DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Let's Get Real About Mass Shootings Here....

Yeah. I mean if people wish to show some sense of outrage, there's plenty of things in real life to be outraged about rather than some fictitious movie.

Florida white supremacist arrested for threatening shooting at Walmart, police say

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/florida-white-...topstories.html

Look, it’s important, but I kinda stopped reading after “a Florida....”

1. Push through the red flag laws already approved and activate them immediately using executive order.

2. Reenact the assault rifle ban using executive order.

3. Make hate crimes against minorities and religions an act of terrorism and punished as such.

4. All hate groups such as the KKK, antifa, skinheads and others who acts of violence in the name of white supremacy, fascist, racist inclinations would be deemed a domestic terrorist group who’s members could be put to death.

I don't know if we will ever know the plot line of the movie.

I have heard a couple variations, some democrats shooting repbulicans, to hunting other people as "sport." To me, rich verus poor. Either way, it is a terrible idea.

Then again, I remember Deliverance, and dueling banjos has never been the same.

"Florida Man..."

So just watching Trump say we don't have a gun problem after backing off of new gun laws, bashing dems and the squad, mad at denmark, and the dilyal jews... Then he expounded on hate groups condemn Antifa and saying he thinks they should be labeled as terrorist... what about the white supremacist terror organizations antifa was created to combat? NADA, ZIP, ZILCH on those groups just another line about antifa being really violent and bad...

There is not a day that goes by where this ass does not do something to add to his worst president in history status.

Antifa stood up to racist and Nazi's in Charlottesville. They stood up to them again last week-end in Portland. I support people standing up to Nazi's and racists.

It seems Trump and a lot of his supporters do not share that sentiment. Am I surprised by that? Not one bit.

NRA put Trump back on his leash so there will be no gun control regs now.

How's come no one is saying AOC is responsible inciting the violence against ICE facilities with her rhetoric? Or does that not matter because its not trump?

So in your opinion, a freshman house rep has the same status, power, and influence as the president of the United States?

Man I must be doing it all wrong then. Need to get into politics ASAP.

We weren't talking about trump. But since you want to go there.

Why isn't Trump calling groups like the Proud Boys terrorists but is calling Antifa terrorists?

Nice deflection, but you didn't answer my question.

Really?

I did answer your question. Read it again.

AOC doesn’t possess nearly the influence that a freaking POTUS does. She also didn’t directly call for violence against ICE.

Calling for the abolishment of a federal agency isn’t inciting violence. Unless you have video of her encouraging the beating of a protester and claiming to cover the legal bill that we aren’t aware of?

Do you support Antifa standing up against Nazi's and white supremacists?

Trump actually called them terrorists. I stand by my statements.

So answer to inciting attacks on ICE facilities is "well she's not the president".....

Your sentence is telling enough. Come on man, your starting to sound people sticking up for some of the things Trumps says. "well she didn't REALLLLLY mean THAT."

I have called Trump out on things, you know I have. I think the way he handed Dayton shooting was despicable, gleaming and smiling with a thumbs up for the camera in a photo with the victims parents....was well, classless.

Calling them concentration camps, and then days later they are attacked is the same crap you guys bash trump for doing, and in cases rightfully so. If you cant see that, Idk what to tell you.

I don't support violence on either side. They are both terrorist groups. Why would you support violence against anyone?

Also, I see you skirted around the fact one post ago you were talking about trump, then the next post "we aren't talking about trump" lol.

No it’s not. I’ve looked through AOCs comments and she’s not inciting violence whatsoever. You’re reaching hard here bro. Super hard.

Superior hard.

Extra hard.

Under Trump ICE has become glorified jackbooted stormtroopers. I must have missed the reports about all the deaths at those ICE facilities unlike those at the border or those resulting from deportations.

Saying a government agency should be done away with isn't calling for violence.

Saying you'll pay the legal bills if your supporters commit violence against others, is.

5 shot dead in Texas after gunman allegedly fired at officer then fled: Police

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/gunman-large-h...topstories.html

really sad but was only a matter of time before this thread got updated.

I'm surprised it took 3 weeks.




3 weeks.




damn.

Shoot, [no pun intended] but there have been other shootings since the last one we talked about and at least a couple more that were thwarted.

We are becoming immune to it.

A lot of us disagree on how to address this epidemic and perhaps that is part of the problem?

I think that there are multiple issues that need addressed. There is no one true solution. Changes need to make and folks need to stop the agenda BS and let's come together to help improve things.

And while I am on my soapbox, I gotta say that I become infuriated w/politicians who use shootings to try and further their political career and could give a rat's ass about solving the freaking problem!

Out.

Leas than 24 hours before Texas shooting...

That bit about politicians points to both sides of the isle. Dems all running on control laws because a majority of Americans want common sense gun control, but nobody can decide what the hell 'common sense' means. Then on the right you have politicians taking big donations from the gun lobbyist and protecting the manufacturing and selling of guns in the name of the second amendment. They care way more about the money than the amendment.

I personally think they should just find a way to treat guns like Schedule II drugs since it has become as big an epidemic as heroin. Except big pharma still found a way to addict and kill americans... so there's that.

You must have forgotten the daily shootings in places like Chicago, Baltimore and other cities the press doesn't care about.

Not really.

I don't ever forget them. They are part of the local news wallpaper of every city in America, all the time. Those are shootings of a different sort. The kind America's been immune to for decades. Random daily acts of local violence are part of the daily background noise from sea to shining sea. They will never get the headlines that multiple deaths in one outing will bring.

There is plenty of coverage of these types of shootings. That coverage is local/regional in nature, because it's woven into America's fabric. 'Ordinary death counts' aren't national news.

Which sucks on top of the spectacular, mass-body-count type 'designer gun violence,' don't you think?


Anyway, I was still surprised that we were lucky enough to have 3 weeks. Like Swish said- it was only a matter of time.
We used to clock these events by the year. Now, we do it by the month.

Our society is not well.

I was reading a news story this morning and something jumped out.
It said that the subject in Texas shooting was well known to police and according to a police source this was a planned out attack

A shooting rampage that left 4 dead started with a traffic stop in West Texas

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/odessa-texas-shooting-sunday/index.html

Another day another shooting spree... but Texas just relaxed gun laws so that should help. smfh

Texas loosens firearm laws hours after the state's latest mass shooting left five dead

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/01/us/texas-new-gun-laws-trnd/index.html

You can't make this crap up.

White Isis bro. And they double down by supporting their deplorable culture. Pfft the trump era.

God Bless the Officers of Law Enforcement who dash in, putting an end to the shooting and the shooter while others flee in panic.

They risk everything to protect the rest of us.

Hats off to them all.

Its a mental and society problem more than anything.

Guns have always been present in our country and that's never going to change. So then its natural to as yourself the question what has changed? The people and the society. Guns have been manufactured for a long long time including AR's, rifles, and mostly the same type of magazines we have today.

So again, the guns haven't changed very much within the past 100 years. New ones were introduced in the 50's including the AR series. The thing that I don't understand is people seeing mass shooting as some sort of a weird outlet or way out if they are mentally ill. I'm not lie that so maybe that's why its hard to understand but it would seem you have one category of people who are just crazy nuts, suicidal, and instead of taking their own life they decided to do a mass shooting. I'm not sure in their view what they thin that accomplishes. Maybe its them killing themselves and taking out their revenge upon society and others who have done them wrong over the course of their life, who knows really.

In the other category you have people who appear to have a different degree of mental illness, racism, or hate against a certain group of people. There are hundreds of fringe or domestic terrorist groups in the US, I'm not sure how much you can stop that. I know the FBI has a whole department devoted to it.

One thing I do NOT believe is right in solving the problem is acting hastily in regards to rights that were spoke of in the constitution. No other citizens in any country in the world has the rights that people in the US have. We have the 2nd amendment as a choice whether or not to own a weapon, to have it in order to protect yourself again people who mean you harm, protect yourself from potential government tyranny or unjust laws. Personally I'd like to keep that and doing away or curtailing those rights isn't the thing to do in my opinion.

I believe the answer lies somewhere in the middle. I support universal background checks. Just to note, this already happens when you buy an arm at a licensed fire arm dealer or online. You can't buy a gun online and have it shipped to your house, or you're not supposed to be able to. Several years ago I shopped online for one, bought it, and discovered it was to be shipped to a local store and would take about 3 - 4 days to get there while a background check happened and sure, that was fine. I'm sure though, there are places on the deep web or private sales that will be impossible to have a background check. You cannot prevent that and never will.

I don't only want to talk about mass shootings, which I believe mental illness is part of the cause for, but need to address shootings that happen every day in Chicago and other cities. You can have ALL the background checks in the world in place, laws, etc, but people who don't care about laws won't follow them and get weapons anywhere. YOU CANNOT AND WILL NOT EVER PREVENT THAT by traditional methods. I believe you'd be able to lessen the number of these shootings by trying to change the circumstances of the societies that these people live in. That won't be a quick endeavor either and it will only change if the proper policies are put into place to address and encourage the family unit, the household, more education and job opportunities. I would think that if people in the inner cities had good opportunities then they wouldn't resort to crime and dealing drugs or joining gangs, leading to less shooting and violence, that's what I would hope for anyway.

The only problem with the above plan is that the community, city, state, and federal leaders have to be in lock step with one another. I would want to create programs to address the inner city problems and try and do something about them. LBJ started the so-called "war on poverty." When coming up with new plans I would initiate an examination starting in the 60's until now what worked with that effort and what didn't.

I agree with you about the Constitution to an extent. But I think we need to keep in mind that the same document made slavery legal. The Constitution has never been a perfect document.

One thing that's helped add to this problem is the compete tear down of our mental institutions......

Deinstitutionalization of People with Mental Illness: Causes and Consequences

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/art...quences/2013-10

And while I'm not sure if you'll agree, having a president who consistently attacks brown people does help embolden those on the fringe and certainly doesn't help the situation. A president is supposed to work to help unite a nation, not divide it.

Those are only two points and those points alone will certainly not solve the situation. But we have to start somewhere.

Thoughts and prayers. And may god bless is all we have. There is nothing else we can do. Pfffft .

"And while I'm not sure if you'll agree, having a president who consistently attacks brown people does help embolden those on the fringe and certainly doesn't help the situation."

Care to elaborate EXACTLY when and how brown people are consistently attacked by the POTUS?

"They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

During a rally in May in Panama City Beach, Florida, Trump spoke about the border patrol agents working to stop migrants from crossing the border illegally. When he asked the crowd, "How do you stop these people?" one rally attendee shouted, "Shoot them." At first laughing, Trump responded, "That's only in the [Florida] panhandle, can you get away with that statement."

When asked in July whether he is concerned that his tweets about four Democratic congresswomen of color were seen as racist and that white nationalist groups are finding common cause with him, Trump said, "It doesn't concern me because many people agree with me."

Trump has described migrants from Central and South America, many of whom are seeking asylum from violence in their home countries, as criminals, gang members and rapists. But since as early as October last year, he's repeatedly described their attempts to cross the U.S.-Mexico border as an "invasion."

"Many Gang Members and some very bad people are mixed into the Caravan heading to our Southern Border. Please go back, you will not be admitted into the United States unless you go through the legal process," Trump wrote on Twitter on Oct. 29, 2018. "This is an invasion of our Country and our Military is waiting for you!"

"I just got back [from the southern border] and it is a far worse situation than almost anyone would understand, an invasion!" he wrote in January.

When you say things like these people are invaders, criminals, rapists and drug dealers, it helps inspire those in the fringe to action. At some point even his supporters should make him accountable for the bat crap crazy things he says.

When people are constantly told they are terrible people, occasionally they believe it.

Black and proud- Cool.
LGBTQ and proud- Right on.
Latino and proud- Okay.

White/Straight and proud- how horrible.

One of the many mixed messages we send as a society.

It doesn't excuse horrible acts, but being told you can't be proud of what you are is at the heart of almost every rebellion throughout history.

How can a majority be oppressed? When power is held by a few and it benefits them for those beneath them to be at odds, so they all don't realize they are being played.

Anger is misdirected and loosed indiscriminately. People can do crazy things so as to not feel powerless.

And yet, the "powerless" continue to blame each other instead of the systems that keep them in such a state.

Yes, we're a "democracy" and get to vote, but the choices presented are given largely by those in power.

Congress votes on their own raises, not the people.


...Sorry, I'm feeling particularly world weary today.