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No comment about the trade for Gary Zimmerman in the early 1990s. I just don't know enough about the dynamics of that trade and the league back then, and how it would apply now.

It's possible that Williams could be traded for a first or more but I'd be shocked if it was Belichick that did it. Throughout his career, he has been far more likely to acquire early picks in trades than send them out.

Historically that is true. But Bill and Brady are getting up there in years. Could he be pondering retirement in the next couple years and that has him seeking one last aggressive run at a title?

Could be, but I haven't seen any evidence of it.

Look back to last year, they were loaded with picks-- an extra 1 for trading Brandin Cooks and and extra 2 for trading Jimmy G. Then they traded back some. They were going young and cutting cost at the same time. Won the Super Bowl anyway.

I just think they operate at a different level. There's no panicking on having to win this year.. they just operate at high efficiency and that carries over from year to year.

At some point, will they 'cash it in'? That is, burn up a bunch of picks, trade them for players, make some big splashes in free agency? I get the idea behind Brady (and Belichick for that matter) getting old but at the same time, maybe Belichick's final legacy is to leave the Pats in excellent shape for McDaniels and Caserio to take over.

Long story short... I'll believe it when I see it.

two thoughts, bonefish. first, that move would mean three changes on our o line instead of one. if we could get them to give up Williams without a legit starting lineman in the package. also, Williams has averaged 12 games played per season the last three years due to medical issues. as a rule injuries are more frequent as you get older and recovery times are longer. so probably 4-6 games per year we would need to completely rearrange the line due to injury.

second, I agree that ratings are not always reliable. but this is reliable. the last eight games baker was the best protected qb in the league. baker got better at getting the ball out quickly but if that line was a sieve it would not have mattered. and Chubb gained a lot of yards those last eight games. what more can we ask of our offensive line??

it is strange to me that the unit on our team that performed the best last year is the one everyone else wants to change. if we find an adequate right guard this line is going to do well.

j/c:

Man, I can't wait until the season starts. LOL

In the 20 year prior to Snyder the Giants won 3 Super Bowls, lost a Super Bowl, and made the playoffs 8 times.

In 21 years under Snyder, the Redskins have made the playoffs 5 times, losing the WC 3 times, and in the Division round twice.

If I were Trent, I'd show up and half-ass it drive down my trade value. Go out there and give up a bunch of sacks/hits/pressures/tackles for loss.

Ha! I never thought about it that way.

J/c

I’ve seen a lot of people say “Let’s get Trent and move Robinson to RG ...” ... is that really a possibility? I hate switching so close to the season, and who knows if Robinson is even “good” at RG

If we got TW, I think a DTer here suggested we'd put Robinson at RT and move Hubbard to RG?

Gosh, that would be 3 new positions with no game action going into week 1

I think if the asking price is Higgins and if we are all in on this season and I think we are, and we feel we need to upgrade the tackle position, then I think we will make the trade.

I don't think many would agree, but I think we are putting our eggs in this basket.

Higgins plus a mid round pick might do it ... a lot depends on how we evaluate the other OL shifting as they would.

Plus, who knows about Trent’s contract and what that would take too

And Higgins is likely gone after this season anyway.

I'm against trading for Williams. He's older, injured quite a bit, and seems like a freaking head case. Most importantly, I think the cost would be too high.

I also feel that our OL is better than most of you guys do.

I have already explained the "why" earlier in the thread.

We disagree. No big deal.

I remember that.

I am not an OL guru, but how would that turn out? Can Robinson play RT? Can Hubbard play RG? I know it has more to with each player's skill set, but I do not know how well Robinson and Hubbard would transition to RT and RG.

I am on the fence w Williams. He is a top 5 LT and would be an upgrade here, as he would for most of the league. LT is not one of our largest concerns, but it is a key position. I remember hearing that the 4 things one does not pass up are a franchise QB, an elite LT, a shutdown CB and an edge pass rusher that other teams have to game plan for.

Going from RT to LT isn't quite as simple as some make it out to be. You have to teach your body to react in the total opposite direction from the way it has your entire life. Muscle memory can be a big opponent.

The more athletic a player is the better the likelihood for sure. But I certainly don't consider it a given.

I don't know that "upgrades" will be available at the RT position. I agree with you that Hubbard and Robinson are most certainly not in the top tier of OT's, but there isn't exactly a glut of talent out there at either of those positions.

I feel one must consider that teams will not only be keeping their starting tackles, but also back up players at those positions. Once you get to the third and fourth tackles on NFL depth charts, I don't think you'll be seeing any upgrades to either Robinson or Hubbard around out there.

Now the RG position is a little more realistic. The skill set to play that position requires less athleticism and are more easily upgraded.

As for Robinson, I think that's mostly dictated by what they are asking. I don't see Dorsey sending a lot of talent and or future picks for a 31 year old LT that has been having mounting injury concerns. But that's just me.

And that's if Washington decides to even entertain trading him. It is Washington after all. It was only a week or two ago that I heard something should happen within the next week. Well, that week has come and gone.

If we were to get Trent, what about just moving Robinson to RG? I am pretty sure that he has experience there.

Only if he brings his gas mask.

Just clicking...

Leaking this as a "fake news" story would actually be a good move on Washington's part. it might just increase the perceived value of Williams.

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I expect the Browns to bring in one or two offensive linemen after the cuts. I think they will be backup guys. I am not as concerned about the OL as the rest of you guys.

We don't need Pro Bowlers at every freaking position. At some point, if Baker, OBJ, Chubb, Landry, Njoku, Hunt, Higgens, Callaway, etc are as good as everyone is saying, perhaps they can make plays w/out having a Pro Bowler at every line position.

In case people forgot, the Browns had the second highest OL in PFF's rankings last year.

I think most teams would absolutely love to have the OL problems we have. LOL

That was before we traded a RG anchor, but I get your point.

It was, but one guy isn't going to cause a line to go from from that high up to one of the worst in the league.

I made a long post on the OL thread about my thoughts on how home-town fans unfairly judge their team's o-lines.

Our OL is not nearly as bad as some are claiming. I think we have a good OL. Not great, but good enough.

Yeah just need to be elite. To get there. Just need to find that way to seize it.

I would prefer Tunsil to Williams because he has a lot more future left in him, but I'm betting that their asking price will be higher than it would be for Williams and they aren't as motivated to move him early in the season. They can always hold him for a while and see if anyone gets desperate for a LT.