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At some point Snyder who is an active owner has to step in. My guess is that we're at a standstill because Snyder has stepped in.
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Why is Jacksonville a poo show? ...
Please explain ... i don’t get it ... To be clear, they are not that much of a poo show, just enough of a poo show to make the top five. Here are some reasons: 1. For some reason the people, who are still, in charge signed Blake Bortles to an extension. 2. Because they had faith in Blake Bortles they passed on a bunch of good QBs (and instead took a knucklehead running back). 3. Tom Coughlin called out the knucklehead running back last season and then backtracked hard. 4. Coughlin almost fired the coach and hired himself. 5. They signed Nick Foles for $45,125,000 despite for other team trying to sign him. 6. They mismanaged the cap so badly that they will likely have to let one of Jalen Ramsey or Yannick Ngakoue walk or decimate their defense. I thought u were talking about the play on the field this year being a poo show ... i think this years team has a shot to be real good ... Can’t argue with a thing u said about their fo ...
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So far everything that has been stated has come from the president Allen.
No matter. It all comes back to what is best for Washington at the end.
Plenty of time. 3 weeks till opener.
Any public statements mean little.
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I miss Zeitler, Perriman, Peppers, ... now Duke
and whomever else, Not sure, Ok I'm sure I would not have made the Beckham trade, Plus whatever opportunity provided by the first round pick,
But the Browns traded, and this is the new Browns, the rebuilt, just like we're used to, New year, New core, this time it'll work.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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They might trade him, say they won't but they might.
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At some point Snyder who is an active owner has to stop stepping in.
Fixed it for you.
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That was a weird situation (staph Infections) as we took all the proper precautions and still it was popping up. I thought we were being sabotaged by Steeler fans in our hospitals (nah I don't really believe that) but we are talking about one of the most respected Hospitals in the nation (Cleveland Clinic) and still there was Staph Infection there.
McCoy concussion:
yeah that was one of the most Incompetent organization we had going. Shurmur was not ready for prime time and I always pictured him as Ensign Pulver in McKales Navy with that dumb look on his face (he still has it...lol )
But one of the few errors we made as stated I'm sure we are not perfect but we more than any other team was real tight on concussion protocols even before they were made mandatory. And our High ankle sprains were not often rushed back.
It seemed we were playing by the rules while others took advantage of their players and keep in mind almost all "FOOTBALL" players to the man if given the opportunity would play hurt. Most all really really love this game!
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The staph issue may have extended to other teams (I forget, really) but we had like five or six players get it. In one instance it almost killed a guy (Bentley). Then JJ sued the Browns & I'm pretty sure Bentley did too. It was a nightmare. Oooh. I forgot about the lawsuit. Good call.
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After we get Trent Williams, we should see about getting Jadaveon Clowney, too... ya know, just because.
Browns is the Browns
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At some point Snyder who is an active owner has to stop stepping in.
Fixed it for you. Exactly. This whole thing is only happening because Daniel Snyder is in charge.
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After we get Trent Williams, we should see about getting Jadaveon Clowney, too... ya know, just because. LOL. When I heard Clowney was on the block, and considering the Texans do not have a GM right now, I wondered what it would be like to add him to our DL. Let me add that I in no way expect either Trent Williams or Clowney to a part of the Browns.
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I think Williams is overreacting and I am now against us trying to trade for him.
I get the smear campaign by a couple of folks on here against Washington, but in this case, I don't think they did anything to warrant Williams' position. I get the feeling this is more of a selfish move by Williams than a huge screw-up by the Redskins.
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Why would anyone ever give the Redskins the benefit of the doubt in a dispute with a player?
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One would do that when examining the case the player makes.
I'm not asking you to agree. I just think Williams is full of crap on this one.
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One would do that when examining the case the player makes.
I'm not asking you to agree. I just think Williams is full of crap on this one. Why do you think he is full of crap? (If you have posted why before please forgive me and point me in the right direction towards that post.)
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"Full of crap" probably wasn't a good phrase. Disingenuous is probably more apropos. I think he is overreacting about the non-malignant tumor and I also think that his contract is factoring into his decision. I also think him just wanting out of Washington is a viable factor.
I am not defending Washington when I make these comments. I think Snyder is arrogant and meddlesome. I simply am not buying the sincerity of Williams' demands. But again, I'm not saying I am right and not trying to get you to agree w/me. I'm simply voicing my own particular opinion on the topic.
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Disingenuous is a fair assessment, given this one medical incident. I tend to wonder if this is just a straw on the camel's back, especially given the other, well, "indiscretions", by the Redskin's medical staff... Former safety Su'a Cravens has been outspoken about his experience, he had a shoulder injury that he felt was being "pacified" by the staff... to the point of contemplating retirement. A couple of his tweets add fuel to the fire... "2 years later and I’m still fighting the Skins on something they’ve continued to do countless time . Which is why the best tackle in the game refuses to play for them now. Same reason I left. Mishandled injuries and withheld info. All evidence points to them being guilty!"
"During the time I was put on the exempt list the Skins went out of their way to cut my insurance off, froze my payments, refuse to pay me and even recoup pay. All for a very real injury that THEY decided was made up. Which is why people fear being hurt in the league."
Then Colt McCoy, admittedly being rushed back to the field when they thought he had experienced a "setback". Three surgeries later, he's still not playing. I guess I can't fault any player for saying to themselves "this is my body, this is my life". It is beginning to appear, that in Washington, there is a large sign above the door to the medical facility that reads SUCK IT UP, BUTTERCUP. The grass is always greener and we as fans would welcome him with open arms. Giving Gordon his walking papers was a huge step towards ending dysfunction, or at least the notion that we will put up with it. Sending Duke on his way when he said he didn't want to be here was another. I'm not sure I want a player who had just quit on his previous team, but I think there is enough bad blood on both sides, in Washington, that I wouldn't put a black mark next to his name moving forward.
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Disingenuous is probably more apropos. I think he is overreacting about the non-malignant tumor and I also think that his contract is factoring into his decision. I also think him just wanting out of Washington is a viable factor. I agree with this as well.
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How do We get him what is the trade? Who do we give up to get him?
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That is an open end question.
Washington first has to entertain offers. Then depending on who is making the offer; some kind fair market value will be established.
If that happens then Washington will make what they perceive as the best deal for them.
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As this saga continues it will morph to bizarre.
Hard to figure what Washington is doing? You either make peace and try to mend this and show you care.
Or, try to get what you can. This is a team that looks poised for disaster this year. No answer at qb. Haskins is not ready and if they rush him they have jack at LT.
If they were smart they would try and build the roster with as much draft capital that they can gather.
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One thing I'll say about Haskins after watching him at OSU. When he's hot he's a great QB. But he seems to have lapses where he just seems off. If he can gain consistency he will make an NFL QB. If not it could be a disaster.
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TRENT WILLIAMS T, WASHINGTON REDSKINS
NBC Sports' JP Finlay reports the Redskins declined the Patriots' 2020 first-round pick offer for Trent Williams.
RELATED: New England Patriots SOURCE: JP Finlay on Twitter Aug 22, 2019, 11:52 AM ET
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That's surprising. That indicates to me they're asking more for him than what he's worth.
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TRENT WILLIAMS T, WASHINGTON REDSKINS
NBC Sports' JP Finlay reports the Redskins declined the Patriots' 2020 first-round pick offer for Trent Williams.
RELATED: New England Patriots SOURCE: JP Finlay on Twitter Aug 22, 2019, 11:52 AM ET  That's insane.
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That's surprising. That indicates to me they're asking more for him than what he's worth. You can't ask for much more than a first. What else do they want? Brady?
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TRENT WILLIAMS T, WASHINGTON REDSKINS
NFL Media's Ian Rapoport said the Patriots' first-round offer for Trent Williams did not happen.
"Unequivocally not true" was Rapoport's exact wording. The Redskins have told teams that they aren't willing to trade Williams despite his holdout, so this will continue to drag on. It's unclear if teams are still trying to work out a deal with Washington for the star tackle, but Williams has made it clear that he doesn't plan on playing for the Redskins again.
SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter Aug 22, 2019, 12:16 PM ET
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That's surprising. That indicates to me they're asking more for him than what he's worth. You can't ask for much more than a first. What else do they want? Brady? They want it to be a more valuable pick. Maybe they don't want to reward his holdout by trading him to a Super Bowl ring.
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Logic tells me that Rapoport is correct.
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The way this is going down all we hear is BS until something really happens.
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Logic tells me that Rapoport is correct. Agreed. I don't believe Belichick would offer a first for 31 year old Trent Williams. He's still a good player but that is not Belichick's M.O.
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Rapaport sited a like type situation years ago with I believe the Vikings.
Same type scenario age, pro bowler etc. to site a comparison.
The deal ended up: 1 first rounder, a second, and a sixth.
So it is not beyond reason to give up a low first plus.
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It could be done though I highly doubt it.
But in this case I think one would have to consider who is making the trade. We now know it was bogus but when thinking of Belichick on an individual basis, it certainly doesn't sound like something he would do.
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I hope this is all smoke and no fire as concerns the browns. I would rather have a young, improving injury free greg r At left tackle this season. Giving up a scad of resources to improve a line that performed at a high level last year and spending a bunch more money as well makes no sense to me. As long as we find a solid rt guard our o line will be fine!
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IMO. you can't generalize.
It all depends on the deal.
If the deal was all draft picks. We keep Robinson. He moves to RT and Hubbard plays RG.
The OL is now not in question.
Let's be clear Williams is a top three LT. That is how he is ranked by many.
He also is a great team player who is respected and liked. Nobody questions his talent or play on the field.
He is 31. If he played for us for the next three years at a high level. Our OL goes from average to very good.
I know rankings. They can be misleading. But when you look at where the players are ranked. Robinson is not in the same class.
Williams, Bitonio, Tretter, Hubbard, Robinson. That could be really good.
Hubbard is 6'4" 295 lbs. He was a undrafted guy. He worked his way up. Could he play RG?
The move inside may be easier because you are between two players. Guards usually don't have the length or footwork to play tackle. But the move inside. Campen knows Hubbard. He would know how Hubbard would work inside.
Thinking out loud. Would a change like this at this date work?
That is a legit question. Dorsey and staff would have to answer that.
I am just throwing this out there.
It is a decision I would trust Dorsey to make.
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Rapaport sited a like type situation years ago with I believe the Vikings.
Same type scenario age, pro bowler etc. to site a comparison.
The deal ended up: 1 first rounder, a second, and a sixth.
So it is not beyond reason to give up a low first plus.
I'm not sure which trade you are referring to. Also I'm not sure there's really a 'like type' situation you could apply anyway. There are differences in player ability, position, age, health and contractual status, philosophies of coaches, and so forth. Ian Rapoport is the one that said the reports of the Patriots offering a first for Williams were "unequivocally not true" - how else does he factor in here?
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