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Both sitting and not sitting players works.

Andy Reid plays his guys a lot in the preseason, here is week three from the 2018 preseason for the Chiefs:

https://tinyurl.com/y6plonac

Most of their top players played a significant portion of the game.

Here is week three from the 2018 preseason for the Rams:

https://tinyurl.com/y2c4gouy

Not one player of significance even took one snap.

The lovely MKC mentioned to the fans at TC today that she doubts players, like Baker, Chubb, Jarvis, OBJ, Myles, Ward etc... will play in this (3rd) preseason game.

The bottomline is this -- know your team.

Of course. No need to follow the status quo.

Yep ... I always view coaching as being a jockey. Every horse is different and nobody knows the horse like the jockey. If you have to ease up for best results you do it .. or vice versa.

Freddies with these guys everyday ... he knows what he’s doing and he knows what HIS TEAM NEEDS ... I trust Freddie and am not going to second guess him over the amount of time he plays his starters in this or any other pre-season game ....

They’ve had a tough physical camp .. Freddies put them in tough situations throughout to prepare then as best they can ... he PREPARED them for the last 3 weeks ... IF playing a half this weeks gonna make or break how we come out in week 1 ... Freddie has not done his job ....

No one knows this team better than Freddie ... and i mean NO ONE ...

FREDDIE IS READY ...

So you are going to ridicule anyone who dares to question Freddie because you know he is ready.

Look, I am not saying that this will be a mistake. I am saying it could be a mistake. I don't think anyone is making a big deal about it, but it is worth discussing w/out you acting like we are clueless.

Btw----------can you provide some examples that show successful examples of Freddie preparing his team for the season while be the head coach of that team?

Heck my point was much simpler than any of that. We both know the HC ends up being the fall guy for anything and everything that can or does possibly goes wrong.

My point is that it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation.

If you play your starters for the first half or a little longer and you have injuries occur to your starters, many fans will be like, "Why the hell did he have them out there!?"

If you don't play them in game three and they don't come out firing on all cylinders many fans will be like, "Why the hell didn't he play them in game three!? We have so many new players they should have gotten more work together!"

We've seen it far too often around here.

I didn't know that was funny. But the previous poster had brought up one of the scenarios and I simply brought up the other one where Freddie may end up taking flack no matter which decision he makes.

In our first game we will be facing the titans defense. That's no joke.

Well, that was just silly...

That said, I'm also a little curious that Freddie doesn't feel the need to get his starters in a truer game environment. There's lots of new people, and more importantly, there are new coordinators and systems (I'm talking more about the D than the O, here). In the end, Freddie has the best feel for how the team is coming along...

Also, maybe the offense gelling is just something that would take longer than the duration of TC and preseason, so he's just kinda like, "screw it, might as well prevent injuries and work on this during the season, since it'll take that long anyway". I dunno. I gotta just trust in Freddie, because that's who Dorsey picked to coach the team.

The last line pretty much is where I'm at.

I don't think it was silly. It's not as silly as claiming folks can't judge his moves because "Freddie is Ready" and is a guaranteed great coach.

Look, I'm NOT saying that resting all the starters is a bad idea. I'm saying that we have a lot of new pieces and that the speed of game-action is never matched in NFL practices. Dudes are almost always going 3/4 speed or less and most of the time, guys are not tackling guys to the ground, thus they ease up even in pass defense. Timing is critical to a team's success.

We might not miss a beat and come out firing. However, if the team gets off to a shaky start and some of the guys are not on the same page, then Freddie will be questioned.

I don't think that is absurd. I don't think it's silly. I don't think it's hilarious. It's just football talk.

You asked for examples of a guy making a certain decision as a head coach that's never been a HC before. There are no examples, simply because he's never been a HC. That IS silly. If you did that unintentionally, then it was unintentionally silly.

Aside from that, I actually completely agree with you. The only potential explanation I can come up with was my guess that the gelling process was going to stretch into the regular season regardless... and he's chosen to take his lumps in the interest of getting all his players to week 1 healthy.

I am going to reply to you one last time to say what I said was not silly if you take it in the intended context.

Diam is acting/saying like Freddie can't be questioned. He is acting like he is already a great HC. Do you comprehend that?

Thus, I brought up the point that the dude has no HC experience, so it is "silly" to pretend that he is a great HC and can't be questioned.

Get it?

If not.........LOL........I'm done either way. Y'all blow my mind more often than not.

Eh, I think Freddie is acting like he IS the head coach, which, coincidentally, he is.

I really have no idea how your quote relates to what I was saying. Seriously. I don't.

Of course he is the HC. Of course, he has the right to choose how he approaches things. It's his team.

I am simply saying that he has not been a HC before, thus I think Diam is off-base when he acts like Freddie can't be questioned regarding his strategy.

Hell, I am not even saying it is the wrong strategy. Things get so turned around on this board. I AM SAYING that if the team gets off to a slow start that he will be questioned. That isn't a hysterically stupid statement. I yi yi yi.

All right, bro. I see the game you are playing. Just remember, you started it.

Anyone remember this headline?



I don't know.......but one might read that and think that they are not on the same page at this point in time. Yet, some think that it is hysterically funny to wonder if them playing about a half in a preseason game is a good idea.

I'm indifferent about seeing the true starters play in Game 3. I'd love to see them play just for the sake of it, as it of course would give us some indication of how the offense is coming along in real time. However, if they don't play, I don't think its gonna be a deal breaker as to any additional chemistry it may create as we start the regular season.

I'm on the side of playing it more safe than sorry, which also gives me a chance to say I don't think the NFL needs 4 preseason games. Max 3, but 2 is ideal. It'll suck for the guys on the bubble, but it is what it is.

I would say 3 is good.. first one the proposed starters get a series or two then the backups play the rest of the game to try to earn more time... second one starters get more of the first half and anybody who is rising gets some reps with the 1s... by the third one your top 40+ spots are set so starters rest and everybody agrees it's just back-ups who are fighting for spots on the team (or another team)..

As far as charging full price for any of these games.. c'mon man...

I have to admit though, I hope the starters play a while in this game since I'm going...

George Halas wasn't a head coach, until he was

Bill Belichick wasn't a head coach, until he was

Paul Brown wasn't a head coach, until he was

Hue Jackson wasn't a head coach,until he was

Point being, it's virtually impossible to say who will shine and who will fade.

Yes, that was my point.

There seems to be an echo in here. Is the lovely MKC invited to the Island? I think MG is sick? They all sit according to her. Quite a list.

If she’s a dawg ... she’s invited ... ALL DAWGS WELCOME ...

In 1955, the Browns played 6 preseason games.

Browns lost 5 of them. They went 1-5 in the preseason.

Then won the 1955 NFL Championship.

6 preseason games seems a bit much lol

Yeah, no kiddin'.

That was half as long as the regular season. (the regular season back then was only 12 games - The Browns went 9-2-1)

Well, Freddie said the starters are going to play against Tampa Bay and not play in the final preseason game.

I said i’d trust whatever he did ... yet for some reason your claiming victory ...

but what should i expect from u at this point ... you’ve put words in my mouth the entire thread ... and that was just from reading your replies to others .. this is the first reply you’ve made directly to me i’ve read .. can’t imagine how classy u were in your replies to me ...

good job ...

No Diam. You started this. Laughing hysterically because some of us said Freddie might get questioned. Pretending that Freddie can't be questioned. You replied to me w/your hysterical laughing emoji. Multiple times. Now, you are playing victim.

What kind of response do you expect from several of these..... ... as your only reply to others?

That is a lot, but in those days players camp to camp after leaving the job of driving cabs or working in a car lot.

They did need the training and practice.

I liked purp’s the best ... it made me ...

and his 2nd one was even better ...

I was just saying that when it appears that you're openly mocking others without offering any actual input, you have to expect some snarky responses.

You've been around long enough to know that. I don't care how you post or what you post. I don't try to be the board police that way. You're a lot like me to the point that you really don't give a damn what other people think about what you post.

I'm just sayin'

Truth.

There isn't much to debate with it. I only care that we come out ready to play Week 1; I do not care at all what it takes for that to happen.

Yes, I want to see what this team looks like and full strength and I'm tired of waiting for that, but I don't need to see it... but, I do need them to be fully up to speed Week 1.