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thought this article was really interesting:
BEREA, Ohio -- Genard Avery paused when he was asked his role on Tuesday after practice.
“A hybrid,” he said. “They can put me anywhere. Outside linebacker, middle linebacker, defensive end, just using me in many ways to help the defense.”
Avery is listed as a linebacker on the Browns roster. He wears a linebacker number. (Olivier Vernon might disagree on that point.) But if you came to training camp looking for him with the linebackers, you didn’t see him. He has spent most of his summer working with the defensive line.
“Genard is a versatile player,” linebackers coach Al Holcomb said. “For the most part he’s been working with the defensive line because, when he came out of college, his forte was as an edge defender. We have different roles for Genard in our defense, some things you may not see at this point in time.”
That last phrase, “this point in time,” is where things get interesting. Avery hasn’t been working at linebacker in camp and, even on Saturday night against the Colts when he dropped into coverage, he was doing it standing up from a defensive end position.
That doesn’t mean we won’t see him at linebacker. Avery’s role could vary based on matchup.
“In season, it will be like a game-type deal,” Avery said, “and wherever they want me within that week, I'll be practicing.”
There are some real options. Right now, he’s best suited to play end, even if his size isn’t quite end-like.
“When you're making plays, height don't matter,” he said. “If you're a playmaker, there's no height or nothing on sacks.”
He can slide inside at 3-technique.
“You're working your moves inside,” he said. “Those bigger guys can't move and whatnot, but I can, so it's an advantage.”
He can still play linebacker.
“I'm very versatile,” he said, “so wherever I can make plays at, they want to put me at each week, there I go.”
It’s about maximizing his strength.
“The No. 1 thing he does really well is rush the passer,” head coach Freddie Kitchens said, “and he does that off of effort and the ability to bend and things like that, which are all characteristics that we like in pass rushers.”
Pass rushing is what he continued to work on this offseason. He took part in Von Miller’s Pass Rush Summit back in June after Miller reached out to him on Instagram.
“It's an honor,” Avery said. “Somebody that you've been watching your whole life gives you a shoutout to come through. Obviously I'm doing something right.”
No matter where he plays, Avery’s strength is his energy level. He’s relentless going after the quarterback and chasing down runners.
“He gives tremendous effort to the ball, that’s one of his biggest attributes,” senior defensive assistant Chris Jones said. “(Defensive coordinator) Steve (Wilks) is a very creative guy, he’s going to be able to create packages and things of that nature to allow him to use his strength.”
One of those packages was on display during joint practices against the Colts in Indiana last week. Avery lined up on one end with Myles Garrett on the other. Vernon and Chris Smith lined up inside. That’s four defensive ends lined up across the front four.
When we’ll see that package during the season and how it will impact games isn’t known yet, but Avery’s answer about it sums up what to expect in the hybrid’s second year.
“You’re just going to have to see in the season,” Avery said. “It’s going to be pretty lit.”
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When camp opened I was wondering how they were going to play Avery.
I wrote a thread thinking they might use him in what I called a "a monster Linebacker". Meaning a rover position where he would line up in a bunch of positions. Off the ends, in a mike position but close to a gap.
Then as camp went on I read he was "pass rusher". And I was thinking ok. He rushes the passer very well. Very strong guy. A guy who can bend off the end and plays hard and fast. But I saw him drop into coverage before and he looked ok.
Anyway this article I thought was interesting. It proved that sometimes coaches will not show how they plan all their schemes during pre-season.
I think Avery is going to play a lot and I am super curious how they line him up and what he does.
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I liked how he flashed as a rookie.... I wasn't paying attention to the intricacies that he has to utilize play-to-play, but seemed good at getting after the ball. High motor, I suspect.
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I was under the assumption that he was going to be strictly a pass rusher this season as it was his strength ... then i thought he dropped in coverage in the last game? Of course it would be ideal to have him be as versatile as possible
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He took part in Von Miller’s Pass Rush Summit back in June after Miller reached out to him on Instagram.
“It's an honor,” Avery said. “Somebody that you've been watching your whole life gives you a shoutout to come through. Obviously I'm doing something right.”
Wow... Miller, Aaron Donald, Calais Campbell, Melvin Ingram... Pretty good company. Hope he soaked it up like a sponge.
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If all thats true .... dang are we gonna be good barring injuries .... good luck with that pass rush and those 3 corners and Randall in coverage ... the offensive coordinator’s gonna have nightmares right along with the defensive coordinators if Avery’s all that ... 
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So we sound like a clone of Polomalu (sp.?) where he can be lots of places doing various things.
I would love to see it.
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I think everyone is talking about this offense, not realizing that our Defense is probably the better the unit - which is pretty scary and fun to think.
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I think everyone is talking about this offense, not realizing that our Defense is probably the better the unit - which is pretty scary and fun to think. That's actually the best part of all this hype.. we could end up with a top 5 D and nobody seems to be paying any attention to it.., I like that
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I think everyone is talking about this offense, not realizing that our Defense is probably the better the unit - which is pretty scary and fun to think. I been preaching that since we aquired Shell and Vern ... that was before Greedy was literally gifted to us in rnd 2 ... This is gonna be FUN!!!!!! Been preaching that for while now too ... *L* ...
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If our defense turns out to be a better unit than our offense we’ll have a darned good season
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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That's actually the best part of all this hype.. we could end up with a top 5 D and nobody seems to be paying any attention to it.
That's because "they" are too busy talking about Baker and how Baker should conduct himself or how we have become an "arrogant" team.
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The Browns are doing the right thing with Avery. They can move him around some which is nice, and gives Wilks some flexibility. However, Avery's best and most valuable skill is rushing the passer, so it makes sense that is what he is focusing on.
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The Browns are doing the right thing with Avery. They can move him around some which is nice, and gives Wilks some flexibility. However, Avery's best and most valuable skill is rushing the passer, so it makes sense that is what he is focusing on. Agreed. When I was at camp and the O&B scrimmage he was playing mainly DE (rotating in and out w/Zettel). Keep in mind Vernon was injured. That said, I saw him as DE against Indy too.
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He is a guy I suspect we will see in a variety of alignments.
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I like Avery as an Edge rusher and not a coverage guy. I would like us to use him as a situational edge rusher in our rotation.
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One of those packages was on display during joint practices against the Colts in Indiana last week. Avery lined up on one end with Myles Garrett on the other. Vernon and Chris Smith lined up inside. That’s four defensive ends lined up across the front four.
Building the line as if they will be playing with a big lead. Smaller, faster lineman are good when the other team is forced to air it out a bunch because they are being blown out. This was like the Colts D's back in the Manning years. Really good as long as your offense scores early and frequently.
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From the pressers and interviews it sounds like they plan on using in more than one role.
What that ends up looking like I don't think we will know till the regular season.
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I wasn't making a prediction. Just giving my take on where I think he should play. Not that that means a helluva lot, but it is a message board.
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I listened to the Ward interview today and he made a statement when asked about the difference between last year and this year.
He said last year "we played a lot of man; and this year we have played more cover 3."
I don't think Wilks has shown his hand much.
Avery is a second year player. It is clear from listening to the coaches they like him. He plays all out. He is strong and quick. They show him as 6' 250 lbs. They know he can rush the passer.
But damn he looks heavier. I am guessing but I think he is 260 at least.
They get a good look at him daily.
He is one of those guys that when the season starts we could see him used in situation packages.
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Someone finally asked about Genard Avery! Defensive end Genard Avery has been a healthy scratch in five of six Browns games this season after he registered 4½ sacks and played every game for them last year as a rookie fifth-round pick.
Defensive coordinator Steve Wilks was asked to explain one of the greatest Browns mysteries of the season.
“I know there’s a lot of speculation out there,” Wilks said. “When you talk about 53 guys, if you guys [in the media] really want to help us out, you can petition to the league, I don’t know if it will work, to where you may get all 53 guys up on game day [instead of 46].
“When you look at the big picture, sometimes it equates special teams. Sometimes it’s not defense and what we’re trying to get done, it’s really the big picture of the team. Which guys are up? Who’s going to help out more on special teams? The rotation that week up front on defense, is it more of a running team, do we need more of a run-stopper in there?
“Genard brings a great skill set. I think he brings tremendous skill off the edge. He has ability to get to the quarterback and sometimes affect the quarterback in a positive way. We’ll see exactly what happens this week, who’s up, and I’m sure if he is, he’ll make a major impact in the game.”
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Someone finally asked about Genard Avery! Defensive end Genard Avery has been a healthy scratch in five of six Browns games this season after he registered 4½ sacks and played every game for them last year as a rookie fifth-round pick.
Defensive coordinator Steve Wilks was asked to explain one of the greatest Browns mysteries of the season.
“I know there’s a lot of speculation out there,” Wilks said. “When you talk about 53 guys, if you guys [in the media] really want to help us out, you can petition to the league, I don’t know if it will work, to where you may get all 53 guys up on game day [instead of 46].
“When you look at the big picture, sometimes it equates special teams. Sometimes it’s not defense and what we’re trying to get done, it’s really the big picture of the team. Which guys are up? Who’s going to help out more on special teams? The rotation that week up front on defense, is it more of a running team, do we need more of a run-stopper in there?
“Genard brings a great skill set. I think he brings tremendous skill off the edge. He has ability to get to the quarterback and sometimes affect the quarterback in a positive way. We’ll see exactly what happens this week, who’s up, and I’m sure if he is, he’ll make a major impact in the game.” I'm really concerned by Wilks comments. I wish our coaches would learn the art of not answering questions like all the other good coaches do.
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I don't see much of an answer there.
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Literally the only thing I miss about GW was how he rotated his players, giving guys a chance to show their talent on the field.
Gotta figure a way to get Avery on the field.
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I like Avery and have been disappointed in his lack of playing time ...
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Frankly I don't know what happened with Avery.
In camp they seemed high on his ability. I thought he might play a hybrid role. Rush LB/DE.
Apparently he got beat out by others. Maybe he is best suited in a 3-4?
My guess is he will be in package deal for another OL.
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Literally the only thing I miss about GW was how he rotated his players, giving guys a chance to show their talent on the field.
Gotta figure a way to get Avery on the field. We rotate our defensive linemen quite a bit, Avery just is let in the rotation.
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We only play two linebackers. It is stretching it to call Avery a linebacker at all. I don’t get why he isn’t playing instead of Chad Thomas.
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I agree w/this. I didn't like Avery as a coverage LBer. He started out rushing the passer and was forced into coverage by injuries to others. I thought he would thrive as a rotational edge rusher this year. Maybe he is a poor run defender and/or doesn't set the edge well on running plays? I don't know. I do believe he can get after the qb, though.
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As a rookie, in 2018, drafted in the 5th round, Avery was a "welcomed surprise" when he produced 4.5 sacks, 5 tackles for loss, 29 solo tackles and 1 forced fumble...and started only 5 games!
I believe it's past time for the media and fans to start asking questions of the Browns brass...DORSEY...what the hell is the story with Avery not playing?
If we are not going to play the guy...TRADE HIM !
My personal opinion...Avery is a "disrupter" for defense, something the defense could use.
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I agree w/this. I didn't like Avery as a coverage LBer. He started out rushing the passer and was forced into coverage by injuries to others. I thought he would thrive as a rotational edge rusher this year. Maybe he is a poor run defender and/or doesn't set the edge well on running plays? I don't know. I do believe he can get after the qb, though. The weird thing is that I thought that he set the edge better that most any of our defensive players last year.
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I agree with that assessment and I would add that he was very disruptive out there in a very good way.
I remember a lot of smiles in the pre-season thinking about Garret/Vernon/Avery getting after the QB.
Lastly, while I like Smith and Thomas well-enough, I don't recall seeing either of them do the kinds of things I saw last year from Avery.
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I agree with the last few posts. You can't have enough pass rushers especially against top QB's. The best D against the pass is pressure on the QB. I don't know why Avery is not playing but we could use him especially this week.
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I understand the depth chart shows Avery behind Vernon and Chris Smith but so far in 6 games, Vernon has 1 sack and 11 tackles while Chris Smith has done nothing.
It just doesn't make sense ! !
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I agree w/this. I didn't like Avery as a coverage LBer. He started out rushing the passer and was forced into coverage by injuries to others. I thought he would thrive as a rotational edge rusher this year. Maybe he is a poor run defender and/or doesn't set the edge well on running plays? I don't know. I do believe he can get after the qb, though. The weird thing is that I thought that he set the edge better that most any of our defensive players last year. He may have. I wasn't sure and was just speculating on why he can't see the field.
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As a rookie, in 2018, drafted in the 5th round, Avery was a "welcomed surprise" when he produced 4.5 sacks, 5 tackles for loss, 29 solo tackles and 1 forced fumble...and started only 5 games!
I believe it's past time for the media and fans to start asking questions of the Browns brass...DORSEY...what the hell is the story with Avery not playing?
If we are not going to play the guy...TRADE HIM !
My personal opinion...Avery is a "disrupter" for defense, something the defense could use. Something is telling me that Dorsey is asking these questions to the coaching staff as well. It sounds like Freddie is in over his head and trying to be the next BB and over control everything.
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As a rookie, in 2018, drafted in the 5th round, Avery was a "welcomed surprise" when he produced 4.5 sacks, 5 tackles for loss, 29 solo tackles and 1 forced fumble...and started only 5 games!
I believe it's past time for the media and fans to start asking questions of the Browns brass...DORSEY...what the hell is the story with Avery not playing?
If we are not going to play the guy...TRADE HIM !
My personal opinion...Avery is a "disrupter" for defense, something the defense could use. Something is telling me that Dorsey is asking these questions to the coaching staff as well. It sounds like Freddie is in over his head and trying to be the next BB and over control everything.
It may be Dorsey who insists that Vernon play to see if he worth the investment.
Avery needs to get a chance to show what he is capable of, imo.
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Come on mac, you know when he posts it all has to be about Freddie.
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As a rookie, in 2018, drafted in the 5th round, Avery was a "welcomed surprise" when he produced 4.5 sacks, 5 tackles for loss, 29 solo tackles and 1 forced fumble...and started only 5 games!
I believe it's past time for the media and fans to start asking questions of the Browns brass...DORSEY...what the hell is the story with Avery not playing?
If we are not going to play the guy...TRADE HIM !
My personal opinion...Avery is a "disrupter" for defense, something the defense could use. Something is telling me that Dorsey is asking these questions to the coaching staff as well. It sounds like Freddie is in over his head and trying to be the next BB and over control everything. Yeah, im sure Wilkes has no say who is in and out of his matchups and defensive gameplan……. dude, get off it.
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