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Since 1999, i have been defending our failing quarterbacks on every occasion because they simply never had time to throw the ball. Typically later in the season when our line is always a patchwork group only resembling what we started with the QB is so gunshy about getting a beat down every time he drops back that they have been ineffective.
This is the first game i have seen where i put the blame squarely on the QBs. I can only think of 1-2 out of the 6 that were not a case of holding the ball to long, or not recognizing the blitz before/during the play. I have heardthe arguement the DKs lacks practice time. Well when the right side CB is only a yard off the tight end, call an audible or change the protection because he MIGHT be blitzing! And when you have been playing QB all your life, you would think that stepping up into the pocket instead of taking a sack or fumble woudl be an option. . . i know they can do it, i see "good" QBs all the time.
I admit i hardly watch any other NFL than my browns, but decided to watch the dallas game sunday. I saw that Tony romo didnt seem to have any longer in the pocket than our guys did, but i saw him throw the ball way when he needed to, and recognize where the blitz was coming from and even taking a step or two inside the pocket to help his blockers out.
Has our line improved to you as well or am i watching a different game?
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I noticed alot more time in the pocket than ever before on Sunday,...CF made his line look bad,.....the "new" punter made the team look bad.
The line is fine,....best we've had in eons.......as soon as BQ gets in there the line will be a top 10 unit.
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 Yes, they will be a good unit...because they had time to GEL, not because BQ is the QB. Ibleed, it isn't the QB's call to change the protection. That is Fraley's job. I will disagree that the QBs didn't read the blitz. the problem is that at times the line didn't pick it up, the wrs didn't go to their hot routes or were covered, or the QB held the ball instead of throwing it away. There were MANY problems that led to 6 sacks. It's easy to place all the blame on one player because then it can be fixed by replacing one player. Sadly, the truth is that there were many mistakes by many players that led to Sunday.
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This line CAN be better, but, and it's JMO, they aren't there yet.. I don't believe it will take very long,,, another game or two,,, maybe three. But when they start to click, it's gonna be a thing of beauty..
Just not yet!
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I agree. I made the statement 4-5 years ago a qb can indeed make his line look bad.
Sunday wasn't the first time it happened.
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I agree. I made the statement 4-5 years ago a qb can indeed make his line look bad.
Sunday wasn't the first time it happened.
Yep,....that's why when BQ starts it will just so coincidently be timed perfectly with the line gelling ....but that will be our little secret. 
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I watched the entire game sunday  and I sat and timed Frye(who I supported year in and out), he took five seconds to get rid of the ball. Now I am no coach, but I know the three sec rule. And He looked stumped Coach I also agree, the WR's did not run hot routes as soon as they saw blitz. Do not know why?? But I also saw DA (whom I never supported) make quick reads, and get rid of the ball a lot quicker, albeit behind the reciever(timing). I do see a lot of improvement in the line. But do not forget 'Steiny' has not played with the team in four weeks plus LT is a rook. It will take some time but this line will be good. Ihope
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All true.
And once our QB starts hitting those quick routes repeatedly, that will slow down the blitzes. Sometimes you just can't block every blitzer, but you should have a man open when it comes, and that man should be ready for a quick throw.
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This entire team needs to gel on offense. The line looked shakey at times, (like when Shaffer got shoved into Frye,) the WRs dropped catchable balls, Lewis wasn't on the same page as the line on a couple occasions and the QBs made their own set of mistakes. They need to play together, get their timing down, learn what to when their on the field in terms of recognizing coverages and then execute the plays. The WRs need to to catch the balls and also help out in recognizing blitz packages, especially when the see the corners creeping toward the QB. All of this and time together will help the line gel into a good one eventually. The talent is there, just not the experience, IMO.
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Just stumbled on an interesting tidbit, Frye was sacked 5 times, DA was sacked once the whole rest of the game. I have always been a Frye supporter untill sunday. I hope he does better for the seahawks.
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Yes, the Frye supporters said that was because Pittsburgh stopped rushing the passer in the second half...
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C'mon, let's be fair. They had a 24 point lead. Of course they let up. Wouldn't you? The game was in the bag. The only person who didn't know that was.......Well, hell, everyone knew it.
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Coach, Do we really know Fraley makes calls on changes to protection due to blitzes? He may make the initial scheme call when coming to the line, but there aren't many qb's in the league that don't make a change call themselves when they see potential blitzers. It's hard for the center or any lineman to see much other than what's directly in front of them until the snap or while they walk up to the line.
It is certainly possible that Fraley makes the initial call and any changes, especially with our qb's still being so young. But, I would still guess with a full season under his belt Charlie may have been responsible for those changes. It's hard to know without truly being "inside" the team.
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The QB doesn't make the calls on the blocking schemes. He can audible out of a bad play into a different play or point out the blitz, but very few systems have the QB change the blocking schemes.
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He was calling out the blitzes. Hank see's everything, he is trained to. He watches film more than any other player on the team. He went in to watch the Cinci film on his day off, he is sitting with the QB's right now watching film. At least 3x a week he is watching film for the up coming game. Also he goes in early monday and watches the game film BEFORE the team meeting where they watch game film.
Hank takes pride in being prepared. He will gain every advantage he can before that games come. I think alot of guys who clawed their way into the league do that.... those that came in on a silver platter sometimes think they don't need to.
Sometimes that shows.
Surrounding players should be able to see the blitz...... maybe they need to watch more film. Study harder.
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Surrounding players should be able to see the blitz...... maybe they need to watch more film. Study harder.
Now there's an indictment and a call to step up if I ever heard one. 
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Like a girl would know anything about what lineman do.  
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Danielle, I want to be clear I wasn't saying Hank wasn't doing his job. I was simply stating he is the one to call the line audibles, not the QB. I was clearing up the misinformation. Hope that didn't come out as me placing any blame on Hank, as I saw him making calls and pointing several times.
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Danielle, I want to be clear I wasn't saying Hank wasn't doing his job. I was simply stating he is the one to call the line audibles, not the QB. I was clearing up the misinformation. Hope that didn't come out as me placing any blame on Hank, as I saw him making calls and pointing several times.
Yes you were and know Danielle will kick your ass. It was actually a pretty informative post. I am under the impression that Manning and now Big Ben do make those calls. I'm not sure how true that is.
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Manning might because he calls the plays himself at the line. Ben doesn't, at least in Ariens system the QB never has. That may have changed, but not that I'm aware of.
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Man Danielle, it is sooo cool to have the wife of one of my favorite browns players post on here. I really mean it. I also learned something from this thread and who does what. Thanks! you too coach!
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All true.
And once our QB starts hitting those quick routes repeatedly, that will slow down the blitzes. Sometimes you just can't block every blitzer, but you should have a man open when it comes, and that man should be ready for a quick throw.
Good post. Gannon repeatedly spoke of our QBs missing the hot read during the game.
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Danielle, I want to be clear I wasn't saying Hank wasn't doing his job. I was simply stating he is the one to call the line audibles, not the QB. I was clearing up the misinformation. Hope that didn't come out as me placing any blame on Hank, as I saw him making calls and pointing several times.
That's true ... and it's not.
The Center doesn't call blitz adjustments when the RB or TE have to pick up an edge rusher. The Center doesn't change the play to a hot play when an all out blitz appears imminent. The Center doesn't tell the QB: "Hey, we have 5 blocking and they're rushing 7 so you better find that single coverage right away and get the ball out of your hand immediately or they're going to rip your head off".
There are times ahen a QB get knocked into the dirt when he has no one to blame but himself.
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Danielle, I want to be clear I wasn't saying Hank wasn't doing his job. I was simply stating he is the one to call the line audibles, not the QB. I was clearing up the misinformation. Hope that didn't come out as me placing any blame on Hank, as I saw him making calls and pointing several times.
You are fine! I know what you were saying! It came out right!! no worries, I was just letting people know what he is responsible for on the line. Its his job ( as well as the QB ) to see the blitz BEFORE it happens and change the (play call, QB) and blocking ( Hank ). The line actually does this well. Hank has said the line is not only good, but they are all smart.
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and if the QB doesn't change the play and the blitz comes then, yes , HE needs to get rid of the ball, but the supporting players need to SEE the blitz and either block, or get open on the hot route. There are plenty of times where you will see various players ( I won't name names ) miss important blocks.
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Just tell you hubby and the players to keep on...some of us know they are playing with a deck stacked against them.
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If you would read and comprehend what she's saying, Peen, she's not placing all the blame on Frye, either, as you and so many others have. She's saying that there's more than one person responsible for the problems. Too bad some that have an agenda aren't playing with a full deck, let alone stacked deck. 
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From what I'm getting out of it it's a combination of QB and receiver both not adjusting to the blitz and what routes to run.
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I have had you on ignore for a few months, but pulled this comment up.
I wasn't talking about Frye.
I was talking about the imbecile coach.
Back to the way it was.
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I know who you were talking about, but you have been slamming Frye. Isn't that same "imbecile" stacking the deck for Frye, too?
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How can the QB adjust to the blitz if the receiver doesn't?
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I know who you were talking about, but you have been slamming Frye. Isn't that same "imbecile" stacking the deck for Frye, too?
Ok....you are a good egg...I have you back.
Sure....but Frye was a different situation. You can still see bad players....
Anyway...I said it in another thread, I will say it here in short.
Being his hometown team had to add pressure on Charlie...I don't see any way it couldn't...then as things went down, he pressed, and then crumbled like he did last week.
I feel bad for the kid...I really do....but getting away from Cleveland is the best thing that could happen to him....he isn't like Joe J..an established guy, or Lebron who can screw up and still look great.
I hope the kid finds all he has in Seattle...and that is the truth.
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Well, I have gotten angry with you for the "bum" comments about him and I know it's because of my bias of knowing the kid.
You're right. Don't forget when Savage drafted Frye, he said that he would need time to develop. Then we throw him in there the first year.
I am glad we got Quinn and have said from day one he would be light years better than Frye. I just hate the way things turned out for him as this was his team and even as a backup, he would have been happy here. I hope he sits and learns and has a chance to improve those things he needs to.
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I thought our line looked great. I saw probably 2-3 times one tackle or the other got completely burned, but it's bound to happen. Still one of the best lines I've personally seen us have in a long time. I can probably count on one hand the number of times the QB had a full 5 seconds in the pocket last season.
BQ played with a pretty pathetic line at ND and did pretty well. I'm excited to see what he can do behind our line and some real offensive weapons.
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