DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns 2019 training camp preview: Analyzing the offensive line

He may have been beat. I can't say for sure. I would have to look at it again. With that said, compare the Redskin OL to ours. They were beat on almost every damn play. And it wasn't just one guy.

Yeah I agree .. they had petter get Trent back in the fold

And I was impressed how BM had a cup to step up into. That first drive was a clinic! We looked good. Hats off to the O line. Despite the shuffling, they looked sound. Also count the flags; for first preseason and new rules, I was impressed!

ElfQuest is on the march!

It's Baker, according to Joe Thomas. He stated the QB makes the OL, not the other way around. Correct drops, quick reads, quick decisions on time, and decisive throws.

Greg Robinson looks pretty good when he's not facing Myles. I'm guessing MG will make a lot of guys look bad this year.

I thought Corbett actually looked pretty good at center. Snaps were on point and he was blasting guys on combo blocks.

OT depth is kind of concerning.

No doubt .. its like, the Patriots just insert guys into the OL and Brady makes them work

OL:

Tretter/Bitonio/Robinson/Hubbard: limited snaps and rightfully so. Executed well on their first only series.

Kush: played a good number of early series and had a couple pressure issues but ftmp was fine. He’s the baseline RG.

Corbett: 67 snaps at C. 4-3 scheme didn’t put much in his lap all night but I thought he was solid in zone run game and helped his guards well in pass pro.

Witzmann: played RG and RT. He’s locked into the roster as of now. Had one hold but I thought he was fine all night.

Seaton: issues being beat off the edge. Slow in run game processing. Just can’t see it working out.

Lamm: moves well, but tech is just clunky & inconsistent. 3rd tackle & should be a solid backup.

Forbes: played mostly LG. Looked solid. Hand placement/drive & pass pro were a +

Wright: seems like he’s in the right spots but just can’t anchor well enough. Gave up too many pressure and was manipulated by power moves.

https://twitter.com/jake_burns18/status/1159873933291732992

Joe Thomas did state that the QB can make the OL look better, but Baker had a ton of room to make throws. Bernie talked about it. Freddie talked about it. I saw it. It happened.

This is not me knocking Baker. It's me giving credit to the OL. You argue about the most ridiculous things.

I wasn't arguing.

Huh? I said the OL did a great job on the first drive. I said they gave Baker a lot of room to survey the field and make his throws. Bernie, Timid, and Freddie agreed. You said Baker made the OL look good.

And again, I wasn't bad-mouthing Baker. On the Post-Game thread, I led w/how great he looked. I'm just trying to recognize how good the OL looked.

I didn't think you were bad mouthing Baker. And I don't have a problem with what you said about the OL. I was voicing my opinion on the matter just like you were.

Looked good but didn't play much. It's just vanilla preseason stuff right now against a very mediocre Wash team.

I'm trying not to get too hyped, but they did look good in the little that we saw.

Dep, I think the key was the room they gave Baker to see the field.

One of the announcers mentioned during the game that because Baker is a short qb, he would rather face pressure from the outside and have room in the middle so he can move in the pocket and find throwing lanes.

That's what I was most impressed with was how much space he had between him and guys in his sight lines. That's huge!

It looks like we have our starting right guard.

Austin Corbett not being able to beat out Kush is not what you want. It seems like the front office might have had an inkling that they whiffed on Corbett because they brought in two veterans just in case he wasn't able to take the job.

Yep, I’ll say if Kush is still stringing together starts, he’s the guy

I think they are starting to look at Corbett as their long term Center when Tretter's contract runs out.

I would be shocked if that was the case.

Are you saying they aren't playing Corbett at right guard because they want him to play center eventually? Or are you saying they think Corbett will be the starting center after this season despite not being able to beat out a journeymen guard?

(Tretter's contract is up after this season and he is very good.)

I think the most likely scenario is that Corbett is just not good. Guys that you value don't play the entire first preseason game.

Side note: It's understandable to whiff on a pick. Even a valuable second round pick. Literally everyone does it. All the time. You just hope to hit more often than not. If you do then you are golden. As of right now we are coming out of the 2018 draft with three All-Pro caliber players (Baker Mayfield, Denzel Ward, and Nick Chubb), a rotational pass rusher (Genard Avery), and some lottery chips (Chad Thomas, Antonio Callaway, and Damion Ratley). That is about as good of a draft as a team will ever have.

J/c

I think they’re starting to look at Corbett as backup C to see if they can salvage anything out of him. Most likely he isn’t any good.

Bingo. If he was any good he'd be starting at right guard.

They have hardly played Corbett at RG in pad practices ... so either he is really having trouble on the right side of the OL, or he just doesn't fit at G. I remember when he was drafted, reading about the possibility of him playing Center in the NFL. That's where he appears to be spending most of his time.

I doubt that we're going to re-sign Tretter to an $8 million/year deal.

Not sure what Tretter would demand but I'm guessing if he has another good year, I agree with you, he will come with a heavy price tag. I think protecting Mayfield should heavily weigh into consideration. We already traded away one of the best right guards in football. To let a very good Center walk the very next year when interior pass protection is becoming more and more important will an interesting move. Protecting your franchise QB should be a focus. If it's not a known commodity with Tretter, we better have a legit Plan B.

If Tretter has another good year and wants a 4 year deal for 35 million, I think you gotta do it

Well, when we restructure the contract or outright cut Landry next year, it will open up some salary for other players.

I’ve actually thought that Landry COULD be a casualty eventually ... BUT of course OBJ being here probably eliminates that

What? ..

OBJ being here is the only reason its an option ...

No, I understand that OBJ’s talent would mean Landry would be more expendable ... but I mean since they’re Best Buds it would make Dorsey think twice about it

Or Landry being more willing to accept a restructuring to stay with Beckham and a franchise QB.

Could be as well

Next off seasons gonna be interesting .... the one after that is when it starts to get real real interesting ... thats when it starts to get hairy ...

We can carry VG next year if we so choose ... but man thats a lot of money at that position with what were going to have coming upon the years after that ...

I’m gonna enjoy this year ... then trust KJ to do the right thing ...

Yet, another hijack of a thread to further your stupid agenda. Landry might be a cap causality, but this thread is about the OL and not about your quest to win some argument.

Yes, it's about offensive linemen. Particularly an offensive lineman that may demand a high price tag. To pay for a high priced offensive lineman long-term, other factors need to be considered....namely people currently under contract. One person to consider (who I clearly think is drastically overpaid) is Landry. Addressing that contract helps allocate other monies to someone like Tretter, if we decide to keep him.

Clearly this triggers you. Thoughts and prayers.

I think that both Tretter and Landry will be on the roster THIS YEAR.

I think we have a good team that contend for the playoffs and maybe more. It would be nice to focus on the OL this year and worry about contracts later on. But, you can't allow that to happen because you are still focusing on something that is in the past and you refuse to let it go.

Y-Town brought up the possibility of not paying Tretter in 2020. A legitimate consideration since Tretter is going into FA after this season and may have a high price tag if he plays like he did that past two seasons. I offered up a way to possibly pay for him. You, as usual, lose your "stuff".

That's a you problem.

I am going to try this one again since no one responded to it earlier. I think it's important to how the team performs this year. Much more important than whether or not we cut guys or resign guys down the road.

During the telecast, one of the announcers said that Baker wants a lot of room up the middle and would actually prefer that the pressure comes from the outside. That is because he is a shorter qb and needs room and lanes to see downfield and he believes [rightfully so] that he can move around in the pocket to avoid the guys rushing from the outside.

I think that is a really good point. I also think that it is encouraging that he had so much room to throw w/clear sight lines last year and on the first drive of this preseason.

We are obviously going to miss Zeitler, who was one of the top-ranked guards in the entire league last year. However, both Bitonio and Tretter had high grades as well. If the new guy can play like he did the other night in pass pro, I think that will go a long way in regards to our success this year.

Anyone wanna reply? Please? Can we keep this thread on this year's OL?

I didn't like trading our top-shelf RG.

But ok, we got really talented players out of that deal(s) so I can't complain much.

If Corbett was supposed to be the heir-apparent at RG, it isn't looking like it right now.

I liked that point about Baker would much prefer outside pressure, but that's a trait of most QBs.

The quickest way to the QBs's grill is up the middle, and made worse if you don't have a tall quarterback.

Any insights about Witzmann?

Not sure what to say other than ...... Thanks .... that's great insight and makes all the sense in the world ... as usual when it comes to football stuff your spot on ...

I would imagine teams wii attack our right side ... hopefully Kush can hold his own and can force the pressure to come from around Hubbard and not in between them ...

Honestly, I'm not concerned about the starters on the offensive line. I don't think we're going to miss Zeitler. Kush isn't Zeitler but it's not going to be a big drop off.

Our Oline is in the top half of the NFL. And that's good enough to ride deep into the playoffs.

LET'S GOOOOOOOOooooooooo!

Why you using Diam's LET'S GOOOOO!!!! thing?