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I really think that the coaches were looking at who could win 1:1 WR battles last week vs. TB. We were playing very vanilla and running very predictable routes to see if our bubble guys would win 1:1.

I don't think anyone really did well on that front vs. TB but I remember Strong dropping at least two passes that were catch able. Out of the 5 or 6 passes that hit a WR or TE's hands, i'd say 4-5 were catch able. When you think about it, Strong is really a clone of Higgins but with worse hands and less speed.

Beckham
Landry
Higgins
Callaway
Willies
[Ratley]

I completely disagree w/that take. I mean............I can't disagree more.

Vanilla offense? What? We were running a ton of empty backfield and stacking receivers. That isn't vanilla. LOL

I yi yi yi........you guys. I better go to bed because y'all are off the hook tonight in your defense mode.

Not going to lie, I've always been a Strong pimp...so it's probably biased to a degree. But I was shocked to see we released him...I know hes not a burner, he never was...But he has a lot of good traits, and I think hes better than anyone besides OBJ, Jarvis, and Higgins...hope he catches on somewhere, Giants could use him.

Lots of debate over a dime a dozen player.

JMO

J/c

When I hear a WR that plays ST’s, I assume it means coverages ... like being a gunner, covering kickoffs, blocking for kickoffs, etc ... and I don’t know if Strong was refusing to do those things... he probably just wasn’t as good

Oddly, he's still on the depth chart they released yesterday? And Dean is not!..

But yeah, it sounds like he's gone. I thought he seemed like a good pick up.

That's because some random social media intern creates those irrelevant lists, not Kitchens or Dorsey.

If you are speaking of the depth chart, I got it off the Browns site....

Yes. Yes I am.

Well, then it if was some random social media intern, he works for the Browns,,, I can't imagine an employee of the browns putting that out without approval..

Having said that, yeah, it's pretty meaningless... in a week, roughly half of those listed will be gone.

I am sure the Browns put it out.

Maybe they had to put it out before talking to Strong? I think the league makes depth charts mandatory.

Maybe they made the chart the night before for next day release?

ok,if only 4,
Beckham
Landry
Callaway and
Higgans,

if only 5,
Beckahm
Landry
Callaway
Higgans, and
Braxton Miller

If only 6,
Beckham,
Landry
Callaway
Higgans
Braxton Miller
Willies

If only adding in a Special teams return spot
Beckham
Landry
Callaway
Higgans
Braxton Mller
Willies,
and Sheehy Guiseppe

Callaway is suspended, so no reason not to keep 6 with Guiseppe around for returns,

That would be my list.

Sorry man, Ratley makes the team.

He has already impressed.

You can't hold it against him because he was injured. I like him better than Willies, and for sure over the Guiseppi.

I don't hold many roster spots for returners who rarely get to return.

Who was the safety we had 4-5 years ago? Maybe played at Miami(fins), Jim something I think...just give me sure hands on punts. I don't give a squat about returns.


Jim Leonard, maybe?

when the fans are complaining about the #5 or #6 receiver on the roster... you know you actually have a good team.

bwaaa, I guess we've had a good team since 1999

Haha yeah true, I mean we all cared about Frisman Jackson

The only issue I see with that thinking is that DeValve can't see to stay healthy ...

Exactly .. I know some guys just have bad luck or whatever, but I can’t remember the last time he’s stayed healthy for a few games in a row

Always liked Devalves potential but too many injuries ...

I like DeValve. He has really good hands.

The thing about injuries is he may never have another.

At least six roster spots up for grabs in Browns preseason finale


TONY GROSSI
ESPN Cleveland
4:20 PM ET4 Minute Read
Editor's note: Tony Grossi covers the Cleveland Browns for 850 ESPN Cleveland.


The Browns’ fourth preseason game against the Detroit Lions is all about evaluating the remaining half-dozen or so roster spots available – and staying healthy.

According to our roster projections, 47 of the 53 spots are virtually locked. That leaves six spots open.

There is the chance that a few of the last names on our “projected makes” list can stumble and lose their spots. A week ago, everyone thought Jaelen Strong had tucked away a receiver spot, and then he was waived after a tough night in Tampa.

There is also the possibility that those who squeeze into the last spots on the 53-player cut on Saturday could be bumped out by the inevitable flurry of waiver pickups in the wake of league cutdowns. That’s why this isn’t the “final” cut. It’s more like the first cut.

Think about it: Almost 1,200 players will be cut on Friday and Saturday. Certainly a few could appeal to GM John Dorsey and his football ops department.

There is also the very real possibility of Dorsey swinging a trade or two to fortify a problem position. It wouldn’t surprise anybody if Dorsey trades for an offensive lineman – guard or tackle – and a tight end.

Going into the last practice game, here is how we see the Browns’ roster shaking out:

Quarterbacks (3)

Projected makes: Baker Mayfield, Drew Stanton, Garrett Gilbert.

Out: David Blough.

What can happen: Gilbert may play the first half against the Lions and Blough the second half. If Blough continues to perform well, he could win a place on an NFL practice squad.

Running backs (3)

Projected makes: Nick Chubb, D’Ernest Johnson, Dontrell Hilliard.

Bubble: A.J. Ouellette, Trayone Gray, Joe Kerridge.

Suspension bound: Kareem Hunt.

What could happen: I thought Kerridge had a decent shot, but he has been imprisoned in concussion protocol for two weeks. If the right fullback became available, I could see the Browns using a fullback rather than a third tight end in short-yardage blocking.

Wide receivers (5)

Projected makes: Odell Beckham Jr., Jarvis Landry, Rashard Higgins, Derrick Willies, Damion Ratley.

Bubble: Braxton Miller, Dorian Baker, Ishmael Hyman, Damon Sheehy-Guiseppi.

Suspension bound: Antonio Callaway.

What could happen: This is set up for the multifaceted Miller to claim the final spot. All he needs is a good night. If he doesn’t have it, a new receiver via waivers is possible. Sheehy probably would have to play lights-out at receiver and take another punt to the house to earn a spot. Which is too bad because he is the only returner with explosiveness.

Tight ends (2)

Projected makes: David Njoku, Demetrius Harris.

Bubble: Seth DeValve, Pharaoh Brown, Rico Gathers, Stephen Carlson.

What could happen: DeValve reinvention as an emergency blocking back improves his value. My hunch is Dorsey & Co. will be looking at Indianapolis’ roster cuts at tight end.

Offensive linemen (8)

Projected makes: Greg Robinson, Joel Bitonio, JC Tretter, Eric Kush, Chris Hubbard, Kendall Lamm, Austin Corbett, Drew Forbes.

Bubble: Bryan Witzmann, Willie Wright, Kyle Kalis, Brad Seaton, Travis Vornkahl, Brian Fineanganofo.

What could happen: Clearly, the Browns are not overjoyed about the way the right guard competition has gone. I wouldn’t be surprised if Dorsey claims a guard and has line coach James Campen coach him up as the starter. Or, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dorsey claims a tackle and Hubbard, or Robinson, gets moved to right guard. Or, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kush heads into the season as the right guard.

Defensive linemen (7)

Projected makes: Myles Garrett, Larry Ogunjobi, Sheldon Richardson, Olivier Vernon, Chris Smith, Devaroe Lawrence, Chad Thomas.

Bubble: Trevon Coley, Carl Davis, Anthony Zettel, Brian Price, Daniel Ekuale, Wyatt Ray, Brandin Bryant, Jarrell Owens.

What could happen: If you consider linebacker Genard Avery as a situational end, a tackle might be the only opening here.

Linebackers (7)

Projected makes: Christian Kirksey, Joe Schobert, Adarius Thomas, Mack Wilson, Sione Takitaki, Genard Avery, Ray-Ray Armstrong.

Bubble: Willie Harvey, Dedrick Young, Anthony Stubbs.

What could happen: This group is pretty much set.

Cornerbacks (4)

Projected makes: Denzel Ward, Terrance Mitchell, Greedy Williams, T.J. Carrie.

Bubble: Tavierre Thomas, Lenzy Pipkins, Phillip Gaines, Robert Jackson, Donnie Lewis.

What could happen: All cornerbacks on the bubble have had their moments. Because of the versatility of Randall, Murray and Whitehead to play cornerback in a pinch, it’s possible only four natural corners make it.

Safeties (5)

Projected makes: Damarious Randall, Morgan Burnett, Eric Murray, Jermaine Whitehead, Sheldrick Redwine.

Bubble: Juston Burris, J.T. Hassell, Montrel Meander, Tigie Sankoh.

What could happen: This sneakily has become a very strong position group. They may add another – or two – to the mix.

Specialists (3)

Projected makes: Charley Hughlette, Britton Colquitt, Austin Seibert.

Bubble: Greg Joseph, Jamie Gillan.

What could happen: The coaches might want to see Seibert make a field goal in FirstEnergy Stadium to add to his confidence heading into the season. With at least four other teams having kicking problems, Joseph is auditioning for other jobs. Gillan, too.


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I think it’s a cop out for Grossi to put “bubble” guys here lol ... i mean, just make your prediction based on your own info, observations, reporting, etc. All of us know the bubble dudes.

Is it crazy for me to think it's unlikely we keep 7 linebackers? I get that Avery might be more relied on as a DE but I would think we'd go thinner here and beef up the secondary roster.

Meh.

I agree .. especially with us only playing 2 at a time in a lot of spots

I think Adarius Thomas is a potential cut. I haven't seen anything that shows me that the rookies/young guns are a significant drop off versus him when we roll with 3 LB. I think Avery has his number.

Avery should be considered strictly an edge player. Taylor (not Adalius Thomas) was signed as a special teamer and on the rare occurrences we have had three linebackers on the field he was the third linebacker.

With all that said, I think we only keep one of him and Ray-Ray Armstrong. It's hard to have two guys active on Sundays that should not be on the field during defensive plays. I think Mack Wilson or Sione Takitaki can easily slide in for him if we need a third linebacker.

ok....

The team announced the trade just hours before the start of their preseason finale.

Teller, whom Buffalo selected in the fifth round of the 2018 NFL Draft, took over as the Bills’ starting left guard midway through his rookie season. He started seven games for Buffalo in the 2018 campaign, often failing to stand out on a line that struggled mightily throughout the year.

The Bills revamped their offensive line in the offseason, bringing in 11 new linemen through free agency and the draft. Teller was expected to compete for a starting job throughout the summer, but he quickly fell behind the likes of Quinton Spain, Spencer Long, and Jon Feliciano.

Oh Kevin, where art thou?

That seems like more than you would want to give up for a backup guard.

It does.

We shall see.

56.1 rating on PFF
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/wyatt-teller/46131

To his credit, he played a ton of snaps in 2018.

that certainly is not what i would expect ... seems like a lot to give up for a guy who basically hasn’t shown much

1) Not surprised to see an o-line move.
2) Glad we didn't give up the farm for one of the 2 savior LT's
3) Still worried about the o-line.
4) expecting another signing after roster cut downs.

Ditto your 4 pts, the front office and head coach stated the roster isn't complete.....guess the 32 pick ain't anything special...no one bats a thousand.....GO Browns!!!!