and or killed, but they would be easier to tackle and as the police were there in 30sec in Dayton the casualties would have been significantly lower. What this guy did in his minute of violence speaks volumes on the type of weapon used and the type of weapon we allow in the USA for the price of...."freedom".

Really? WTF. Not funny right now.

That was merely a jab at Trump. There was no intention to make light of the horrific events in the two cities...

I blame all of this on the PURGE series... These people think they have a right to lash out because their lives aren't perfect. And they have a government that encourages hate toward minorities and immigrants. The incels feel they are entitled to love on demand. The white supremacists think they own America. The Neo-Nazis want a pure aryan race/homeland. And the vanilla liberal nutjobs are mad the others exist...

There is NO answer to this blight. So we are just supposed to let it go and do nothing, while these idiots purge on innocent people time and time again. Even if we can identify who might possibly do something like this by their online presence, we can't punish them for something they haven't done...

This is one issue that I don't think should be partisan. I just tuned out yesterday because the BS was too deep to wade through. Trump's rhetoric and hate speech needs to end, but I don't blame him for the shooters. One of them was a dem and I'd say he hated Trump, if I had to guess.

Sadly nobody has an answer that will work because nobody is going to give up their guns and the government isn't going to take the guns. We can't even agree on gun licensing and background checks. We just ignore the signs of mental illness and or antisocial behavior. We allow sites like 8chan/Stormfront to exist and spread this hate. We allow terrorist like the Klan, Fascists, and White Supremacy groups to meet, march, and spread hate...

Nothing is going to change because the only time we want change is in moments like these. Next week Republicans will list all the reasons we can't limit guns and dems will tuck tail and let it all be until the next round of deaths. Aren't we great...

I meant to respond to this when I read it - no apology is necessary. Politics and most especially gun violence are emotive and issues that generate passion and also frustration on multiple levels/sides... I try to react to what's written without the emotion and in general one 'side' never has all the right answers or all the wrong answers.

Appreciate the response. There is just too much hate right now. There is so much one-sided rhetoric coming out of the mouths of people on both sides. Hell, they even insult you when you say things like "I try to judge people as individuals rather than slap all-encompassing labels on an entire group of people" by calling you a libtard or a Con or Flip-Flopper or by dropping MLK quotes on you that have nothing to do w/what the point was about.

Too much hate....Not enough intelligence and acceptance of our differences.

I find it reprehensible that you expect us to accept Trumpianism. Next you'll want us to cuddle with the KKK or pair up with Nazis for a picnic to discuss the ways we are alike... And you say you're a dem. PFFFT.

Today is the first time I ever seen you come right out and say that. In the past you've always said 'same camp' or 'lean left'...

I'm not sure you even know what you are. A few weeks ago I read your posts and they sounded like a GOPer. I guess that's why Swish calls you a flip flopper.

There are people here who will bend over backwards to avoid denouncing this POS of a president. They go out of their way to point out it’s both sides that are at fault when they voted for this POS of a president. They will try to protect his legacy as something he’s not. We all know who trump is...he’s a failure, a racist and a POS of a president.

So, you are telling me what party I have supported? LOL

Why the hell would I lie about it to guys like you and Swish? Hell, if anything I would want to distance myself from guys who are always whining and are full of such hateful bias.

Ah yes the age old, you're with us or you're a raging trumpian racist, progressive movement. Vers you're not allowed to have an opinion that doesn't toe the hard progressive line and call yourself a dem.

Cmon man, you're a smart guy, it shouldn't take you this long to get that from this crowd.

I think we can all agree he's not a very nice human being. Unfortunately, sometimes people feel like they have to vote for the policies a candidate supports over the person themselves. A president lasts 8 years max. The policies (and things like Supreme Court nominees) can last lifetimes.

It'd be great if the system started giving us candidates we could vote for without reservations. Sadly, people at the extremes seem to bring out more voters/get them more fired up.

Give me a candidate worth believing in and I'd vote for them. I'll probably continue to abstain from voting for the wholly political creatures (in the behind closed doors fighting sense), extremists, and dreamers completely untethered from reality.

I actually wouldn't mind a "dreamer" if they had a solid incremental plan.

Unfortunately, deep thinking doesn't make for the most eyegrabbing soundbites/clips.

“Wouldn’t mind”. Are you serious? Wouldn’t mind? Eww boy, no wonder we find ourselves under this deplorable, racist, dumpster fire, of a administration.

The vast majority would actually support a candidate who wasn't an extremist.

I'm saying that you have never made it clear that you consider yourself a democrat. Additionally, some of the things you have shown support for recently sound more republican than dem.

You have a very hard time with even the most basic criticism, and you want to say we whine. You run around every section of this board getting offended anytime somebody disagrees with you... like a whiny child.

Somebody is butthurt that we removed the fence and told the posers sitting on it to pick a side.

Your 'extremist' rhetoric is going to help Trump win... own that.

Resorting to lies and slandering those who don't think exactly like you. You really are just like Trump.

You are hilarious. If you feel slandered, sue me. I'm just calling it like I see it. I bet you argue with your reflection in the mirror! Must be rough looking at yourself everyday and trying to justify all your beliefs yet claim to be a democrat. You're all over the board on political topics. And I would not be surprised if you vote Trump in 2020. Not at all.

Wait, you are telling me what I believe and are also accusing me of the one who is arguing? LMAO man.

I'm just speaking truth. The rest is in your head.

So anyone who doesn't agree with an extremist progressive view helps Trump?

Why don't you just say that anyone who doesn't agree with you and a few others on this board is a Trump supporter. Because in your twisted view, that's exactly what you're saying.

Maybe it's time you own that.

"Agree with my extremist progressive view or you are the enemy! - OCD

We don't have to agree on anything bro, but the use of words like extremist and socialist is how the right demonizes the left to make dupes vote against their own best interest. You are now part of that machine because you can't help but parrot those words.

It's how both sides describe people on the fringe of either party. Quit pretending that's a one way street. You're not on a shopping trip at Victims R Us.

Fine, I'll play along.


The problem is the access to wartime killing machines. So even though you can't blame the inanimate object, you can blame what that object is designed for and how easy they are to get. Fair point?


These items are not unique to the US. Stop trying to blame mental illness, culture, video games, the media, lack of praying in school, etc etc etc....it's like that everywhere.


Because they know how easy it is. Get a mass murder machine that keeps the shooter safe from a distance until either he gets shot or commits suicide. No close physicality. No chance of anything but a swift death once he starts to pull the trigger (most of the time).


But we should try something, right? Just do nothing and hope all of societies cultural problems will magically change? Any changes won't be perfect. I know this...if we add 10 more federal gun laws and it prevents just ONE more of these from happening out of the 20 more that inevitably will...I say that's worth it.



Guess what? It's become part of our culture too.

There are countries that have issued TRAVEL WARNINGS about going to the USA. Can you even imagine that this is where we've let this get to because we refuse to even try to make any changes? But here we are...now seen as a dangerous place to visit by outsiders.

And yet, extremist, racist, bigot, etc used by the left is NOT an example of mind numbing blather?

Big difference between ideas to lift people and internment camps that kill kids... You own that Arch, that's on you. You can call me an extremist all you want if it means not being a racist bigot fascist POS.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. You don't want to see it, that's cool with me. Just be careful pointing fingers at others if Trump gets another term, at least one will be pointing back at you.